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Posted: 8/28/2014 4:40:58 PM EDT
So as you all have seen, a lot of things have been happening in the 6.5 Grendel market lately. In addition to the Elander mags, and long awaited arrival of the Wolf Steel Case 6.5 Grendel ammunition, Nosler and Norma announced plans to make 6.5 Grendel brass.
Here is a brief overview of the Nosler brass that I just received yesterday. 
They all weigh very consistently at around 111gr. Case mouths come chamfered already, and the flash holes are about .060". Head stamp is: NOSLER 6.5 Grendel Brass quality feels very solid to the touch, somewhere between Hornady and Lapua, but closer to Lapua. We'll see how well they last for number of firings, but my impressions off the bat are very positive, and higher than what I expected. They're sold as blems for some reason. Nosler 6.5 Grendel Brass |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 11:35:01 AM EDT
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Thanks for the report. Looks like fantastic brass for blems.
Though it's great to have another supplier of brass, particularly of such high quality, the 80 cent per case price makes it really tough to justify over the factory Hornady 123 grain loads. However, if the brass holds up very well to repeated firing, that would help with cost per loaded round. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 1:26:59 PM EDT
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The flashholes are probably deburred too.
I can't remember the weights of the Hornady brass but I've got 5 loads on some and it appears to still be ok. |
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Posted: 8/29/2014 2:07:53 PM EDT
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel 
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Posted: 9/1/2014 1:19:58 AM EDT
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 1:35:03 AM EDT
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. Sarcasm, some get it, others... do not. 
Thanks for the info, and it's blue skies for we Grendel enthusiasts! |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 11:57:40 AM EDT
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must suck having to getting excited over blem brass and steel cases
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Posted: 9/1/2014 4:16:50 PM EDT
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must suck having to getting excited over blem brass and steel cases You mean, like 6.8 fans getting excited over the mythical, steel-case Tula ammo? 
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Posted: 9/1/2014 4:29:18 PM EDT
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. I'm not hating, I was being sarcastic - ALERT ALERT ALERT here comes another sarcastic comment inbound!!! Is this brass for 6.5 Grendel or Grendel II ?
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Posted: 9/1/2014 4:48:08 PM EDT
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I'm not hating, I was being sarcastic - ALERT ALERT ALERT here comes another sarcastic comment inbound!!! Is this brass for 6.5 Grendel or Grendel II ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. I'm not hating, I was being sarcastic - ALERT ALERT ALERT here comes another sarcastic comment inbound!!! Is this brass for 6.5 Grendel or Grendel II ? I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:02:56 PM EDT
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must suck having to getting excited over blem brass and steel cases You mean, like 6.8 fans getting excited over the mythical, steel-case Tula ammo? No Stan, we dont care about steel cased crap, I would not use it, just like I wont in my 5.56. If I wanted fire steel cased ammo I would just get an AK47 |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:05:33 PM EDT
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I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. I'm not hating, I was being sarcastic - ALERT ALERT ALERT here comes another sarcastic comment inbound!!! Is this brass for 6.5 Grendel or Grendel II ? I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. True because theres no way to know what chamber a Grendel might have. Dont buy a used one at a gun show or pawn shop. Who knows what you will get. |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:06:32 PM EDT
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. Sorry Brandi no such thing, your Grendel boys jump in on everything 6.8 |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:14:32 PM EDT
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must suck having to getting excited over blem brass and steel cases You mean, like 6.8 fans getting excited over the mythical, steel-case Tula ammo? No Stan, we dont care about steel cased crap... As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger when they were surrounded by hostile Indians, "Waddaya mean, 'we,' white man?" Check 68forums. There are at least two threads there, in which a whole bunch of 6.8 fans were excited at the mere possibility of getting low cost, steel case ammo from Tula. Don't tell me they don't care. 
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Posted: 9/1/2014 5:34:36 PM EDT
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Looking forward to an update after you have shot it a bit.
