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Posted: 6/1/2010 3:54:09 PM
So this thread has really opened my eyes to some new fun options. A local shop that has always taken good care of me always has a 9mm sbr upper that looks so tempting...I think I might have them build one with a 7 inch quad rail and 7inch barrel in 9mm for some cheap range running and take care of the NFA paperwork later so that I can add a stock and vertical grip. :)
They're a wealth of knowledge but I'll ask an NFA dealer about the legalities here in TX. The fun show is coming this saturday so I'll post some updates then! |
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Posted: 6/1/2010 5:43:18 PM
Its not an NFA item if you get a pistol lower before you buy the upper. Just get the pistol lower first. Then you can worry about the NFA stuff later [speaking as one who has a pistol lower, a rifle lower, and never the uppers of the twain shall meet]
Only fly in the ointment is if you want to do a form 1 for the NFA and your local CLEO is like mine...won't sign off cause he thinks it will increase crime in his area [douch!] If thats the case, you will have to do a form 4 and get a trust to bypass the CLEO signoff. |
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Posted: 6/15/2010 12:42:08 PM
Originally Posted By coolhand77:
Its not an NFA item if you get a pistol lower before you buy the upper. Just get the pistol lower first. Then you can worry about the NFA stuff later [speaking as one who has a pistol lower, a rifle lower, and never the uppers of the twain shall meet] Only fly in the ointment is if you want to do a form 1 for the NFA and your local CLEO is like mine...won't sign off cause he thinks it will increase crime in his area [douch!] If thats the case, you will have to do a form 4 and get a trust to bypass the CLEO signoff. You must be from WA! Yup, I plan on going the same route. Rep at J&T has been pretty persuasive about their pistol, and the price is definitely right. May even take it the AOW route eventually w/ a foregrip....at least until I move to a more NFA/SBR friendly state. (can't beat the $5 transfer fee  ) |
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Posted: 10/24/2010 6:42:01 PM
wow what a source thread of info! thanks
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Posted: 10/24/2010 7:57:31 PM
[Last Edit: 10/24/2010 10:23:13 PM by Functional]
I just purchased a Rock River LAR-15 pistol 10.5". It will soon be a SBR with a Stamp. Also, with a few other goodies added for Christmas if I am good. I have already sent Santa my list.
You are good in TX! You must have the pistol lower! |
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Posted: 11/16/2010 3:25:09 PM
OK, as I do not want to start ANOTHER thread concerning this, but in the below quoted letter what I am gathering is that if one possesses a stripped receiver which was never manufactured into a complete firearm, it can be built into a pistol. COrrect? That is what I am reading in the below letter anyways. This has probably been covered 400 times in this thread alone, but at least I didn't start a new thread!!! :-) I happen to have a stripped lower and I really want to build a pistol. I can certainly go buy a receiver that says "PISTOL" on it, but if I don't have to spend the cash, all the better!!
Thanks! Originally Posted By labrat454:
Here is the ATF view on making an AR pistol www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter7.txt October 1, 1992 Firearms Technical Branch Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms 650 Mass. Ave., NW Washington, DC 20226 Dear Sirs: The Greensboro, NC BATF Compliance Office suggested that I write to you for information on the following point. I am interested on whether it is possible to have a commercially manufactured rifle receiver changed to be legally considered to be a handgun receiver, and how this can be done. The Compliance Office said that this might be possible via a "Letter of Determination", but advised me to write to you about the criteria and procedures. For example, if a person has a rifle receiver and wishes to have it built into a rifle-caliber handgun suitable for steel silhouette target shooting, comparable to the bolt action Remington XP-100 handgun. I understand that the serial number of this receiver is recorded as being for a rifle. Could this person have this receiver's serial number considered to be a handgun receiver? If so, what procedures and paperwork would be necessary. Sincerely, 末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末末 Oct 29 1992 Dear Mr. XXXXX: This refers to your letter of October 1, 1992, in which you inquire about the legality of manufacturing a handgun which utilizes a rifle type receiver. 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53 # 5845(a)(4), the National Firearms Act (NFA), defines the term "firearm" to include a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length. Utilizing the receiver of an existing rifle for the purposes of manufacturing a handgun would constitute the making of a firearm as defined above. Individuals desiring to make such a firearm must first submit an ATF Form 1, Application To Make And Register a Firearm and pay the applicable $200 making tax. If an individual were to obtain a rifle type receiver that had not previously been utilized in the assembly of a rifle, a handgun could be made and not be subject to the provisions of the NFA. Verification must be obtained from the manufacturer of the receiver to establish its authenticity. We trust the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry. If we may be of any further assistance, please contact us. Sincerely your, (signed) Edward M. Owen, Jr. Chief, Firearms Technology Branch |
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Posted: 2/26/2011 1:03:14 AM
[Last Edit: 2/26/2011 1:05:13 AM by jpmuscle]
Key word is the "Assembly" of a rifle so as a stripped factory reciever has not been utilized in rifle it would appear to be pretty clear and dry and for verification of authenticity the Bill of sale should suffice?
