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That is great news THS, congratulations!
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
so, ive got to ask...does this chambering have any potential for shooting subtonics? I know that is outside the original design parameters, but that bison armory subsonic 6.8 project got me thinking. Of course, it could be done? The specific question is whether it could be done w/ a heavyish .277 bullet that could cycle the action in a magazine length cartrigde? We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. Will these 1 in 7 barrels be able to also shoot supers as well and with the same accuracy? |
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Originally Posted By Cag40Navy:
Will these 1 in 7 barrels be able to also shoot supers as well and with the same accuracy? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cag40Navy:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
so, ive got to ask...does this chambering have any potential for shooting subtonics? I know that is outside the original design parameters, but that bison armory subsonic 6.8 project got me thinking. Of course, it could be done? The specific question is whether it could be done w/ a heavyish .277 bullet that could cycle the action in a magazine length cartrigde? We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. Will these 1 in 7 barrels be able to also shoot supers as well and with the same accuracy? We are assuming so... since Bison says their BSP does as well... with 1:7 twist. We'll have to see but they publish in writing that they're BSP 1:7 barrels will shoot 6.8SPC subs and supers so we see no reason why it wouldn't in the Wolverine. Especially since velocity is a tad bit less in super with the Wolverine. Now, that being said, if you somehow try to push a 75 grain frangible at max load I would say that perhaps you may see some issues with that. Don't know for sure, though. They say it works fine, so again we assume it will, too. We will have to see. |
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Originally Posted By Cag40Navy:
Will these 1 in 7 barrels be able to also shoot supers as well and with the same accuracy? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cag40Navy:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
so, ive got to ask...does this chambering have any potential for shooting subtonics? I know that is outside the original design parameters, but that bison armory subsonic 6.8 project got me thinking. Of course, it could be done? The specific question is whether it could be done w/ a heavyish .277 bullet that could cycle the action in a magazine length cartrigde? We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. Will these 1 in 7 barrels be able to also shoot supers as well and with the same accuracy? yeah BO has sort of established that the whole overstabiliy concerns are overblown, at least w/ lower velocity supersonic centirefire cartridges. Sometimes 22lr can overstabile and spin apart, or maybe with really fast chamberings (eg weatherby etc) it is diffent, but there really doesn't seem to be any detriment on accuracy in overtwisted barrels in many applications. Anyway OP, that is cool that COAL w/ some 150 g bullets isn't a limiting factor. IMO, a select fire SBR that could shoot ca 150 g subs and instantly switch to 277 supers w/o a better all around gun than 300 BO. It woudl be more like a 9mm SMG to med power assault rifle w/ better external ballisitcs and less recoil. Of course, that is not to say the the chambering isn't already excellent as a dedicated supersonic. Congrats on the SAAMI submittal |
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Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
yeah BO has sort of established that the whole overstabiliy concerns are overblown, at least w/ lower velocity supersonic centirefire cartridges. Sometimes 22lr can overstabile and spin apart, or maybe with really fast chamberings (eg weatherby etc) it is diffent, but there really doesn't seem to be any detriment on accuracy in overtwisted barrels in many applications. Anyway OP, that is cool that COAL w/ some 150 g bullets isn't a limiting factor. IMO, a select fire SBR that could shoot ca 150 g subs and instantly switch to 277 supers w/o a better all around gun than 300 BO. It woudl be more like a 9mm SMG to med power assault rifle w/ better external ballisitcs and less recoil. Of course, that is not to say the the chambering isn't already excellent as a dedicated supersonic. Congrats on the SAAMI submittal View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
Originally Posted By Cag40Navy:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
so, ive got to ask...does this chambering have any potential for shooting subtonics? I know that is outside the original design parameters, but that bison armory subsonic 6.8 project got me thinking. Of course, it could be done? The specific question is whether it could be done w/ a heavyish .277 bullet that could cycle the action in a magazine length cartrigde? We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. Will these 1 in 7 barrels be able to also shoot supers as well and with the same accuracy? yeah BO has sort of established that the whole overstabiliy concerns are overblown, at least w/ lower velocity supersonic centirefire cartridges. Sometimes 22lr can overstabile and spin apart, or maybe with really fast chamberings (eg weatherby etc) it is diffent, but there really doesn't seem to be any detriment on accuracy in overtwisted barrels in many applications. Anyway OP, that is cool that COAL w/ some 150 g bullets isn't a limiting factor. IMO, a select fire SBR that could shoot ca 150 g subs and instantly switch to 277 supers w/o a better all around gun than 300 BO. It woudl be more like a 9mm SMG to med power assault rifle w/ better external ballisitcs and less recoil. Of course, that is not to say the the chambering isn't already excellent as a dedicated supersonic. Congrats on the SAAMI submittal You got it sir. If we can get the 180's to run well, and get a better supply of them, we'll be golden. I now I can load the 180's within COAL/mag restrictions, as I have made a couple dummy rounds already. There's still enough room for enough powder to push them as well. How they will actually perform is the unknown. But, we'll know soon enough. |
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180s? I read 150's. Cool.