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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:08:37 PM EDT
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I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. I'm not hating, I was being sarcastic - ALERT ALERT ALERT here comes another sarcastic comment inbound!!! Is this brass for 6.5 Grendel or Grendel II ? I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. Really please tell PTG  at least one poster here has questioned what barrel they had and found out it wasn't likely a grendel as they keep calling it
look a improved grendel , shoot may have to do another build 
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Posted: 9/1/2014 7:46:26 PM EDT
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I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. I'm not hating, I was being sarcastic - ALERT ALERT ALERT here comes another sarcastic comment inbound!!! Is this brass for 6.5 Grendel or Grendel II ? I'd say you used an appropriate smiley, because: a. Apparently you don't know the difference between a comment and a question. b. Apparently you don't know there is no such thing as a "Grendel II" chamber. - I've learned over the years that this is the get out of jail free smiley, I'm glad you dig it.
A. His statement opened the door for my joke, sorry it cuts against the grain of your literary expectations Professor B. Then what is this ? Grendel II products that exist! |
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Posted: 9/1/2014 9:08:00 PM EDT
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Get back on topic and leave the GD nonsense out of the discussion.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:15:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2014 4:21:43 AM EDT
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They're sold as blems for some reason. Probably because they are 6.5 Grendel This is a no hater zone. Sorry Brandi no such thing, your Grendel boys jump in on everything 6.8 Not even true, I've seen many folks on both sides remain civil while the rabid fanboys from both sides instigate arguments at every opportunity. There's no one side less guilty than the other despite what you may believe. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 5:57:25 PM EDT
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LRRPF52, thanks once again for sharing info. Brass looks pretty good, nice there is another source. I am still messing with the Hornady brass of the ammo I bought. Haven't even touched the Lapua cases I have.
Funny, the stuff that goes back and forth between the various AR-Caliber parties. I have a Grendel that has quickly become my favorite. The 6.8 SPC seems nice, but on a future project I will probably step the caliber up. 300 BLK or 458 are what most interest me at this point (but that could change). Actually all the info provided by everyone on each caliber makes this platform all the more interesting (and definitely more entertaining). 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:23:29 PM EDT
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This was meant to be a technical post and inform people about the availability of brass from Nosler, who had announced this back at SHOT in 2013 IIRC.
It has nothing to do with any other cartridge. It's nice to see additional major suppliers and manufacturers supporting alternatives in the AR15. Especially considering the quality and consistency of this brass, it offers something nice for hand-loaders and ammunition manufacturers. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:47:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI believe that is referring to the Type 2 barrel/bolt combo ... ie not the 762x39 bolt that was originally used in the grendel. It does not have anything to do with the SAMMI spec for grendel AFAIK. 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 6:51:37 PM EDT
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Please shoot it lots and report back, fingers are crossed the report comes with more CFE-223 power data to boot.
I'd like to buy 500 more cases this year, and the Nosler brass is on the short list. My Hornady Brass collected from shooting factory ammo doesn't stack up to the Lapua fodder :( but the ammo is GREAT stuff. I have some Lapua brass I'm working with, but my decaper pins are getting stuck in the flash hole(I'm looking for smaller dia. pins now). I swear I have some Lapua cases that deprime just fine with my current setup. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:11:37 PM EDT
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Grendel II is PTG's attempt to pull standardization away from SAAMI.
Some reamer makers hate sharpening and making reamers to the actual print, including many other cartridges. Easier for them to make their own designs and call it good. |
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Posted: 9/2/2014 8:35:10 PM EDT
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Grendel II is PTG's attempt to pull standardization away from SAAMI. Some reamer makers hate sharpening and making reamers to the actual print, including many other cartridges. Easier for them to make their own designs and call it good. wasn't 5 different found to be using the redesigned chamber after the Midway/ Satern Barrel fiasco in Dec ? then wasn't there was a group buy done that had the same thing . truth is without a chamber cast who knows which a person might have 
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Posted: 9/2/2014 10:29:46 PM EDT
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So technically speaking are Lapua, Nosler, Hornady using the SAAMI chamber specs for 6.5 Grendel or is there some playing towards the middle with the advent of 264LBC, 6.5 Sporter, Grendel II (which has nothing to do with Type 1 / Type 2 bolts).