Am I correct here? |
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Posted: 3/7/2011 5:16:56 AM
Originally Posted By BlackRidge:
Originally Posted By coolhand77:
Its not an NFA item if you get a pistol lower before you buy the upper. Just get the pistol lower first. Then you can worry about the NFA stuff later [speaking as one who has a pistol lower, a rifle lower, and never the uppers of the twain shall meet] Only fly in the ointment is if you want to do a form 1 for the NFA and your local CLEO is like mine...won't sign off cause he thinks it will increase crime in his area [douch!] If thats the case, you will have to do a form 4 and get a trust to bypass the CLEO signoff. You must be from WA! Yup, I plan on going the same route. Rep at J&T has been pretty persuasive about their pistol, and the price is definitely right. May even take it the AOW route eventually w/ a foregrip....at least until I move to a more NFA/SBR friendly state. (can't beat the $5 transfer fee )Though this is a older post, I thought to mention that it's a fee of $200 to add a vertical fore grip. 
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=122&t=458387 |
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Posted: 4/23/2011 6:05:21 PM
im looking at a 9mm barrel that is 7.5 long and 1 in 15 rifling is this a good rate for this short of a barrel?
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Posted: 11/30/2011 8:56:50 PM
[Last Edit: 11/30/2011 9:00:52 PM by kokopelli]
Originally Posted By BlackRidge:
Originally Posted By coolhand77:
Its not an NFA item if you get a pistol lower before you buy the upper. Just get the pistol lower first. Then you can worry about the NFA stuff later [speaking as one who has a pistol lower, a rifle lower, and never the uppers of the twain shall meet] Only fly in the ointment is if you want to do a form 1 for the NFA and your local CLEO is like mine...won't sign off cause he thinks it will increase crime in his area [douch!] If thats the case, you will have to do a form 4 and get a trust to bypass the CLEO signoff. You must be from WA! Yup, I plan on going the same route. Rep at J&T has been pretty persuasive about their pistol, and the price is definitely right. May even take it the AOW route eventually w/ a foregrip....at least until I move to a more NFA/SBR friendly state. (can't beat the $5 transfer fee )wait...what? Instead of SBR'ng my PSA pistol, I can install a foregrip and register it as an AOW, not an SBR? EDIT: I think I answered my own question- I re-re-read the letter in the stickies...looks like an NFA manufacturer can turn the screw to secure my foregrip to my pistol, register it as an AOW and transfer it to me as such for the $5 stamp. Now the question is- how much would they charge you to do it and for transferring it to you? |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 2:54:16 PM
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 3:21:13 PM by FIDO747]
Hi Folks,
I'm building an AR pistol and I need some good reviews of the following 6 to 7.5 in. uppers and lowers : * Doublestar and J&T Distributing products. * Ranier Arms * Adams Arms * Troy CQB * Primary Weapons Systems Diablo * Noveske Would also like input regarding 7 in. uppers that are DI (gas) vs. Piston Thanks in advance for your advice! -DB |
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Posted: 6/20/2012 5:50:28 PM
[Last Edit: 6/20/2012 5:51:14 PM by RacingJake]
I got an 7" complete upper from JSE for $355 last month and already got 800 rounds of .223/5.56 through it. Runs great and the price was right !
