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Posted: 7/2/2017 12:18:23 PM EDT
Looking at one of these ATM:
https://armalite.com/shop/defensive-sporting-rifle-10/ But despite them having been out for about 3 years now, I'm having trouble getting reviews to come up on the google. I want a lightweight (light as possible) 308 semi, that is cost effective (wanna take it hunting and not feel bad beating it up a bit) accurate (happy with 1.5 Moa), and most important RELIABLE, especially suppressed. my last experience was a bushmaster 16" mid length which never ran reliably for me no matter what combo of suppressed, unsuppressed, gas block, ammo, and buffer was in it. Lifetime warranty on this has me optimistic however. though I am slightly weary of the mid length gas based on my last experience. whose got one, or who knows where to find an honest review. bonus points for suppressor reliability notes Thanks arf! |
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My Armalite AR 10 has been 100% reliable from day one. It's about 10 years old now. Generally run a variety of factory ammo as I don't really go blasting with it so no real need to reload for it atm. Mostly a hunting gun, and I try to get 200 or so rounds a year at 300-500 yards to keep my hand in a little longer range shooting. I have never heard of any significant CS issues with Armalite over the long haul. Plus, if it turns out you don't like the rifle, its resale value will hold up over time.
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Cool thanks for the input. You run it suppressed? Rifle gas or mid?
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I have a 16" B-model that uses the old steel mags but is otherwise almost identical to yours. It and my 20" B-model have delivered anvil-like reliability shooting everything from 150g to 168g varying types of ammo, though I haven't used any steel .308. There are other good .308 AR's, but Armalites have definitely been one of them to deliver on durability and reliability.
As far as weight, my 16" has an Armalite pencil barrel, but I wouldn't expect too much as far as categorizing either of my AR10's as lightweight. And frankly until you install a bunch of exotic light weight components on a full frame AR10 or get a Gen II DPMS based AR .308, they're all going to be relatively heavy. Frankly, I really wish they'd get the performance and reliability nailed down on the DPMS Gen II design, because it would be great to have a decently light 6.5 to .308 AR10 platform. I think they'll get there, but reports here and elsewhere aren't where I'd like to be at the moment. Some aren't having any issues and some are. |
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Rifle gas and no on the suppressor. If the HPA passes then I'll get a can or two. Until then no.
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I just got an Armalite Defender 10 and love it.
It is light weight, sort of. Ran about 80 rounds through her yesterday. Ran 100% with three different pmags. I mounted the Accupoint on it and zero'ed it at 50 yds. Accuracy seemed very good. Next range trip will check out how it groups at 100 & 200 yds. Now I'm shopping for a muzzle brake. I follow up with a pic later tonight..... |
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I have a 16" B-model that uses the old steel mags but is otherwise almost identical to yours. It and my 20" B-model have delivered anvil-like reliability shooting everything from 150g to 168g varying types of ammo, though I haven't used any steel .308. There are other good .308 AR's, but Armalites have definitely been one of them to deliver on durability and reliability. As far as weight, my 16" has an Armalite pencil barrel, but I wouldn't expect too much as far as categorizing either of my AR10's as lightweight. And frankly until you install a bunch of exotic light weight components on a full frame AR10 or get a Gen II DPMS based AR .308, they're all going to be relatively heavy. Frankly, I really wish they'd get the performance and reliability nailed down on the DPMS Gen II design, because it would be great to have a decently light 6.5 to .308 AR10 platform. I think they'll get there, but reports here and elsewhere aren't where I'd like to be at the moment. Some aren't having any issues and some are. View Quote Completely agree with you on those GII's. Ive handled them, and I really want to like them. the wight loss feels great, and they feel like a step in quality from previous DPMS items, but inconsistent relability is going to keep me away no chance youre running the 16 middy with a can? |
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Rifle gas and no on the suppressor. If the HPA passes then I'll get a can or two. Until then no. View Quote Speaking of suppressors, you're missing out by not grabbing one. they make shooting more fun and easier to introduce to new kids/people, sure the BS tax stamp and "background check waiting period" is complete and utter contempt of the common man, but such is the system, and one you've got one in your hands, its really not a factor any longer. plus right now given the 41p/f horse manure, prices are at rock bottom due to the lack of sales, with discounts, rebates, and free swag and and even tax stamp credits/coverage sometimes. |
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I picked up a Armalite AR10 DSR and yes I could not find any reviews or anything bad on the net. I was looking at a LMT or Scar but did not want to spend the big money for a rifle that cost to feed it. So far my Armalite shoots great and no issues. The design is simple and I like the forge upper and lower compared to the billet builds. From a distance you could think it was a 5.56 rifle and the fit and finish is excellent. The only thing I have changed was the pistol grip which I added a BCM MOD 0. I put on a Matech rear sight and GG&G folding front sight that works with lower gas blocks. I shot with irons and threw on my Aimpoint T2. I am looking at the Acog TA31 ACSS which is great since it can be used on 5.56 and 308. My rifle did come with the 25 round Pmag even though Armalite website says 20 rounder.