And lets take this one step further, lets say the brass of the three mentioned above doesn't mic out to the same exact measurements for whatever reason, stuffing it into a 6.5 Grendel die is going to make a SAAMI spec reload. So.... It would be an interesting study to test all three makers of brass, factory fresh and not resized, across all caliber variants, for multiple barrels to see if one specific company's brass shoots better in a given barrel. Then do it all over again after sizing once fired brass and see if the results are the same. HTXH |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 12:27:19 PM EDT
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I hope Lapua jumps in as well , someday soon
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Posted: 9/7/2014 12:33:17 PM EDT
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I hope Lapua jumps in as well , someday soon Not sure if serious. 
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:21:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure if serious. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hope Lapua jumps in as well , someday soon Not sure if serious. Forgot about the PPC.....I'll be alright  |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:27:40 PM EDT
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doh! Forgot about the PPC.....I'll be alright
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I hope Lapua jumps in as well , someday soon Not sure if serious. Forgot about the PPC.....I'll be alright
Amazingly, it's cheaper than Norma and Nosler.
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/9531 |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:37:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazingly, it's cheaper than Norma and Nosler. http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/9531 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I hope Lapua jumps in as well , someday soon Not sure if serious. Forgot about the PPC.....I'll be alright Amazingly, it's cheaper than Norma and Nosler. http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/9531 Hmmm . . . . I wasnt aware that they made any , I assumed you were thinking of 7.62x39/220/6PPC stuff |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:43:14 PM EDT
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Amazingly, it's cheaper than Norma and Nosler.
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/9531 Hmmm . . . . I wasnt aware that they made any , I assumed you were thinking of 7.62x39/220/6PPC stuff The earliest Grendel brass AA ever offered was Lapua. Lapua was critical in the early development of the cartridge, as well. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:44:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The earliest Grendel brass AA ever offered was Lapua. Lapua was critical in the early development of the cartridge, as well. My memory is getting worse  |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:48:28 PM EDT
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So now we have 4 sources for brass and 3 for loaded ammo?
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Posted: 9/7/2014 4:24:05 PM EDT
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It's about time the western world started appreciating what the rest of the world has known for over a 100 years....the 6.5 in it's various incarnations is one heck of a caliber.
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Posted: 9/7/2014 6:18:43 PM EDT
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It's about time the western world started appreciating what the rest of the world has known for over a 100 years....the 6.5 in it's various incarnations is one heck of a caliber. This. Why some people only want to eat one type of ice cream is beyond me. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 2:13:01 PM EDT
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So now we have 4 sources for brass and 3 for loaded ammo? Last time I counted, there were at least 31 factory Grendel loads. There are some others I'm missing, but there is no reason to not have ammo for one for a myriad of hunting and target shooting applications. For brass, there is Lapua, Hornady, Nosler, PPU, Norma, and all the 7.62x39 brass, some of which has small rifle primer pockets to boot. Alexander Arms 120gr NBT 120gr TSX 123gr Scenar 129gr SST 130gr Swift Scirocco Hornady 123gr A-MAX 123gr SST Precision Firearms 100gr Nosler BT 100gr TTSX 100gr TAC-TX 100gr Scenar 107gr SMK 108gr Scenar 120gr TTSX 120gr TAC-TX 120gr NBT 120gr Scenar-L 120gr SMK 120gr A-MAX 123gr A-MAX 123gr Scenar 123gr SMK 123gr Nosler CC 123gr Silver Scenar 123gr SST 129gr Nosler Accubond-LR w/1300fps expansion 130gr Berger Hunting VLD 130gr Berger OTM Hybrid, Wolf 120gr MPT ($15/20) 123gr SPT 100gr Steel Case |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 3:57:21 PM EDT
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It's about time the western world started appreciating what the rest of the world has known for over a 100 years....the 6.5 in it's various incarnations is one heck of a caliber. This. Why some people only want to eat one type of ice cream is beyond me. I eat only vanilla ice cream, because it's the only flavor I like. 
When I was in my late 20's and early 30's, I could afford only a single long gun. I have to say, I got more pleasure shooting that M1 Carbine, than I did in later years when I owned a dozen different types and calibers of rifles. 
