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Posted: 7/14/2013 3:54:27 PM
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Ar15performace.com is working on a new cartridge for the AR-15 platform that promises to deliver game changing performance. If your thinking that sounds like a 6.8SPC think again. The 270AR will deliver at 200FPS more velocity from any barrel length compared to 6.8SPC. That 200FPS boost pretty much over comes the advantage that the 6.5 Grendel has in long range over the 6.8SPC. In other words this new cartridge will threaten the argument for getting either cartridge. Not that the 6.8SPC and 6.5 Grendel shops will pack up and go home this is a wildcat cartridge and will only be for home hand loaders.

Hand loaders should be able to load from 85gr to 140gr bullets making the cartridge applicable for varmints to medium sized game such a hogs, deer, antelope and caribou. I would expect some of the more adventurous to go after Elk with 140gr Berger VLD's. I don't have velocities for a 140 gr but even if we assume 2700FPS which is a low estimate we are in the big game range for Elk according to HITS. I know many traditional hunters think a .270 is to small for Elk but many Elk have been taken with a .270. Chuck Hawks tackles this subject here saying the 270 is adequate in his opinion but acknowledge's many hunters consider it an ideal ELK caliber. The 270AR though is not an equivalent to a 270 bolt. As much as the 270AR has on the 6.8SPC the 270 bolt has on the 270AR. Still expect to hear Elk stories in the future from 270AR hunters.

The parent brass will be 6.5 Lapua or 6.5 Creedmore. The 6.5 Lapua is the preferred brass because its thinner and will hold more powder. The 6.5 Creedmore will maybe have a 50 FPS drop in performance from the Lapua due to less powder capacity according to the designers estimates. Hand loaders will take these parent brass cases and cut them down and reshape them using a modified 6.5 lapua reshaping die. No complicated fire forming required. This process will be very similar to what hand loaders are doing now with 5.56mm brass to make it 300 Blk brass.

From a 18in barrel the Hornady 120gr SST is going at 2860FPS and the 130g Berger VLD is getting around 2800FPS from a 20in barrel. The designer estimates that a 110gr bullet should be at or close to 3000FPS. Typically a 6.5mm Grendel max powder capacity is around 29gr compared to around 39gr of powder for the 270AR. This added push out the barrel makes up for the higher BC that the 6.5mm enjoys giving the 270AR much lower drops over long distance shooting. I put together a chart to compare the Grendel to the 270AR shooting 130gr bullets. I couldn't find numbers of a 6.8SPC for the 130gr to do a comparison for this gr size. Be mindful of the barrel length in this comparison because the Grendel has a 4 in barrel length advantage in this data. Read more at the the parent thread over at the 6.8SPC forum. ar15performance.com will be selling the barrels and bolt combos for 400 bucks.




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Posted: 7/14/2013 4:17:55 PM
Dang!! If the drop at 1000 is accurate that is pretty nasty!
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Posted: 7/14/2013 4:20:45 PM
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Dang!! If the drop at 1000 is accurate that is pretty nasty!


I used this ballistic calc to run the numbers. http://www.handloads.com/calc/
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Your links don't work
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Posted: 7/14/2013 4:42:04 PM
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Posted: 7/14/2013 6:38:40 PM
Bullet drop and velocity is not the most important factor to look at when comparing long range cartridges. It is a constant and will have to be accounted for no matter what you are shooting. What matters is wind deflection and stability. Will it beat all the other cartridges in other aspects?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 10:56:52 PM
It is still a little early to tell on this cartridge, H is just discussing it over on the 68 forums, this will be basically a step up in hunting cartridges for the AR15 platform.

It is an interesting project and once the rifles get built we will know more info on how it will work out.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 11:40:04 PM
Looks interesting I might have to wait on building a 6.5 and see how the 270AR pans out.
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Posted: 7/15/2013 8:45:35 AM
Looks like i found my next wildcat for the lonely upper in my tool box.
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Your comparison is for two very different bullets. A VLD against an Accubond BT? Kinda one sided.

If the Grendel only has a case capacity of 29 gr, how on earth am I cramming 31.2 gr of Win 748 in that little case?

And I have a 20" barrel, not 24.

I can't post my ballistics chart so if anyone has any idea how to do it, let me know.
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Posted: 7/15/2013 3:56:19 PM
Originally Posted By Clarinath:
Your comparison is for two very different bullets. A VLD against an Accubond BT? Kinda one sided.

