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EARRNHARDT3 Des Moines Co. Sheriff Special Deputy Unit Member Team Member Joined: Jan 2005  IA, USA Posts: 172 Feedback: 100% (70) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/13/2005 10:36:18 AM Ok Let me ask this. I am getting a lower that is engraved "PISTOL ONLY" on the side and is logged at the factory as a pistol can i build an 16" rifle with that lower down the road if i want to after i have built a pistol with it the first time? Iam new to this pistol stuff and i been trying to read this thread for two days and still only have through it. Thanks E3
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Posted: 11/13/2005 5:01:01 PM Originally Posted By EARRNHARDT3: Ok Let me ask this. I am getting a lower that is engraved "PISTOL ONLY" on the side and is logged at the factory as a pistol can i build an 16" rifle with that lower down the road if i want to after i have built a pistol with it the first time? Iam new to this pistol stuff and i been trying to read this thread for two days and still only have through it. Thanks E3 You can put a 16+ inch upper with stock on it if you like. Can go >16" without a stock, unless registered as a short barrel.

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Posted: 11/13/2005 7:10:42 PM Originally Posted By EARRNHARDT3: Ok Let me ask this. I am getting a lower that is engraved "PISTOL ONLY" on the side and is logged at the factory as a pistol can i build an 16" rifle with that lower down the road if i want to after i have built a pistol with it the first time? Iam new to this pistol stuff and i been trying to read this thread for two days and still only have through it. Thanks E3 Yes. So long as you don't assemble it with a short barrel and stock. It doesn't matter what's engraved on the receiver, there is no legal definition's that involve marking a weapon "Pistol" or "Rifle" or any other such thing. What makes it a pistol is the short barrel, lack of a stock, and having not FIRST been made into a rifle. There is some ambiguity here, but the fact remains via the Thompson Center Supreme Court case, you can do that and stay legal.

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brawnyrebel Member Joined: Sep 2004  KY, USA Posts: 31 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/20/2005 6:54:03 PM Could i make a pistol upper out of some really bad shape parts, and assemble and some how document it to reserve the ability to build a nice one when i can afford two uppers? then i can sell the upper cheap to someone else with the same plans. Im not tring to break any laws so if you think its a bad idea please voice it.
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Soviet Friendly Neighborhood Commie Team Member Joined: Sep 2004  VT, USA Posts: 390 Feedback: 100% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/20/2005 8:49:09 PM With the pistol build, it's the lower that matters, You can use any upper under the sun on it.
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sysfailur Member Joined: Sep 2005  PA, USA Posts: 112 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/26/2005 5:36:09 PM I tell ya, I like these alot but if I were to do one, I'd make a SBR with a stock like this and a forward grip. That + a nice aimpoint and you're gtg.
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Soviet Friendly Neighborhood Commie Team Member Joined: Sep 2004  VT, USA Posts: 392 Feedback: 100% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/29/2005 11:38:55 PM on the M1S 7.5" Upper Is the break permafixed on? Or can i swap it out with ease?
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Noner Just the New Guy Moderator Joined: Oct 2003  WA, USA Posts: 1199 Feedback: 100% (110) Link To This Post	Posted: 11/29/2005 11:40:58 PM Originally Posted By Soviet: on the M1S 7.5" Upper Is the break permafixed on? Or can i swap it out with ease? you can swap it wtih ease. I did a few times. -Jason
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Soviet Friendly Neighborhood Commie Team Member Joined: Sep 2004  VT, USA Posts: 407 Feedback: 100% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/11/2006 9:51:37 PM jesus christ! how do i get the stock M1S 3" FF tube off?
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Noner Just the New Guy Moderator Joined: Oct 2003  WA, USA Posts: 1276 Feedback: 100% (110) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/11/2006 11:19:32 PM Originally Posted By Soviet: jesus christ! how do i get the stock M1S 3" FF tube off? Pray real hard, then go buy a rubber pipe wrench.
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Soviet Friendly Neighborhood Commie Team Member Joined: Sep 2004  VT, USA Posts: 409 Feedback: 100% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/12/2006 2:29:32 AM Originally Posted By Noner: Originally Posted By Soviet: jesus christ! how do i get the stock M1S 3" FF tube off? Pray real hard, then go buy a rubber pipe wrench. How is held on... pressure fit? set screws?
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Posted: 1/12/2006 12:17:32 PM No, it replaces the barrel nut. If you've fired it a number of times, it might be jammed or fouled with carbon. It also has to be torqued on pretty good. Not sure if it's a one-piece or two piece. Probably a one-piece as they are cheaper to make. At any rate, a good rubber pipe wrench should do the trick. Why are you taking it off, if I may ask? You don't need to take it off to clean, only to repair.

