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Posted: 4/6/2014 9:36:22 PM EDT
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Where did you get it? Looks good. What brand?
Can you take some pics of the internals |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 9:57:34 PM EDT
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I picked mine up off a guy on Armslist a couple weeks ago, but it is still bone stock. Unfortunately, some other projects will get my money before I start buying new stuff from Firebird or Tooth and Nail.
I gotta ask though, what do you shoot with it? Paper? Skeet? Sporting clays? 3gun? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 10:18:24 PM EDT
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Are there 2 round magazines available?
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Posted: 4/6/2014 10:28:39 PM EDT
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Are there 2 round magazines available? Yes. 2 round mags Im sure there are others, but I knew about these offhand |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:00:03 PM EDT
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Have they changed out them being entirely poly lowers?
or Changed out the poly feed lips? (had a buddy actually melt his from shooting it) |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:03:38 PM EDT
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SORTA WANT. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 5:15:16 AM EDT
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Have they changed out them being entirely poly lowers? or Changed out the poly feed lips? (had a buddy actually melt his from shooting it) No. The stock lowers are polymer. But most everyone replaces the stock ones with one from Firebird Precision Billet Lower The sky is the limit with these guns now. With parts from Firebird or Tooth and Nail Armory, most of the lower receiver becomes compatible with parts off your normal AR. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:12:30 AM EDT
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Are there aftermarket magazines out for these and if so how much are they? What about drums?
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:10:56 AM EDT
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Oh so these companies have made some aftermarket stuff to make it better. That is pretty good. When I first saw them come out there was lots of problems.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 11:00:03 AM EDT
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I've always liked the idea of these but i handled one and it felt like it had poor build quality. Your pics and post seem to alleviate some of my concerns though. Back in.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 12:27:13 PM EDT
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Does this thing have a tube mag along being able to be mag fed??
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:08:09 PM EDT
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Nope- mag fed only... The 2 ways to get 10 rd mags... Take the 2 5rd mags that come stock.. And get 10rd extensions from salem6. Or buy 10 rd factory mags from a host of players.. Usually 60-79$/ ea... Tooth and nail has a huge 23 rounder for those not in states like mine.(calif). Mine ... To be Cali legal with the 10 rd mag has to have both the Cali mag bullet button AND the magpul stock must be "pinned" in the location I want it... Oh well at least I could get one- I bought it from a guy in Idaho off gunbroker who takes the stock 1919 and does the conversion with cutting the polymer one piece stock, and replaces forend and gas block/piston... Work can be done DIY if you are good with a band saw... All the rest is plug n play...
Recommend the light spring and piston ring to shoot light loads outa the box... If not it will FTE a few light loads until broken in - 200-250 heavy loads... Mine worked great the first day... No FTE only one double feed out of 200 rds... |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:11:35 PM EDT
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Outa the box - factory... Kinda cheesy... But for about 5-600 more you get a very nice and well performing gun... Add 400 on top and you can get the firebird alum lower for even better... I might save some pennies and get one before they decide not to make anymore...
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:44:14 PM EDT
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referring to a gun as "her" is gay.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 3:16:36 PM EDT
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This is not GD.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 4:21:24 PM EDT
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I've been eyeballing these for awhile but held back due to lack of aftermarket support. Seems that is now changing after doing some googling.
if I ever snag one I think I would go with a SAS Firearms Billet Lower Reciever and an ACE Stock. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:54:09 PM EDT
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I think there is another company making aluminum lower now.
Here is mine with a tooth and nail hand guard and vortex strikefire. 
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:06:18 PM EDT
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So it's basically a Remington 1100 that takes magazines & AR furniture. Does it have choke tubes? If there are 2 round magazines, I"m thinking duck gun. Might get that NY pentagon magazine connector for it.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:11:41 PM EDT
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My heavely modded early XN model
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Posted: 4/7/2014 10:15:06 PM EDT
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Had no idea these existed.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 1:13:04 AM EDT
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I have been looking at these long and hard, even thinking about the Firebird lower. Do you have any idea how much the SAS lower will be selling for? I checked their website and there are no prices listed, just a contact form.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 5:10:02 AM EDT
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Since I've only seen these on the interweb, is the buffer tube/receiver extension required or merely a means by which to mount the stock? I'm wondering if its possible to install a side folder...