If the Grendel only has a case capacity of 29 gr, how on earth am I cramming 31.2 gr of Win 748 in that little case?

And I have a 20" barrel, not 24.

I can't post my ballistics chart so if anyone has any idea how to do it, let me know.


748 is ball powder isn't it?? That's a lot of powder. Curious as to what kind of velocity you are getting. I am using 28.3 grains of 8208XBR over a CCI 450 and under a 123 AMAX. I haven't gotten to chrono due to lack of having one but I get really good groups. I have a 24" Grendel and doubt I would fool with another "odd" cartridge. I'm not saying they are bad, just sucks trying to hunt down parts for the wildcats.
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How about comparing a 20" Grendel to a 20" .270AR SPR using the 130gr VLD for both?

6.5 Grendel 20" Barrel, 2.5" Optic Height, 130gr Berger VLD, .582 BC G1, 2450fps mv

       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift

(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)
0 2450 1733 -2.50 0.0000 0.00
100 2303 1530 0.00 0.1263 -0.68
200 2160 1347 -4.06 0.2608 -2.81
300 2023 1181 -15.59 0.4043 -6.52
400 1891 1032 -35.61 0.5577 -11.97
500 1765 899 -65.37 0.7219 -19.32
600 1645 781 -106.30 0.8979 -28.76
700 1533 678 -160.09 1.0869 -40.48
800 1428 588 -228.71 1.2897 -54.64
900 1332 512 -314.40 1.5074 -71.41
1000 1247 449 -419.70 1.7403 -90.87


270 ARP, 20" Barrel, 2.5" Optic Height, 130gr Berger VLD, .452 BC G1, 2775fps

       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift

(yards) (fps) (ft-lb) (inches) (sec) (inches)
0 2775 2223 -2.50 0.0000 0.00
100 2572 1909 -0.00 0.1123 -0.74
200 2377 1631 -2.77 0.2336 -3.08
300 2192 1386 -11.70 0.3651 -7.19
400 2014 1171 -27.89 0.5078 -13.30
500 1846 984 -52.66 0.6634 -21.66
600 1688 822 -87.67 0.8334 -32.55
700 1540 685 -134.91 1.0195 -46.29
800 1406 571 -196.84 1.2235 -63.17
900 1288 479 -276.38 1.4466 -83.42
1000 1187 407 -376.92 1.6895 -107.16


The .270 ARP will keep the bullet over 1800fps longer, because it starts with over 300fps more mv. Neck the .270 ARP down to 6.5mm and you have something really cool, especially with the new Nosler Accubond Long-Range 129gr ABLR with a .562 BC. Pushing that from an AR15 at 2700fps would make a great hunting rifle for the few people that are capable of exploiting those ballistics at distance. Look at the wind drift between the two as well. It shows that a Grendel still beats a .270 Berger 130gr going over 300fps faster.

For everyone else, the Grendel and 6.8 do just fine as off-the-shelf solutions for your common hunting distances. That said, a 22" Grendel has been used to kill Antelope at 752yds by an experienced long-range hunter using the 123gr A-MAX.

There is another wildcat cartridge that will push a 140gr 6.5mm from an AR15 faster than a .260 Rem can from an AR10. Pressure-testing has already achieved 3200fps with a 140gr 6.5mm.

I still applaud the evolution of AR15-compatible, high-performance cartridges like the .270 ARP that offer hunters and competitors more options from a ubiquitous, lightweight rifle frame that continues to serve us well. It's great to have currently-available, low-recoil solutions that even my kids can hunt with, that maintain a lot of energy downrange.
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Posted: 7/15/2013 5:24:54 PM
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
How about comparing a 20" Grendel to a 20" .270AR SPR using the 130gr VLD for both?