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Posted: 9/8/2014 6:23:11 PM EDT
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Last time I counted, there were at least 31 factory Grendel loads. There are some others I'm missing, but there is no reason to not have ammo for one for a myriad of hunting and target shooting applications. For brass, there is Lapua, Hornady, Nosler, PPU, Norma, and all the 7.62x39 brass, some of which has small rifle primer pockets to boot. Alexander Arms 120gr NBT 120gr TSX 123gr Scenar 129gr SST 130gr Swift Scirocco Hornady 123gr A-MAX 123gr SST Precision Firearms 100gr Nosler BT 100gr TTSX 100gr TAC-TX 100gr Scenar 107gr SMK 108gr Scenar 120gr TTSX 120gr TAC-TX 120gr NBT 120gr Scenar-L 120gr SMK 120gr A-MAX 123gr A-MAX 123gr Scenar 123gr SMK 123gr Nosler CC 123gr Silver Scenar 123gr SST 129gr Nosler Accubond-LR w/1300fps expansion 130gr Berger Hunting VLD 130gr Berger OTM Hybrid, Wolf 120gr MPT ($15/20) 123gr SPT 100gr Steel Case Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So now we have 4 sources for brass and 3 for loaded ammo? Last time I counted, there were at least 31 factory Grendel loads. There are some others I'm missing, but there is no reason to not have ammo for one for a myriad of hunting and target shooting applications. For brass, there is Lapua, Hornady, Nosler, PPU, Norma, and all the 7.62x39 brass, some of which has small rifle primer pockets to boot. Alexander Arms 120gr NBT 120gr TSX 123gr Scenar 129gr SST 130gr Swift Scirocco Hornady 123gr A-MAX 123gr SST Precision Firearms 100gr Nosler BT 100gr TTSX 100gr TAC-TX 100gr Scenar 107gr SMK 108gr Scenar 120gr TTSX 120gr TAC-TX 120gr NBT 120gr Scenar-L 120gr SMK 120gr A-MAX 123gr A-MAX 123gr Scenar 123gr SMK 123gr Nosler CC 123gr Silver Scenar 123gr SST 129gr Nosler Accubond-LR w/1300fps expansion 130gr Berger Hunting VLD 130gr Berger OTM Hybrid, Wolf 120gr MPT ($15/20) 123gr SPT 100gr Steel Case Nice list but online ammo search sites show very few items on hand to purchase, locally buddy found out it's order online or reload or shoot something else , luckily components are easy to find in MO. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 11:49:06 AM EDT
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Most of the loads above are in stock, despite what search engines say. I have notified hosts for search engines that they aren't including popular sources for Grendel ammo, but they run them the way they want. Most search bots are in the infancy stages of development, and don't show anywhere near what is available for certain calibers.
I rarely buy ammo or reloading components from brick and mortar stores, and it's been that way for years now. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 2:04:17 PM EDT
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Seems like a whole lot of GD discussion in here.....
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Posted: 9/9/2014 2:44:08 PM EDT
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Seems like a whole lot of GD discussion in here..... Any technical updates on the Nosler brass? I plan to load them up for my next pressure ladder trip. I have to decide if I am going to start them off with CFE or N530. The nice thing is that the mouths are already chamfered, which is what one would expect for the price. Biggest question will be how long the primer pockets last. I've been talking with Nosler for a few years now about offering a micro action turn bolt in 6.5 Grendel. It will be interesting to see if they start loading factory ammo now that they make brass and several great 6.5mm hunting bullets, like the 100gr NBT, 100gr Partition, 120gr NBT, 125gr Partition, and now the 129gr ABLR, which is already a factory load from Precision Firearms. Nosler recently acquired SSA, which gives them more capacity to manufacture components and ammunition. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 2:49:15 PM EDT
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This technical board is starting to look no different than General Discussion......
It would be nice if the Mods cracked down on both sides to clean this place up. If people sat around extolling the virtues of .303 British VS 7,92x57mm JS and slinging insults at each other to this degree you'd think they were daft. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 8:12:28 PM EDT
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We have a report function, hopefully the memberships is using it when things go astray.
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