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Posted: 9/13/2016 8:21:01 PM EDT
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I've shot one, they're nice and light. The one I shot had a lantac brake and it didn't kick at all with that big brake. They're a little pricey but they got some nice features.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 8:33:31 AM EDT
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Not very many people own one. $2700 is way too much. Hell, it doesn't even have an adjustable gas block.
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Posted: 9/14/2016 1:10:33 PM EDT
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Not very many people own one. $2700 is way too much. Hell, it doesn't even have an adjustable gas block. Adjustable gas blocks are not needed for proper function. They're a commodity, a luxury if you will. If you don't reload, they're kinda pointless. Unless your enjoy adjusting your gas block for every different ammo you shoot. Very unlikely you have thousands upon thousands of rounds from the same lot. SR25s don't use adjustable blocks either. The adjustable stuff is primarily for competitions. Not duty. The DD is a high quality duty gun. There was a thread a while back of an owner breaking his down, showing the bcg and what not. He seemed very pleased with it. It's completely different from other 308 ARs. Same concept, but different barrel mounting, different bolt and cam design, lots of small enhancements that they claim greatly increases reliability. But, it is a little too pricy for what it is. But, not simply because of the lack of an adjustable gas block...... |
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Posted: 9/14/2016 4:25:40 PM EDT
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For us that shoot suppressors, an adjustable gas block is a necessity. Not a luxury like you claim. For that price, it should include one and some sights.
There is a few other options out there that are $700-$1000 cheaper and just as reliable. Pws, Midwest, Windham, Ruger etc... |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 7:28:32 AM EDT
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For us that shoot suppressors, an adjustable gas block is a necessity. Not a luxury like you claim. For that price, it should include one and some sights. There is a few other options out there that are $700-$1000 cheaper and just as reliable. Pws, Midwest, Windham, Ruger etc... I agree with this. A heavier buffer helps with suppressor use, but not as much as a switch block, or fill adjustable one. BUT, it's still not needed for proper function. 
I thought it came with the DD fixed sights. Yes, there are others that have proven track records much cheaper than the DD. But they went a different route. DD tweaked alot of stuff, and they're really proud of it. I always recommend Armalite, or Windham. Much cheaper, both have proven pedigree, but without the flair everyone is wanting these days. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:31:28 PM EDT
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They stopped fixed sights a long time ago. My point is, if you spend all this R&D to change how the barrel mounts up, why not do some R&D and put an easily adjustable gas block on it for suppressors. They are becoming more and more popular and you didn't include that ??? Just a head scratcher !
I just put a Slr on my Windham. I didn't mind doing it, cause I paid $1200 for the rifle, which also had a free float rail. At $2700, it better have one. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:33:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For us that shoot suppressors, an adjustable gas block is a necessity. Not a luxury like you claim. For that price, it should include one and some sights. Bullshit, I've never had the need for an adjustable gasblock suppressed. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:36:21 PM EDT
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Well I have. It speeds the bolt up and can cause double feeds and malfunctions. I guess your just special.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:37:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I have. It speeds the bolt up and can cause double feeds and malfunctions. I guess your just special. No, I buy good stuff Adjustable gas blocks are to separate dumb people from money |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 12:59:37 PM EDT
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So a Saker 762 and Bcm rifle are not good stuff ? < CoC violation deleted - IM inbound - HS >
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Posted: 9/15/2016 1:01:20 PM EDT
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Edited - not tech - HS
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Posted: 9/15/2016 2:16:22 PM EDT
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Edited - not tech - HS
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Posted: 9/15/2016 2:23:01 PM EDT
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Edited - not tech - HS
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Posted: 9/15/2016 2:47:26 PM EDT
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Wow. Anyway gentlemen, thanks for the replies and pointing out some of the features ( and deficiencies ). This was the kind of opinion(s) I was looking for.