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Posted: 4/8/2014 1:22:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Have they changed out them being entirely poly lowers? or Changed out the poly feed lips? (had a buddy actually melt his from shooting it) No. The stock lowers are polymer. But most everyone replaces the stock ones with one from Firebird Precision Billet Lower The sky is the limit with these guns now. With parts from Firebird or Tooth and Nail Armory, most of the lower receiver becomes compatible with parts off your normal AR. Any of Y'all looking for a Firebird Aluminum lower for one of these I might know a guy that could make that happen on the cheap.  |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 2:15:53 PM EDT
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I think there is another company making aluminum lower now. Here is mine with a tooth and nail hand guard and vortex strikefire. <a href="http://s48.photobucket.com/user/jwb47/media/9992BF25-C86D-4E29-A0A6-A96AD54F3CFE-665-00000069036593EF_zps56cbe759.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f247/jwb47/9992BF25-C86D-4E29-A0A6-A96AD54F3CFE-665-00000069036593EF_zps56cbe759.jpg</a> SAS Firearms makes a one piece billet.. looks niiice! http://www.sasfirearms.com/servlet/StoreFront Don't have much info except what I have been reading in a thread on forum.saiga12.com |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 4:09:52 PM EDT
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This is one I converted for a buddy. After doing his and finding out about the sas lowers I finally ordered my own... |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 7:45:14 PM EDT
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I have been looking at these long and hard, even thinking about the Firebird lower. Do you have any idea how much the SAS lower will be selling for? I checked their website and there are no prices listed, just a contact form. They've only just done an early release to those that signed up and I think made a deposit. Rumor on the Saiga Forums has it retailing at about the same as a Fire Bird lower is, which is around $350 or so. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 8:13:16 PM EDT
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For those that have these, I've read about issues with the magazines making them unreliable.
Thoughts?
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Posted: 4/9/2014 1:13:32 AM EDT
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I dont know of any issues and mine is an early model. What i found odd was it came with two mags one for 2 3/4 shells and one for 3 inch . The 3 inch magazine works with either length shell and the 10 round mags do to . Why did they even bother with the 2 3/4 mag?
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:27:00 AM EDT
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I was really thinking about getting one. Started looking at some of the 3-gun sites, snipershide, etc.
In the late '12's, and into the '13's there was mention of there being magazine issues and several 3-gunners commenting on how they were jamomatics. I just don't see enough out there giving a solid idea on their performance.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:07:18 AM EDT
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I was really thinking about getting one. Started looking at some of the 3-gun sites, snipershide, etc. In the late '12's, and into the '13's there was mention of there being magazine issues and several 3-gunners commenting on how they were jamomatics. I just don't see enough out there giving a solid idea on their performance. This scared me away as well. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 5:43:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This scared me away as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was really thinking about getting one. Started looking at some of the 3-gun sites, snipershide, etc. In the late '12's, and into the '13's there was mention of there being magazine issues and several 3-gunners commenting on how they were jamomatics. I just don't see enough out there giving a solid idea on their performance. This scared me away as well. Most magazines need a little tuning and then they run 100% after that. All the tuning consists is basically tweeking (bending) the feedlips a bit. I've seen 1911 mags that needed the same tuning. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:17:09 AM EDT
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Since we are not a site sponsor(we have talked about it, don't think there is enough MKA traffic here to support it, YET
) I can't answer price/sales specific answers, I will answer any MKA questions you may have.
Thanks for the comments about our products  we try hard to have the best CS in the gun industry.
We will be handling the SAS lowers, most likely offer a, stripped lower, complete basic lower, optional upgrades(stock/grip), and a complete assembled gun, all the way to a full race ready SG I have been shooting this platform in 3gun since Aug. 2012 I would put the reliability right there with any semi-auto on the market, the first ones did have issues with the cheap bulk pack ammo, always ran 1300 fps and higher. Here's a vid we made yesterday?? converted my 3gun SG , 23 round mag SAS lower, with about every part we make, mainly just to show what's available Tooth and Nail MKA 23 rnd mag/SAS lower Here's my last 3gun match CMMG 3gun match |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 2:26:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since we are not a site sponsor(we have talked about it, don't think there is enough MKA traffic here to support it, YET ) I can't answer price/sales specific answers, I will answer any MKA questions you may have.Thanks for the comments about our products we try hard to have the best CS in the gun industry.We will be handling the SAS lowers, most likely offer a, stripped lower, complete basic lower, optional upgrades(stock/grip), and a complete assembled gun, all the way to a full race ready SG I have been shooting this platform in 3gun since Aug. 2012 I would put the reliability right there with any semi-auto on the market, the first ones did have issues with the cheap bulk pack ammo, always ran 1300 fps and higher. Here's a vid we made yesterday?? converted my 3gun SG , 23 round mag SAS lower, with about every part we make, mainly just to show what's available Tooth and Nail MKA 23 rnd mag/SAS lower Here's my last 3gun match CMMG 3gun match Where are you at in MO? Do you all have a physical store location, where say a guy like me with questions could bend your ear for a while, or do you prefer the email/phone method? |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:31:14 PM EDT
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We are in central MO, in the country outside of Versailles
While we don't have a retail store per-say , just a machine shop and office with A LOT of stuff in it. You're more than welcome to stop by or call , # is on the website. We can show you everything from a stock gun to our competition guns, let you burn a few rounds if your interested. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 7:37:18 PM EDT
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So...how much does it cost, once you do all the mods and such?