You say the 150's worked. Do you mean they were accurate w/ the standard twist or that when loaded to like 1000 fps cycled the action of a gun previously set up to run supersonics? |
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Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
180s? I read 150's. Cool. You say the 150's worked. Do you mean they were accurate w/ the standard twist or that when loaded to like 1000 fps cycled the action of a gun previously set up to run supersonics? View Quote The 150's ran through a 1:11 twist barrel with the port opened up a little bit. This was on a 10.5" barrel. The supers were not severely overgassed following. I don't want to put out raw numbers (port sizes, etc) until we get it all figured out. The 150's through the 1:11 showed a few rounds starting to keyhole at 75 yards. That's expected. In the 1:7 twist we doubt we'll see any of that. Once we get the 150 loads and 180 loads settled, and experiment further with the gas port size, we'l know how easy it will be to switch from subs to supers. |
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Looker & a shooter!
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
so, ive got to ask...does this chambering have any potential for shooting subtonics? I know that is outside the original design parameters, but that bison armory subsonic 6.8 project got me thinking. Of course, it could be done? The specific question is whether it could be done w/ a heavyish .277 bullet that could cycle the action in a magazine length cartrigde? View Quote We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. View Quote The 1/7 will make a big difference. Couples thing to note here: First is the stability was already decent down to 11.5grns with velocity in the mid-1100's. Dropping that final .2grns showed some irregularity IIRC. Went as low as 10.5 & retained functionality with proper port size. Secondly is the tighter twist will help with uniform pressure build on the SRP cases. LRP may be more forgiving in consistency in the lower charges but the 1/7 will definitely help & may be enough to get 11.3 to work with standard port size. Time & testing will tell. |
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Originally Posted By gtfoxy:
Looker & a shooter! The 1/7 will make a big difference. Couples thing to note here: First is the stability was already decent down to 11.5grns with velocity in the mid-1100's. Dropping that final .2grns showed some irregularity IIRC. Went as low as 10.5 & retained functionality with proper port size. Secondly is the tighter twist will help with uniform pressure build on the SRP cases. LRP may be more forgiving in consistency in the lower charges but the 1/7 will definitely help & may be enough to get 11.3 to work with standard port size. Time & testing will tell. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By gtfoxy:
Looker & a shooter! Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By JSmithXYY:
so, ive got to ask...does this chambering have any potential for shooting subtonics? I know that is outside the original design parameters, but that bison armory subsonic 6.8 project got me thinking. Of course, it could be done? The specific question is whether it could be done w/ a heavyish .277 bullet that could cycle the action in a magazine length cartrigde? We'll know shortly... we've had 150 grain subs run fine through a 1:11 twis barrel. We have some 1:7 twist barrels coming in like the BSP and some 180 grain Woodleigh bullets to try with them. Should work just fine as like the BLK it will be easy to get case fill with the smaller case. 11.2 grains of Norma 200 was used to push the 150's so we'll try some other more available powders as well with the 180's. The 1/7 will make a big difference. Couples thing to note here: First is the stability was already decent down to 11.5grns with velocity in the mid-1100's. Dropping that final .2grns showed some irregularity IIRC. Went as low as 10.5 & retained functionality with proper port size. Secondly is the tighter twist will help with uniform pressure build on the SRP cases. LRP may be more forgiving in consistency in the lower charges but the 1/7 will definitely help & may be enough to get 11.3 to work with standard port size. Time & testing will tell. Thanks for the feedback gtfoxy! |
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Thought I would just drop off these pics to provide an update on what the WLV has been up to besides dropping deer, hogs and varmints all over the country. Beautiful part is, minimal alteration was needed to convert it form 5.56 to 277 Wolverine. The first WLV SAW barrel itself has been chambered and rough turned; should be up and running shortly. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/2097616.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/2097612.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/20976111.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/21310361.jpg View Quote Nice! Any updates on 18" SS Barrels? |
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Mark, any plans on doing a rifle gas length 20" barrel in the near future ?