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Posted: 9/15/2016 2:50:59 PM EDT
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Edited - not tech - HS
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Posted: 9/15/2016 7:19:59 PM EDT
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Edited - not tech - HS
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Posted: 9/15/2016 7:26:29 PM EDT
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Edited - not tech - HS
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Posted: 9/15/2016 8:10:45 PM EDT
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Did a brief search, and didn't find anything about these relatively new rifles. Thoughts ? Pretty impressive shooters. Relatively light weight, handy and solid rifles. There's a bunch of great features with these rifles. Compared to a couple other .308 ARs I've fired, ( an Armalite and a Ruger ) the DD5 easily blows them out of the water. |
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Posted: 9/15/2016 8:16:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty impressive shooters. Relatively light weight, handy and solid rifles. There's a bunch of great features with these rifles. Compared to a couple other .308 ARs I've fired, ( an Armalite and a Ruger ) the DD5 easily blows them out of the water. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did a brief search, and didn't find anything about these relatively new rifles. Thoughts ? Pretty impressive shooters. Relatively light weight, handy and solid rifles. There's a bunch of great features with these rifles. Compared to a couple other .308 ARs I've fired, ( an Armalite and a Ruger ) the DD5 easily blows them out of the water. Yep. DD is a great gun for the money. Personally it's still overpriced. $2500 local here when I can get a Lanxang or LaRue for a few hundred more. I really think DD should drop them to the $2000 range as it seems it's more geared toward hunters and not precision shooters |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 7:26:55 AM EDT
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Pretty impressive shooters. Relatively light weight, handy and solid rifles. There's a bunch of great features with these rifles. Compared to a couple other .308 ARs I've fired, ( an Armalite and a Ruger ) the DD5 easily blows them out of the water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did a brief search, and didn't find anything about these relatively new rifles. Thoughts ? Pretty impressive shooters. Relatively light weight, handy and solid rifles. There's a bunch of great features with these rifles. Compared to a couple other .308 ARs I've fired, ( an Armalite and a Ruger ) the DD5 easily blows them out of the water. How does it blow them out of the water? What we're the specs of the Armalite and Ruger? Not really doubting, just wanting clarification on what you mean. Did the others have issues that were not addressed properly? I haven't shot a DD yet, but a guy brought his into the local shop a few weeks back when i was grabbing some ammo. Felt really nice and balanced. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 5:33:11 PM EDT
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How does it blow them out of the water? What we're the specs of the Armalite and Ruger? Not really doubting, just wanting clarification on what you mean. Did the others have issues that were not addressed properly? I haven't shot a DD yet, but a guy brought his into the local shop a few weeks back when i was grabbing some ammo. Felt really nice and balanced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did a brief search, and didn't find anything about these relatively new rifles. Thoughts ? Pretty impressive shooters. Relatively light weight, handy and solid rifles. There's a bunch of great features with these rifles. Compared to a couple other .308 ARs I've fired, ( an Armalite and a Ruger ) the DD5 easily blows them out of the water. How does it blow them out of the water? What we're the specs of the Armalite and Ruger? Not really doubting, just wanting clarification on what you mean. Did the others have issues that were not addressed properly? I haven't shot a DD yet, but a guy brought his into the local shop a few weeks back when i was grabbing some ammo. Felt really nice and balanced. While its been a couple years since I fired them, I remember not being impressed by them and even a little dismayed by the poor triggers, ( yes, I know.. comparing stock, mil-spec type triggers to a Geissele - no contest ) recoil/muzzle blast and in the case of the Ruger, I didn't care for it's balance. I used to own an SR556 and while it was a good running rifle, it felt nose heavy to me and the SR 762 felt about the same. Again, I know.. comparing a piston gun to a DI gun. While the two rifles I put some rounds through ran ok, I'd read of numerous issues with Ruger's SR 762. If I was going to plunk down and snag up a 762 AR, I'd whole-heartedly take a DD5, or an Ambush if I was looking to reach out a tad farther. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 5:37:30 PM EDT
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No, I buy good stuff Adjustable gas blocks are to separate dumb people from money Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well I have. It speeds the bolt up and can cause double feeds and malfunctions. I guess your just special. No, I buy good stuff Adjustable gas blocks are to separate dumb people from money You're obviously not left handed. Regarding the rifle, it's nice but you can do better for the money. |
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Posted: 9/16/2016 5:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're obviously not left handed. Regarding the rifle, it's nice but you can do better for the money. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well I have. It speeds the bolt up and can cause double feeds and malfunctions. I guess your just special. No, I buy good stuff Adjustable gas blocks are to separate dumb people from money You're obviously not left handed. Regarding the rifle, it's nice but you can do better for the money. I am a lefty  |
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Posted: 9/21/2016 4:49:36 PM EDT
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My original post was to see what the more experienced members of this forum thought about the DD. I had traded the day before for one, NIB, and didn't know what to expect. Shot it for the first time today. Used some inexpensive Magpul BUIS's (which performed rather well ). an equally inexpensive 1x Bushnell red-dot ( that also performed well ), and finally a nice 1x9 scope - that was killer. That rifle can shoot my friends. Burned up 40 rds in a heartbeat. Daniel Defense should be praised - though I agree, it's pricey.
