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Posted: 4/20/2017 9:02:43 AM EDT
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Trying to get out tomorrow. Got 200 rnds of steel case coming in today. Reloaded about 40 rounds also. Will give update as soon as it happens.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:56:05 PM EDT
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I ordered one too along with everything to
complete an upper and 500 rds of Wolf ammo. Will report back once I shoot it! |
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Posted: 4/21/2017 9:47:48 AM EDT
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The 16" is carbine length. Unless I'm mistaken that would be equivalent to an 18" barrel with a mid-length (same amount of barrel from gas hole to tip of barrel).
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Posted: 4/28/2017 11:26:53 AM EDT
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OK Digger...do I have to find your house, dig through your shot-up targets and type up my own review of how the barrel shot the second time around?
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Posted: 4/28/2017 12:56:47 PM EDT
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I picked one up, and plan on completing the build in the next few days. I'll be out shooting it next wednesday with factory & my reloaded ammo. I'll chrono and compare to my 16" Stoner barrel if you like. I can either start a new thread for you guys or just post in here.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 2:42:04 PM EDT
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urban, just found them last night 
I bought a Anderson and had to send it back because of a bad chamber. They are sending me a replacement now. Was looking on Classic Arms last night and seen their barrels and ordered one in 18" length but don't know the manufacture. I have purchased several barrels in other calibers from Classic and been pleased. They are calling the 6.5 barrels Type ll. I'll be selling a unfired Anderson 16" barrel Type l and a bolt Type l with 16 rounds on it shortly.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 4:47:56 PM EDT
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Anderson Uses a type 2 bolt, their chamber is also type 2 not type one. I have no idea why the site lists it as type 1. When asked their customer service they stated you needed a .136" bolt depth for their barrels, which is a type 2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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urban, just found them last night
I bought a Anderson and had to send it back because of a bad chamber. They are sending me a replacement now. Was looking on Classic Arms last night and seen their barrels and ordered one in 18" length but don't know the manufacture. I have purchased several barrels in other calibers from Classic and been pleased. They are calling the 6.5 barrels Type ll. I'll be selling a unfired Anderson 16" barrel Type l and a bolt Type l with 16 rounds on it shortly. The best advise for the consumer is do the research necessary to be an informed consumer. Not all products are created equal and the consumer needs to look at which features are most important such as barrel profile/weight/twist, type of bolt and compatabilty with other rifles you own, vendors CS and price. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 5:36:39 PM EDT
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Has anyone shot the Anderson and measured their fired neck diameter?
The whole point of the .300" neck in 6.5 Grendel was reliable feeding with steel case for when it would finally become a reality. All those years, people scoffed and thought it was vaporware, because it took a lot of back-and-forth working through intermediaries to get the cartridge dimensions correct. Anyway, due to the variance in lacquer, Bill A. chose to use a .300" neck in the standard 6.5 Grendel chamber, with a compound throat to keep projectiles aligned, while also allowing for various projectile shapes to work at AR15 magazine restricted COL. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 6:25:13 PM EDT
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Just fired 2 rounds our of my Anderson barrel. Both measured .299-.300. Sounds about right to me.
Eta; measured with a starrett micrometer not calipers. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 6:36:34 PM EDT
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Got home to this waiting for me.
Now just need to wait for remaining components. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 7:40:16 PM EDT
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I picked one up, and plan on completing the build in the next few days. I'll be out shooting it next wednesday with factory & my reloaded ammo. I'll chrono and compare to my 16" Stoner barrel if you like. I can either start a new thread for you guys or just post in here. Will have to compare our outings. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 9:39:25 PM EDT
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Just fired 2 rounds our of my Anderson barrel. Both measured .299-.300. Sounds about right to me. Eta; measured with a starrett micrometer not calipers. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:02:59 PM EDT
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Just got my 18" barrel also, gonna be assembling this weekend & hitting the range Wednesday too. Will have to compare our outings. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/DnaDuster/IMG_20170428_125354_zpseqo8zguh.jpg http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/DnaDuster/IMG_20170428_125402_zpsy9fmxsgz.jpg |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:06:11 PM EDT
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That's SAAMI chambered if it has the compound throat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just fired 2 rounds our of my Anderson barrel. Both measured .299-.300. Sounds about right to me. Eta; measured with a starrett micrometer not calipers. |
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Posted: 4/28/2017 10:19:15 PM EDT
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Those are some nice lookin' barrels.