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16" and 18" are due in any day now. Just waiting for the shipped notice and invoice. Broke a reamer, caused a nasty delay. Back up now.
Vic - we didn't plan to do 20" but will probably get a batch done since folks have been asking for them. The 20" Savage we put together gets 2800fps with a 100AB. Not that the AR barrel will match that, but that's a ood number! It will probably still be mid-length gas, though. |
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
16" and 18" are due in any day now. Just waiting for the shipped notice and invoice. Broke a reamer, caused a nasty delay. Back up now. Vic - we didn't plan to do 20" but will probably get a batch done since folks have been asking for them. The 20" Savage we put together gets 2800fps with a 100AB. Not that the AR barrel will match that, but that's a ood number! It will probably still be mid-length gas, though. View Quote While I prefer rifle gas, mid gas will still work just fine in a 20" barreled version...Thanks Mark. |
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Originally Posted By Dr69er:
While I prefer rifle gas, mid gas will still work just fine in a 20" barreled version...Thanks Mark. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
16" and 18" are due in any day now. Just waiting for the shipped notice and invoice. Broke a reamer, caused a nasty delay. Back up now. Vic - we didn't plan to do 20" but will probably get a batch done since folks have been asking for them. The 20" Savage we put together gets 2800fps with a 100AB. Not that the AR barrel will match that, but that's a ood number! It will probably still be mid-length gas, though. While I prefer rifle gas, mid gas will still work just fine in a 20" barreled version...Thanks Mark. I hear ya, but the cartridge might not like a rifle gas system without a port the size of Kentucky. |
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Wa-hoooo!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI9p04Ew_QU Edit: Crap - why YouTube video no-worky? at least the link works. 277 Wolverine SAW in action folks! |
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Originally Posted By GI_Brat:
Nice! Any updates on 18" SS Barrels? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GI_Brat:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Thought I would just drop off these pics to provide an update on what the WLV has been up to besides dropping deer, hogs and varmints all over the country. Beautiful part is, minimal alteration was needed to convert it form 5.56 to 277 Wolverine. The first WLV SAW barrel itself has been chambered and rough turned; should be up and running shortly. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/2097616.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/2097612.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/20976111.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/21310361.jpg Nice! Any updates on 18" SS Barrels? They'll be here next week bud. |
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
They'll be here next week bud. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By GI_Brat:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Thought I would just drop off these pics to provide an update on what the WLV has been up to besides dropping deer, hogs and varmints all over the country. Beautiful part is, minimal alteration was needed to convert it form 5.56 to 277 Wolverine. The first WLV SAW barrel itself has been chambered and rough turned; should be up and running shortly. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/2097616.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/2097612.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/20976111.jpg http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/TheHomelandSoldier/21310361.jpg Nice! Any updates on 18" SS Barrels? They'll be here next week bud. |
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier: A little 277 Wolverine Full Auto fun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEPwCT6PM0U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEPwCT6PM0U View Quote Take the s off the https when you post YouTube videos, and don't double up the http like you did above. |
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Thanks!
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That video...might have just put me over the edge on a build...
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Just got more 18" barrels in... not many but a few.
10.5" 1:7 twist barrels came in, too. SUBS time! |
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Just got a large batch of 18" barrels in, and giving a handful away at $150 shipped as a promo.
Go to maddogweapons.com, store, Wolverine products... |
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Originally Posted By backbencher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEPwCT6PM0U Take the s off the https when you post YouTube videos, and don't double up the http like you did above. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher:
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier: A little 277 Wolverine Full Auto fun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEPwCT6PM0U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEPwCT6PM0U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEPwCT6PM0U Take the s off the https when you post YouTube videos, and don't double up the http like you did above. |
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Any idea when you will have dies available?