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Posted: 9/23/2016 1:59:11 PM EDT
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I am a lefty
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Well I have. It speeds the bolt up and can cause double feeds and malfunctions. I guess your just special. No, I buy good stuff Adjustable gas blocks are to separate dumb people from money You're obviously not left handed. Regarding the rifle, it's nice but you can do better for the money. I am a lefty
My MK18 sucked before throwing on an adjustable. |
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Posted: 9/23/2016 5:18:13 PM EDT
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I purchased one a few months ago and have not had any problems with it thus far. I was able to get mine on sale at the LGS and I got it for under $2500 after taxes. There are other options out there for cheaper but I dont think you would regret getting one. The DD comes with some features the cheaper ones don't. I went back and forth for a while on getting one as I already have an LMT but with the sale price I couldn't pass it up. Plus, the thing shoots like a dream. I personally believe the DD is a good choice as it sits right in the middle price range wise versus other brands. Just my $0.02 though
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Posted: 9/24/2016 7:18:45 PM EDT
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The barrel mounting design was stolen from another manufacturer and then claimed by DD to be uniquely their own. Falkor Defense I believe.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 10:40:21 AM EDT
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The barrel mounting design was stolen from another manufacturer and then claimed by DD to be uniquely their own. Falkor Defense I believe. Hmm, i don't see any similarities. The falkor actually looks ugly. Not well thought out. Way overpriced after changing names. SI Defense, correct? So, what was stolen? Any reference for this? Or just going off hearsay? From the pictures of the Alpha 308 i can find, there are ZERO similarities at the barrel nut/mounting interface between the DD beyond both using bolts to secure the handguard to the upper directly. So, not sure what the point of your post was. I can't find anything to back up what you say. Care to provide something? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 1:44:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The barrel mounting design was stolen from another manufacturer and then claimed by DD to be uniquely their own. Falkor Defense I believe. FDtrading or whatever, the guy supposedly suing them is that retard that sued LWRC a couple of years ago Of course judging by your post count you're probably him again. How long until you melt down and get banned again? |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 3:45:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Oh yeah, that's who it was. FD Defense.
4 bolt lockup and no barrel nut. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 3:55:58 PM EDT
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Not very many people own one. $2700 is way too much. Hell, it doesn't even have an adjustable gas block. For $2700 it should include a nightforce scope. |
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Posted: 9/25/2016 4:13:32 PM EDT
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They're priced well for what you are getting. The Larue PredatOBR is $3,370 and the KAC SR25 AAC is $4,250. Seems it's priced right around what the LMT MWS is going for, around $2,500.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 4:30:38 PM EDT
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For $2700 it should include a nightforce scope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not very many people own one. $2700 is way too much. Hell, it doesn't even have an adjustable gas block. For $2700 it should include a nightforce scope. That's why there's DPMSs and RRAs for folks such as y'all. You'll have plenty left over for Nightforce scopes, adjustable gas blocks, bells, whistles, etc. Options for everyone's budget. 