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Posted: 4/28/2017 11:07:49 PM EDT
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That's a fine looking tube you have there. Nitrided stainless? What mfg is it? Its nitrided chrome moly vanadium. For the price it was worth trying out. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:27:39 AM EDT
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OK Digger...do I have to find your house, dig through your shot-up targets and type up my own review of how the barrel shot the second time around?  Attached File Attached File Attached FileGroups started opening up after 15 shots using Hornady 123g ELD. I stopped after 3rd group. The good news is it cycled great with Hornady and Wolf. The Wolf would not group at all.....3+ inches. Sorry first group at the bottom, 2nd group in middle, 3rd on top. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 7:59:24 AM EDT
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Thanks, purchased from classic arms sale, they state maker is US manufacturer so not sure. Its nitrided chrome moly vanadium. For the price it was worth trying out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's a fine looking tube you have there. Nitrided stainless? What mfg is it? Its nitrided chrome moly vanadium. For the price it was worth trying out. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 10:35:33 AM EDT
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Do you have a link or are they all gone? My google skills turn up nothing... Big sale ended last Sunday. The grendel barrel I got is $30 more. Still a decent price. But $99 was great. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 11:32:32 AM EDT
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From page 1 of this thread Classic barrel sale Big sale ended last Sunday. The grendel barrel I got is $30 more. Still a decent price. But $99 was great. Digger, shot my Anderson yesterday. The barrel wasn't reamed properly. I made up some handloads, loaded to 2.26" and they were hitting the rifling. The bullets were wedged so hard that I had to mortar the rifle to open the bolt and it pulled the bullet from the case. I shorted them OAL to 2.245" and thought I took care of the issue but it was still doing it at the range. I had to load a round int he chamber and release the bolt to get it to go into battery. If I tried loading from the magazine the bolt would not go into battery. I finally gave up after getting the scope zeroed but I decided to ask for a flat out refund from anderson and I'll go with one of the 18" classic barrels. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 2:52:03 PM EDT
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I checked last night, they still had a sale going...I'm planning on purchasing as soon as I get confirmation I can return my Anderson barrel. Digger, shot my Anderson yesterday. The barrel wasn't reamed properly. I made up some handloads, loaded to 2.26" and they were hitting the rifling. The bullets were wedged so hard that I had to mortar the rifle to open the bolt and it pulled the bullet from the case. I shorted them OAL to 2.245" and thought I took care of the issue but it was still doing it at the range. I had to load a round int he chamber and release the bolt to get it to go into battery. If I tried loading from the magazine the bolt would not go into battery. I finally gave up after getting the scope zeroed but I decided to ask for a flat out refund from anderson and I'll go with one of the 18" classic barrels. Yes, something is up with those barrels. I haven't mounted the replacement barrel they sent me but got to admit the chamber looks a lot better. When I drop a factory round down the chamber it appears to seat properly. I was using a .125" depth bolt on the first barrel and could have been the problem. Once I mount the replacement barrel I'll try the .136" bolt I'm using in the Classic Arms barrel and see if that makes a difference. |
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Posted: 4/29/2017 4:52:20 PM EDT
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Any range reports yet?
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:01:32 PM EDT
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I tested my 20" Nitrided Grendel yesterday, 100 grain Wolf. I was cleaning as I went to condition the barrel.
Using iron sights, I was happy with the 100 yard results, took to shooting the 150 yard plates. Until I get a scope on it, I can't be certain if good or great. I know I can do better with 223 scoped, or my NM AR iron sights. I'm going splurge and get either a Bear Creek side charging upper or a Wolfpack side charger. Bear is on the right, Wolf on the left. I'm please with the Bear I'm using with my 300 BLK pistol and its much cheaper than the Wolf. Kicking myself for not getting a second barrel................................... Oh well.......... 
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Posted: 4/29/2017 6:44:12 PM EDT
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It appears my Classic barrel doesn't care much for wolf 100 gr. bullets.