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Posted: 7/16/2012 5:39:46 PM
Trying to put together my build list....
I want to know, what options do I have as fas as 9mm Uppers? I just want the receiver.....Where can I get a completed upper from that is good quality? My goal for this build is reliability... I see some places but everyone seems to be out of stock. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 6:25:59 PM
http://www.jsesurplus.com/ar9mm.aspx
https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=336 or you might consider http://www.americanspiritarms.com/upper-receivers/asa-ar-15-9mm-side-charger-upper-receiver-with-modified-carrier-gen-ii/ I have one of the ASA side chargers as well as a standard upper with 7.5" barrel and a Bushmaster Carbon 15/9 (http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ9-C15P21S.asp) that is light and handy. |
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Posted: 7/16/2012 6:37:05 PM
Thanks for the other options. I want the receiver and everything inside but I don't want the barrel, sight, and handguard...I am going to need to assemble and buy everything or will they sell the aforementioned together?
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Posted: 11/12/2012 12:54:22 AM
so a pistol has to have a barrel less than 12" to be considered a pistol? I have a 12.5" barrel I was going to use to make an SBR but thinking about making a pistol instead.
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Posted: 11/12/2012 1:13:10 AM
Originally Posted By sladek:
so a pistol has to have a barrel less than 12" to be considered a pistol? I have a 12.5" barrel I was going to use to make an SBR but thinking about making a pistol instead. There is no federal law stating that a pistol barrel can only be so long. There is no such law in TX either. |
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Posted: 3/12/2013 9:45:16 AM
hey guys,
New guy here and figured I would ask my questions here instead of making a new thread. So I picked up a stripped receiver and I figured I would make a pistol first this way I can go back and forth. I think I understand how the lower works (in terms of building it) as I'll be getting a phase 5 buffer tube and any generic lower parts kit. What I need help with is understanding what I'll need for the rest of the build; particularly the upper. I have a goal of what it would look like. Basically a 10.5 barrel with a quad rail that covers the whole thing and even half way up a KX3. Yes, I'm that shallow and I like that look and also as it will be used only for the range. And I'm not in a particular rush to build it as I have a lower now and if the communist state of maryland intends to ban "assault weapons" and make me a criminal then so be it (or I'll move to Virginia). 1) The barrel, I see on websites that for any given length lets just say 10.5" that they either come with or without a gasblock. Do I want it with? All I know is the "switchblock" is used for suppressor applications. 2) The buffer? I keep reading about needing different weights for dwell time purposes. I suppose it's a test and find out game. 3) gas system...I understand there are 4 kinds and I suppose you could go pistol or carbine with a 10.5". However, when you're looking for parts online what defines which gas system you'll get? Is it based on which barrel you order and the default it comes with? So like on noveske: (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=b-105-556&cat=158&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title=) it would be a carbine gas system. Can I use a carbine length gas system with a pistol buffer tube? (I've lost myself already) Thanks in advance for the help guys. |
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Posted: 3/22/2013 8:47:53 PM
Couple quick questions (hopefully)... I live in Wisconsin.
I already own two ar15s, and I just purchase a 3rd stripped lower. I went in to my FFL (who did the transfer on the first 2) and asked them to do the transfer as a PISTOL. She told me that I can't do the transfer unless the receiver was manufactured and marked as a pistol. (It is just a stripped Aero Precision lower) I asked her about this and questioned things but she was adamant that it had to come from the manufacturer as a pistol. I was under the impression that when the FFL does the paperwork (which is Form 4473?) they can mark it as Pistol, Long Gun or Other?? (And doing some more reading it looks like it is supposed to be marked "other" but many mark it as long gun). The only catch with it being marked pistol is the background check which is not a problem. Have I missed something, or is there a communication error between myself and my FFL person, or are they just wrong? |
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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:19:34 PM
It doesn't matter what the receiver is marked. If it is not a complete long gun or complete pistol the 4473 should be marked as other. What is marked on the 4473 is also of no consequence to you when you go to build that lower into a complete firearm. They could have marked it rifle, if that receiver has never been built as a rifle then you are perfectly legal in building it into a pistol, regardless of the 4473 being marked rifle.
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