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Posted: 9/25/2016 6:38:59 PM EDT
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Guess so. Same reason I don't buy F-150s. Waayyy overpriced. High prices doesn't always mean better rifle. I'm amazed so many guys think that.
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Posted: 9/25/2016 8:56:15 PM EDT
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Guess so. Same reason I don't buy F-150s. Waayyy overpriced. High prices doesn't always mean better rifle. I'm amazed so many guys think that. On a side note, did you ever follow up with DD about your issues with their rifles? I don't remember if you still owned one or not but DD's head customer service rep reached out to you in the industry section here several days ago. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 7:39:10 AM EDT
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Yes. That was a few years ago. I ended up selling it. But I didn't know that, they banned me from that forum. Guess I hurt their reputation.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:34:41 PM EDT
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I got my DD5 a couple months ago. Have only had it to the range one time to get it sighted in. Finished off a box of 155gr SST's I had sitting around and it definitely has very good accuracy potential with the right loads. There's really nothing about the gun I don't like. I'd prefer a standard CH just so I could switch out to one I prefer more but DD's CH isn't bad. Love the way it handles but I've only shot it off the bench. I had been interested in the LMT for years but the DD just spoke to me and I'm happy with my purchase.
Pic is the last 5 shots. Couldn't build a solid position so I bailed before putting any match ammo through it to see how well it could shoot. 100 yards, 1" squares. Pulled the first shot then put the last 4 pretty tight.  " />
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:27:28 PM EDT
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Guess so. Same reason I don't buy F-150s. Waayyy overpriced. High prices doesn't always mean better rifle. I'm amazed so many guys think that. F150 is the best selling truck because it's CHEAP. Just like DPMS is the best selling rifle. Because it's cheap. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 6:58:18 PM EDT
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Your dead wrong. The average msrp of the F-150 is more than Chevy and dodge. Obviously you don't know much about trucks dude.
A fully loaded F-150 Limited runs $70,000. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 8:21:41 PM EDT
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I heard that Ford stole the engine mounting design from Chevy and the tranny mount design from Dodge and claimed both as uniquely their own.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 8:52:03 PM EDT
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I heard that Ford stole the engine mounting design from Chevy and the tranny mount design from Dodge and claimed both as uniquely their own. Fudged over rebuilt dodge. 
Ford's best selling truck is not they're fully loaded models smarty pants. Neither are the other guys. I know cars. Nothing past 2004 is really worth a damn. Anyways, the DD design, is rather similar to the F&D Defense 308. I could see where they might think that. I wouldn't doubt if DD saw it and liked it, and designed they're own style. Ford didn't invent the combustion motor, that's how it works. DD saw a way to improve they're design by looking at other's designs, and picking pieces from them. It's definitely not a copy, and i wouldn't say stolen, as much as inspired by. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 9:03:23 PM EDT
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Seems exactly the same to me.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 9:55:17 PM EDT
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Different barrel extension flanges for the very different uppers. It's 4 bolts in what looks like the same location. I guess your idea of "exactly" is completely different from mine.
I guess the Honda Ridgeline is the exact same as a Chevy avalanche 
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:35:38 AM EDT
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As far as functionality, it's exactly the same. It removes the barrel nut and holds the barrel and rail on by sandwiching the extension flange. No other rifles do that. It looks like a good way to do it. Which is why I'm guessing DD started using it, despite all their other previous rail designs.