Has anyone pulled the bullets and reloaded with a different type/heavier bullet? |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 9:51:43 AM EDT
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Finished the 18" Classic Arms Grendel last night, along with a 20" Colt 1/12 twist. I may go out today and put a few rounds through them.
6.5 Grendel 18" Classic Arms Anderson Upper Aero 12" M Lok Magpul ACS L LaRue MBT Vortex 6-18x44  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/30/2017 12:37:53 PM EDT
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What is the depth of the bolt you are using? Yes, something is up with those barrels. I haven't mounted the replacement barrel they sent me but got to admit the chamber looks a lot better. When I drop a factory round down the chamber it appears to seat properly. I was using a .125" depth bolt on the first barrel and could have been the problem. Once I mount the replacement barrel I'll try the .136" bolt I'm using in the Classic Arms barrel and see if that makes a difference. |
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Posted: 5/1/2017 5:01:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2017 4:37:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2017 10:38:39 PM EDT
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Awesome....what I wanted for about $150 less than what I built Quote HistoryQuoted:
Awesome....what I wanted for about $150 less than what I built |
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Posted: 5/7/2017 11:57:40 PM EDT
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Some reason the type 2 chambers don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. I'll probably stick with Saami spec.
It is temping at those prices. |
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Posted: 5/8/2017 12:05:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2017 12:29:51 PM EDT
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Looking at 2 of their 18" barrels. What's the difference? One is 5R for the twist... What is the rifling on the other?
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Posted: 5/10/2017 3:48:11 PM EDT
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well. went the arf way and got both!i bought a classic 16 m4 and ordered a new lightweight alexander.the alexander is a month wait,so it will be a little while,however i received
 Attached Filethe m4 barrel and bolted it all together.the only thing sucky is that i bought both bolts from alexander,so it looks like im waiting either way. |
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Posted: 5/10/2017 4:53:57 PM EDT
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Here's my 18" Fluted barrel from Classic Arms. Rained last week so couldn't get it out and shoot. Was out today with about 40 rounds of reloads I had for my 16" Grendel. Couldn't find my ammo bag that had factory 123sst and 123eld-m, so I couldn't really do the test I wanted to do. But I did get to put 40 rounds through her though.
 Attached File Attached FileBest group, I always had one flier. Now if I can only find that bag of ammo 
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Posted: 5/10/2017 9:30:56 PM EDT
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Not bad...looks promising..in just hoping these barrels shot the wolf ammo ok.
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Posted: 5/10/2017 9:55:34 PM EDT
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Bought a 16" carbine to get cut to 12"
They raped me on shipping too |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 2:57:56 PM EDT
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Looking at 2 of their 18" barrels. What's the difference? One is 5R for the twist... What is the rifling on the other? |
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Posted: 5/11/2017 3:26:45 PM EDT
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Here's my 18" Fluted barrel from Classic Arms. Rained last week so couldn't get it out and shoot. Was out today with about 40 rounds of reloads I had for my 16" Grendel. Couldn't find my ammo bag that had factory 123sst and 123eld-m, so I couldn't really do the test I wanted to do. But I did get to put 40 rounds through her though. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6796/IMG-20170510-101244237-205690.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6796/IMG-20170510-101143945-1--205688.JPG Best group, I always had one flier. Now if I can only find that bag of ammo
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6796/IMG-20170510-102216385-205693.JPG |
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Posted: 5/12/2017 11:39:11 AM EDT
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I was thinking about the 5R as 5R's are usually good, but the website doesn't state what the other one is. Is this barrel going to be comparable to odin, jp, faxton is releasing something soon. Just don't know if I should wait, as I don't want to waste $143.10 if these are not close to performing with other barrels that are only $100-200 more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Looking at 2 of their 18" barrels. What's the difference? One is 5R for the twist... What is the rifling on the other? Didn't sound like a big deal so I ordered the cheaper barrel. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 8:01:34 PM EDT
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Finally made it out to range last weekend, put 200rnds thru my grendel.