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I took you up on that promo, thanks for the great deal and fast shipping! I can't wait to get it built and shooting.
Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Just got a large batch of 18" barrels in, and giving a handful away at $150 shipped as a promo. Go to maddogweapons.com, store, Wolverine products... View Quote |
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Just bought a spikes receiver set for a song at the gun show. Just started reloading and cutting brass for 300 blk (so I'm not all that scared of it any more)... barrels for a .223 wildcat at $150? I think I need to read the rest of this thread to see how this compares to 300 blk and maybe I'll grab one if these barrels barrels tonight.
While I intend to read this thread tonight. Anyone wanna give me cliff's notes on how it compares to 300 and, further, how viable it is for hunting small to medium game? |
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It's better than the .300 on velocity and energy. It can be made subsonic as well with the proper barrel/twist. Do the research. Check out the website/forum mentioned above for maddogweapons.
With careful reloads, it rivals and virtually equals the 6.8 spc except that you can use everything else you would for 5.56, except barrel. It is an awesome little round that is surprisingly bigger than its britches. Just remember that you will not have excess with it, but it is just right. It excels in the up to 200+ yard range for hunting. |
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If you don't want to modify brass you have a couple options... You can get pre-done once fired from JBFA IIRC for $150/1,000pcs. It is good quality & they ship quick if in stock. If you have brass yo can send it to him & he will do it for you. I don't do my own brass I just let him do it.
Visit the WLV Forum & look around. |
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I think I'm gonna have to go for it. Worst case, a quick barrel change ans I'm back to 5.56 or 300 blk. What's to lose?
Edit: op. Any way to still get that $150 promo on the 18" barrel? Is be happy to purchase that and a set of dies right now. PM me please |
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
I think I'm gonna have to go for it. Worst case, a quick barrel change ans I'm back to 5.56 or 300 blk. What's to lose? Edit: op. Any way to still get that $150 promo on the 18" barrel? Is be happy to purchase that and a set of dies right now. PM me please View Quote Received your email, and replied. |
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
I think I'm gonna have to go for it. Worst case, a quick barrel change ans I'm back to 5.56 or 300 blk. What's to lose? Edit: op. Any way to still get that $150 promo on the 18" barrel? Is be happy to purchase that and a set of dies right now. PM me please View Quote Welcome to the club! My prediction is it will become your favorite cartridge. With all the neck earring of 556, just buy 277 pills & powder & keep on trucking. I just got my 18" in the other day. |
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yes welcome to the club, Mark will surely treat you right and soon the wlv will replace your 556
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Well, I'm all in ay this point. Barrel, dies, and bolt purchased!
Time to find some reloading data. I hope at least one of the powders I have will work until I can find something optimal. |
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Well, I'm all in ay this point. Barrel, dies, and bolt purchased! Time to find some reloading data. I hope at least one of the powders I have will work until I can find something optimal. View Quote Order received - should ship out tomorrow. Here's the link to the 277 Wolverine forum where there is a ton of load data and other pertinent information posted: Thanks! mdws.forumchitchat.com |
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Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Order received - should ship out tomorrow. Here's the link to the 277 Wolverine forum where there is a ton of load data and other pertinent information posted: Thanks! mdws.forumchitchat.com View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheHomelandSoldier:
Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
Well, I'm all in ay this point. Barrel, dies, and bolt purchased! Time to find some reloading data. I hope at least one of the powders I have will work until I can find something optimal. Order received - should ship out tomorrow. Here's the link to the 277 Wolverine forum where there is a ton of load data and other pertinent information posted: Thanks! mdws.forumchitchat.com Woo! Just waiting for approval on the forums. |
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What are you guys loads and FPS for the 82 grain raptor out of an 18" barrel ?
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Thanks
I already load these in 6.8 SPC so was curious. What powder ? A1680 ? |
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If you have 1680, it is like gold in the .277 Wlv.
I have not been able to put my hands on any for testing, but those that have it, have had really good results. |
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Well hell! I've decided to put my 6.8 SPC stuff up for sale.
Mark, I've sent you an email concerning an 18" barrel. |
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