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Posted: 9/28/2016 11:38:59 AM EDT
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For us that shoot suppressors, an adjustable gas block is a necessity. Not a luxury like you claim. For that price, it should include one and some sights. There is a few other options out there that are $700-$1000 cheaper and just as reliable. Pws, Midwest, Windham, Ruger etc... Did PWS or any of these other companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on RDT&E? DD spent years running pyramid and fleet testing on the DDV5V1, with 100,000 rounds fired through multiple rifles to work out all the kinks, rather than come to market with a bad copy of a bad copy of an untested gun. They approached the early unlocking issue with AR10s in a unique way, which is quite innovative. A better comparison would be LMT MWS for the quality, innovation, and cost. It isn't worth it to spend your money if the gun won't run. I've seen a lot of problems here and elsewhere with PWS. Midwest is new and not many people know they even make a .308 Win. For the price point, I would be shocked if they did pyramid testing with 100k rounds over 10 guns, then fleet-tested LRIP guns. Windham Weaponry is an untested loose copy of the DPMS Gen 1 guns, with barrel approach a la Bushmaster. New .308 Malfunctioning Same thing. The price point does not indicate a thorough testing regimen necessary to work out the kinks. If you are ok with a gun that malf's on a regular basis when you go shooting, then feel free to go cheap. The one exception to this is the ArmaLite DEF10. Since they have been doing this since 1996, they already went through the growing pains of offering a well-engineered .308 to the market, and have a ton of institutional knowledge invested in guns that already paid for themselves long ago. They have always had an economy line with their original name, Eagle Arms, and those guns are reliable in my experience. This new DDV5V1 has longer lock time and is very lightweight. For what they have put into it, it is well worth the price. You'll spend a lot more with your malf-o-matic franken-10 after it's all said and done, and still not have a reliable gun if you try to throw untested band-aid parts at it, in addition to ammo, gas, range fees, and time wasted. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 11:47:34 AM EDT
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They stopped fixed sights a long time ago. My point is, if you spend all this R&D to change how the barrel mounts up, why not do some R&D and put an easily adjustable gas block on it for suppressors. They are becoming more and more popular and you didn't include that ??? Just a head scratcher ! I just put a Slr on my Windham. I didn't mind doing it, cause I paid $1200 for the rifle, which also had a free float rail. At $2700, it better have one. You're assuming they didn't consider adjustable gas. This is one of the most RDT&E'd .308s on the market, unlike most of the others. The DDV5V1 stays locked longer than other AR10s and LR-308s because of the cam pin track. I looked at it in detail at SHOT, broken down. Even if you have excessive carrier speed, it will vent and allow the case to relax better than a gun with a short cam path. Adjustable gas is a band-aid for a problem, and not necessarily the best approach, especially when you look at port erosion and the feedback loop it creates. With certain barrel treatments, you can mitigate port erosion, but most people aren't willing to pay for barrels at those prices. Because of the DDV5V1's cam pin path, it's better equipped for suppressor use at the heart of the gun, without needing to mess with port flow. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 11:51:14 AM EDT
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The barrel mounting design was stolen from another manufacturer and then claimed by DD to be uniquely their own. Falkor Defense I believe. Maybe the entire pipe-fitting industry stole F&D's ideas too? 
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Posted: 9/28/2016 11:52:08 AM EDT
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For $2700 it should include a nightforce scope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not very many people own one. $2700 is way too much. Hell, it doesn't even have an adjustable gas block. For $2700 it should include a nightforce scope. That's the price of a NF scope alone. |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 11:52:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the entire pipe-fitting industry stole F&D's ideas too? http://www.lbindustrialsystems.com/images/LB%20Positive%20Seal%20Ash%20Transfer%20Piping%20System_img_0.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The barrel mounting design was stolen from another manufacturer and then claimed by DD to be uniquely their own. Falkor Defense I believe. Maybe the entire pipe-fitting industry stole F&D's ideas too? http://www.lbindustrialsystems.com/images/LB%20Positive%20Seal%20Ash%20Transfer%20Piping%20System_img_0.jpg F&D is a sue happy idiot. He sued LWRC and lost a few years ago |
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Posted: 9/28/2016 3:34:13 PM EDT
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The barrel mounting design was stolen from another manufacturer and then claimed by DD to be uniquely their own. Falkor Defense I believe. Maybe the entire pipe-fitting industry stole F&D's ideas too? http://www.lbindustrialsystems.com/images/LB%20Positive%20Seal%20Ash%20Transfer%20Piping%20System_img_0.jpg F&D is a sue happy idiot. He sued LWRC and lost a few years ago Was that the vendor that got banned on the Hide for advertising without permission multiple times? |
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