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Soviet Friendly Neighborhood Commie Team Member Joined: Sep 2004  VT, USA Posts: 411 Feedback: 100% (17) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/13/2006 1:19:30 AM going to replace it with a carbine length.
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tyc147 Member Joined: Apr 2006  CAN Posts: 12 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/7/2006 4:22:28 PM [Last Edit: 8/7/2006 4:25:43 PM by tyc147] just test pic
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Mackdjm Member Joined: Jul 2006  WV, USA Posts: 3 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/30/2006 7:13:56 AM Does Mega make a pistol lower?
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crackbot Member Joined: Dec 2005  NV, USA Posts: 7 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 8/30/2006 10:47:48 AM [Last Edit: 8/30/2006 10:57:18 AM by crackbot] i found the answer to my question
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JasonCookUS AR15 Pistol Junkie Moderator Joined: Oct 2003  WA, USA Posts: 1830 Feedback: 100% (110) Link To This Post	Posted: 9/28/2006 5:50:30 PM Bump to re-tac
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Posted: 10/21/2006 12:38:29 PM I have posted in other forums and still do not have a difinite answer. how about CA. Someone told me as long as I get a virgin lower and register it as a pistol and only build it as a fixed mag and only single shot, I am able to build that. Another person told me not at all in CA because the mag is not in the grip and anything outside the grip is illigal. I would like to build one just because I can regardless if its useless because its only a single shot. If I get a difinite answer I will go ahead and build it and if not I guess I will be building a long ar since I already have a standard one. anybody please help. thanks

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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:11:19 AM [Last Edit: 10/29/2006 9:17:32 AM by 2fewtoys] AR pistols are specifically pointed out as banned from the citizens of Cali: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf You intend to build a variant of the POF or Bushmaster that is magazine fed. Which is bad. Get a 80% machined lower receiver and finish machining it to make your pistol..... but use a belt-fed upper. Ensure you magwell on your lower is not machined out. Whalla 100% compliant AR style pistol that meets California code. Won't take a magazine. Don't link up more than 10 rounds when you take it out to the range. www.lakesideguns.com/title1/upper.html

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squekie Member Team Member Joined: Nov 2006  GA, USA Posts: 18 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 1/24/2007 4:23:18 PM [Last Edit: 1/24/2007 4:24:35 PM by squekie] http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf Sorry I was trying to hyperlink , seems it didn't work.
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epdoyle Member Joined: Mar 2005  MI, USA Posts: 9 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/16/2007 2:54:41 PM who still sells a pistol lower stripped receiver? ameetec doesnt list them any more??
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jobob Member Joined: Apr 2004  ID, USA Posts: 28 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 2/21/2007 3:40:08 PM I just got a Double Eagle pistol lower.
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tspike لن استسل Team Member Joined: Mar 2001  VA, USA Posts: 1622 Feedback: 100% (110) Link To This Post	Posted: 10/7/2007 9:34:36 PM Originally Posted By squekie: ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter40.pdf Sorry I was trying to hyperlink , seems it didn't work.
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dragonmaster1951 Member Joined: Mar 2006  FL, USA Posts: 7 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post	Posted: 10/24/2007 1:22:29 PM Originally Posted By epdoyle: who still sells a pistol lower stripped receiver? ameetec doesnt list them any more?? Spike's Tactical out of Florida, Gun Smoke Interprise also in FLA.
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watsoncb Member Team Member Joined: Oct 2007  VA, USA Posts: 11 Feedback: 100% (1) Link To This Post	Posted: 10/24/2007 6:41:15 PM .223 Pistol lowers are showing up on the PK site: http://www.pkfirearms.com/store/get_items.aspx?type=0&term=100
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