Armalite AR10??? Link New first shots |
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Excellent thanks! 165/8 are my favorite 308 weights. Completely agree with you on those GII's. Ive handled them, and I really want to like them. the wight loss feels great, and they feel like a step in quality from previous DPMS items, but inconsistent relability is going to keep me away no chance youre running the 16 middy with a can? View Quote |
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I think if you search buy the model number DEF10 you'll get a lot more results, but everything I've seen is positive
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Attached File With Magpul furniture, Trijicon TR24G, LaRue mount & ALG trigger. LaRue MBT trigger is ordered ?? Shoots great and is my new favorite 7.62 NATO auto loader |
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Yes, my 16" is a middy, and I do shoot with a can most of the time...never shoot my 20" with the can for some reason...maybe just a length and weight thing. I have a JP adjustable gas block on the 16", but I've been quite surprised how the rifle seems to do fine with and without the can with just a "happy medium" adjustment on the block. I don't shoot any subs...have a 300BO for that. I'm using a SilencerCo Hybrid on the 16" that works great. View Quote |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/46283/IMG-0924-245307.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/46283/IMG-0922-245306.JPG With Magpul furniture, Trijicon TR24G, LaRue mount & ALG trigger. LaRue MBT trigger is ordered ?? Shoots great and is my new favorite 7.62 NATO auto loader View Quote How do you like that tr24? Tr26 is on the short list of possible next Optics for me. Though the 308 will probably get a 2.5-10 or similar |
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I do like the TR24.
Mine has the #4 German cross hairs with green 1 MOA dot. I selected it because I thought the finer aiming piont had a wider variety of applications, like hunting. If I had a "do over" I'd get a TA11 maybe. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/46283/IMG-0924-245307.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/46283/IMG-0922-245306.JPG With Magpul furniture, Trijicon TR24G, LaRue mount & ALG trigger. LaRue MBT trigger is ordered ?? Shoots great and is my new favorite 7.62 NATO auto loader View Quote Does a standard mid length AR15 Magpul HG fit or do you have to get a AR10 version |
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The handgards are the standard AR15 mid length ones.
With some careful fitting it can be made to fit. Had to go after the rear lugs with the dremel |
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The handgards are the standard AR15 mid length ones. With some careful fitting it can be made to fit. Had to go after the rear lugs with the dremel View Quote I found a NIB Def10 for $750 shipped Sitting here debating if i should leap into the AR10 rabbit hole or not |
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Are you sure its an AR10 DEF? Never seen them for 750.00 brand new maybe a DEF in 556. I searched for a long time before I bought mine and never could I find one cheaper then 900.00. If it is 750.00 you better pick it up now.
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Are you sure its an AR10 DEF? Never seen them for 750.00 brand new maybe a DEF in 556. I searched for a long time before I bought mine and never could I find one cheaper then 900.00. If it is 750.00 you better pick it up now. View Quote I saw another one 2 weeks ago for under $750 NIB and a few others right at $800 |
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Gunbroker.Use armalite 10 for a search instead of Def10 it pulls up more results Someone bought it,but i have seen several go for under $800 recently. View Quote They use keywords too liberally. Should be out in check, but I also haven't looked there in over a year. |
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I was in the same boat when I was looking for a .308. I went went with the DSR and I couldnt be happier. Eventually I added a MI handgaurd and replaced the trigger with a RRA 2 stage. It has been an accurate and dependable hunting rifle. https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/14711190_10100166688567154_8633960289274341286_o.jpg?oh=bcf74d5ffccc2137bf991f6b24278d27&oe=59C60ABE View Quote how do you like that handguard? looking for aftermarket hand guards, it seems options are fairly slim for armalite pattern. I'm pretty much down to the midwest and the odin works and having trouble deciding. of course ill probably only float it if its not quite as accurate as I'm hoping and I think I can improve it enough... only other option in my book was the aero, but I don't like how fat they are, so its probably a distant third |
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I have Midwest drop in non free float rails.They are rock solid. The carbine rails were a tight fit putting them on. I think you`ll like them unless you`re determined to free float.
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My roomie has a DEF 10 model A with an ACOG.....he's put a lot of rounds downrange and it just plain rocks. A GREAT weapon.
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I have a b model. It is great. If you put a can on it and want to shoot a lot for groups get a heavier barrel like the T model. The weight of the can caused my second 10 shot group to open up some after the barrel was hot. First 10 shot group was always the best. Never a concern for hunting and my favorite hunting rifle with the can. I shoot 165 Hornsby btsp and they are accurate and devastating. Have a very accurate load with 130 grain Barnes that gives 200fps more in the 16" barrel but haven't tried on game yet.
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I have a b model. It is great. If you put a can on it and want to shoot a lot for groups get a heavier barrel like the T model. The weight of the can caused my second 10 shot group to open up some after the barrel was hot. First 10 shot group was always the best. Never a concern for hunting and my favorite hunting rifle with the can. I shoot 165 Hornsby btsp and they are accurate and devastating. Have a very accurate load with 130 grain Barnes that gives 200fps more in the 16" barrel but haven't tried on game yet. View Quote 308 goals here are: lightweight (as possible),dependalbe (particularly suppressed), then accurate. ideally id like it to be around 1-1.5 moa, better makes me happy, but its really third on the list of priorities. as far as the accuracy questions goes, however; basically I'm thinking that if it is 1.5 or better with my load of choice (150 or 165 barnes)ill leave it alone. if its two or bigger, which honestly i dont expect with a double lapped barrel and quality ammo in 2017, ill buy a hand guard and see if that produces the results i want. one of the 12" midwest units with a lighter gas block should keep the weight around stock and hit all the other bullet points as well. |
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I bought one last year for deer hunting. I love it! Although I only have a couple hundred rounds through it. I originally put an extra leupold vxr 1.5x4 on it then one day drove down to midwest industries! I bought a light weight handguard, low pro gas block, grip, charging handle, bcm stock and a leupold vxr 2.5-7 scope w/mount. Now I really love the gun! If I could do it never though I would just buy a complete .308 from midwest industries. I have 2 of their complete AR15s and both are perfect!
I got a good deal on the armalite though so that's why I bought it. If you want pics I'll have to email because Photobucket isn't letting me post them. |
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