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Posted: 4/11/2014 6:42:34 AM EDT
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So...how much does it cost, once you do all the mods and such? See 3  4 posts above,
it's all available on the site, it's pretty easy to find. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 4:26:24 PM EDT
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Rhino Arms introduced an AR 12 ga. At SHOT this year.
www.rhinoarms.com Sorry for no hot link. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 6:04:05 PM EDT
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Rhino Arms introduced an AR 12 ga. At SHOT this year. www.rhinoarms.com Sorry for no hot link. Yea, but isn't that the one that uses proprietary ammo because it wouldn't feed regular shells? |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 1:01:39 AM EDT
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Since we are not a site sponsor(we have talked about it, don't think there is enough MKA traffic here to support it, YET ) I can't answer price/sales specific answers, I will answer any MKA questions you may have.
Thanks for the comments about our products we try hard to have the best CS in the gun industry.
We will be handling the SAS lowers, most likely offer a, stripped lower, complete basic lower, optional upgrades(stock/grip), and a complete assembled gun, all the way to a full race ready SG I have been shooting this platform in 3gun since Aug. 2012 I would put the reliability right there with any semi-auto on the market, the first ones did have issues with the cheap bulk pack ammo, always ran 1300 fps and higher. Here's a vid we made yesterday?? converted my 3gun SG , 23 round mag SAS lower, with about every part we make, mainly just to show what's available Tooth and Nail MKA 23 rnd mag/SAS lower Here's my last 3gun match CMMG 3gun match I just watched the video of the SAS lower, that thing looks really good. Are you going to be updating your website soon to add the SAS parts? |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 12:02:09 PM EDT
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We should have the details finalized By Tues or Wed.
Shot a match yesterday with it, shot about 90 rounds, had 1 FTF, not sure what happened. Pulled the trigger - CLICK - after ULSC, I looked for the round, couldn't find it. By that time of the day there were too many shells on the ground. RO said he THOUGHT it wasn't completely in battery. who knows . Anyway it's a nice piece of work. |
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Posted: 4/13/2014 4:30:48 PM EDT
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damn it, DAMN IT, I didn't know there were billet lowers for these... there goes another $1200 bucks sometime in the near future.. I'm gonna need a bigger safe, this is the only setup that makes sense for 3 gun in my mind...
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Posted: 4/15/2014 12:11:51 PM EDT
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Deal is done, we have them available.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 12:28:57 PM EDT
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Pricing? Date of availability?
Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:43:54 PM EDT
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Pricing? Date of availability? Thanks! You'll have to go to his website. He can't post prices until he buys an umptiump thousand $ site sponsorship. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 9:57:07 AM EDT
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You'll have to go to his website. He can't post prices until he buys an umptiump thousand $ site sponsorship. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pricing? Date of availability? Thanks! You'll have to go to his website. He can't post prices until he buys an umptiump thousand $ site sponsorship. Gotcha, guess I forgot about that one. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:58:44 PM EDT
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Just saw the update on your website, that looks really nice. I am stuck overseas until December, it's going to be a long wait to get one in my hands. That is definitely on the top of my list though.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:17:59 PM EDT
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It's a nice piece of work.
Shot my second 3gun match with it today
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Posted: 4/19/2014 5:27:51 PM EDT
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Id love to see a video with a Vepr12, custom Saiga and Custom Akdal side by side and be able to see all the intangibles that affect how they shoot. I still need a Vepr and to finish my Akdal and Saiga and can do it myself, but that is a ways off....... I always end up spending my money on something else. Guns make my eyes sparkle and wallet burn.
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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:18:22 PM EDT
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How do these things compare to say...a Vepr 12? The Vepr seems to be a better value at the going rate of $799 imo...
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:46:45 AM EDT
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How do these things compare to say...a Vepr 12? The Vepr seems to be a better value at the going rate of $799 imo... I don't own a Vepr, but I have shot one. I think if you are looking for a gun out of the box, buy it and run it, the Vepr 12, especially at $800, can't be beat. BUT, if you are more of a "build your own" or customize kind of guy then the MKA or Saiga beats out the Vepr12. I would probably give the edge to Saiga, since options for the MKA are still somewhat limited. But Saigas are quickly losing their lore, and I think for 3 gun and such, the MKA is better. All I lack is the Vepr, and Ill have all 3. So as you can see, I couldn't make a decision. 
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