My 18" classic barrel was holding 3.5"-4" @ 100yds with wolf ammo & cheap ass weaver scope. What was weird though was @ 200yds holding steady 3" groups with quite a few 2" groups. Was also hitting about 4" low at 200yds?? Have new scope ordered just need some more accurate ammo now! |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 4:38:51 AM EDT
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Finally made it out to range last weekend, put 200rnds thru my grendel. My 18" classic barrel was holding 3.5"-4" @ 100yds with wolf ammo & cheap ass weaver scope. What was weird though was @ 200yds holding steady 3" groups with quite a few 2" groups. Was also hitting about 4" low at 200yds?? Have new scope ordered just need some more accurate ammo now! |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:37:22 AM EDT
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Steel cased or wolf good? Gold ammo in 6.5...Would it be good to try out for an accurate round? |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 3:11:15 PM EDT
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Wolf Gold uses a 120 grain Multi Purpose Tactical bullet (MPT) and is loaded by Prvi Partizan in PPU brass. Basically same bullet as PPU 6.5 Grendel HP BT 120 grain load. Wolf supposedly had the Wolf Gold manufactured prior to PPU ammo recall. The recent Wolf Gold has supposedly been in storage for a period of time before being recently released. From my experience quality of Wolf Gold and Prvi Partizan 6.5 Grendel varied from lot to lot. Some Wolf was very good and some was average. Some of the PPU brass was OK but a lot of it was soft and some brass was out of spec which may have prompted the recall.
Prvi Partizan is suppodely working with the Serbian military to develope new 6.5 Grendel ammunition using small rifle primers. It was reported once Prvi Partizan new 6.5 Grendel ammunition was in production it would eventually make it to the US market. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 4:04:36 PM EDT
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The steel cheap stuff, I wasn't aware Wolf had Gold ammo in 6.5...Would it be good to try out for an accurate round? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Steel cased or wolf good? Gold ammo in 6.5...Would it be good to try out for an accurate round? |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 5:57:39 PM EDT
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Ive been getting Wolf Gold from these guys $16.49 a box
http://ammunitionstore.com/products/6-5mm-grendel-ammo-120gr-mpt-wolf-gold-20-round-box.html Shoots pretty decent from my AA 16 inch Barrel and bolt combo....at least no issues at all with any Ammo and I have used everything including rolling my own. Alexander has got their shit figured out..for my money its worth it for the piece of mind. |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 7:54:18 PM EDT
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so are these classic arms 6.5 Grendel barrels gtg?
looking at this barrel to replace a 556 barrel and get into the 6.5 game. Would the AA bolt work with this barrel? |
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Posted: 5/19/2017 9:39:39 PM EDT
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so are these classic arms 6.5 Grendel barrels gtg? looking at this barrel to replace a 556 barrel and get into the 6.5 game. Would the AA bolt work with this barrel? |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 3:50:41 PM EDT
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Some bad info in here. The facts.
Common Terms: Type II-Refers to a Grendel bolt that has a .136 bolt face recess. Does not necessarily refer to a Grendel II although a Grendel II uses a Type II bolt. Type I- Refers to a 7.62X39 bolt with a .125 bolt face recess these are commonly used with 264 LBC chambers. SAAMI Grendel- Refers to a Grendel with a compound throat and .300in neck that conforms to the SAAMI documentation. Length of throat varies with reamer source. 264 LBC- Refers to a Grendel with a .120in throat and .295neck Grendel II- Refers to original Grendel chamber with a .120in throat and a .300 neck. Not the same as Type II although it uses a type II bolt. |
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Posted: 5/20/2017 4:08:17 PM EDT
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Don't cut corners on a bolt. These three are the best options in my opinion. They all have proven track records and don't break. Alexander Arms hard use bolt (93.50), JP ($139.95) or Maxim Firearms ($75).
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Posted: 5/20/2017 4:17:44 PM EDT
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Some bad info in here. The facts. Common Terms: Type II-Refers to a Grendel bolt that has a .136 bolt face recess. Does not necessarily refer to a Grendel II although a Grendel II uses a Type II bolt. Type I- Refers to a 7.62X39 bolt with a .125 bolt face recess these are commonly used with 264 LBC chambers. SAAMI Grendel- Refers to a Grendel with a compound throat and .300in neck that conforms to the SAAMI documentation. Length of throat varies with reamer source. 264 LBC- Refers to a Grendel with a .120in throat and .295neck Grendel II- Refers to original Grendel chamber with a .120in throat and a .300 neck. Not the same as Type II although it uses a type II bolt. |
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