6.5 Grendel 20" Barrel, 2.5" Optic Height, 130gr Berger VLD, .582 BC G1, 2450fps mv

       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift      (yards)     (fps)     (ft-lb)     (inches)         (sec)       (inches)          0      2450        1733          -2.50         0.0000         0.00        100      2303        1530           0.00         0.1263        -0.68        200      2160        1347          -4.06         0.2608        -2.81        300      2023        1181         -15.59         0.4043        -6.52        400      1891        1032         -35.61         0.5577       -11.97        500      1765         899         -65.37         0.7219       -19.32        600      1645         781        -106.30         0.8979       -28.76        700      1533         678        -160.09         1.0869       -40.48        800      1428         588        -228.71         1.2897       -54.64        900      1332         512        -314.40         1.5074       -71.41       1000      1247         449        -419.70         1.7403       -90.87


270 ARP, 20" Barrel, 2.5" Optic Height, 130gr Berger VLD, .452 BC G1, 2775fps

       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift      (yards)     (fps)     (ft-lb)     (inches)         (sec)       (inches)          0      2775        2223          -2.50         0.0000         0.00        100      2572        1909          -0.00         0.1123        -0.74        200      2377        1631          -2.77         0.2336        -3.08        300      2192        1386         -11.70         0.3651        -7.19        400      2014        1171         -27.89         0.5078       -13.30        500      1846         984         -52.66         0.6634       -21.66        600      1688         822         -87.67         0.8334       -32.55        700      1540         685        -134.91         1.0195       -46.29        800      1406         571        -196.84         1.2235       -63.17        900      1288         479        -276.38         1.4466       -83.42       1000      1187         407        -376.92         1.6895      -107.16


The .270 ARP will keep the bullet over 1800fps longer, because it starts with over 300fps more mv. Neck the .270 ARP down to 6.5mm and you have something really cool, especially with the new Nosler Accubond Long-Range 129gr ABLR with a .562 BC. Pushing that from an AR15 at 2700fps would make a great hunting rifle for the few people that are capable of exploiting those ballistics at distance. Look at the wind drift between the two as well. It shows that a Grendel still beats a .270 Berger 130gr going over 300fps faster.

For everyone else, the Grendel and 6.8 do just fine as off-the-shelf solutions for your common hunting distances. That said, a 22" Grendel has been used to kill Antelope at 752yds by an experienced long-range hunter using the 123gr A-MAX.

There is another wildcat cartridge that will push a 140gr 6.5mm from an AR15 faster than a .260 Rem can from an AR10. Pressure-testing has already achieved 3200fps with a 140gr 6.5mm.

I still applaud the evolution of AR15-compatible, high-performance cartridges like the .270 ARP that offer hunters and competitors more options from a ubiquitous, lightweight rifle frame that continues to serve us well. It's great to have currently-available, low-recoil solutions that even my kids can hunt with, that maintain a lot of energy downrange.

Gonna need some backup on that one.
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Posted: 7/15/2013 5:33:17 PM
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:

The .270 ARP will keep the bullet over 1800fps longer, because it starts with over 300fps more mv. Neck the .270 ARP down to 6.5mm and you have something really cool, especially with the new Nosler Accubond Long-Range 129gr ABLR with a .562 BC. Pushing that from an AR15 at 2700fps would make a great hunting rifle for the few people that are capable of exploiting those ballistics at distance. Look at the wind drift between the two as well. It shows that a Grendel still beats a .270 Berger 130gr going over 300fps faster.

For everyone else, the Grendel and 6.8 do just fine as off-the-shelf solutions for your common hunting distances. That said, a 22" Grendel has been used to kill Antelope at 752yds by an experienced long-range hunter using the 123gr A-MAX.

There is another wildcat cartridge that will push a 140gr 6.5mm from an AR15 faster than a .260 Rem can from an AR10. Pressure-testing has already achieved 3200fps with a 140gr 6.5mm.

I still applaud the evolution of AR15-compatible, high-performance cartridges like the .270 ARP that offer hunters and competitors more options from a ubiquitous, lightweight rifle frame that continues to serve us well. It's great to have currently-available, low-recoil solutions that even my kids can hunt with, that maintain a lot of energy downrange.



I would like to see the proof of that one. 140gn bullet at 3200fps in a round that fits the ar15 I will call bs on this one till it is proved
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Posted: 7/15/2013 5:56:59 PM
I have yet to witness the performance 1st-hand, so color me equally skeptical, aside from the fact that the case will only single-stack in the AR15 frame. I'll get a hold of the guys working on it and confirm that I heard correctly.
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
I have yet to witness the performance 1st-hand, so color me equally skeptical, aside from the fact that the case will only single-stack in the AR15 frame. I'll get a hold of the guys working on it and confirm that I heard correctly.

Longing for .264 Win Mag performance in an AR-15 is a bit misplaced in my opinion.
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Originally Posted By tumbleweed:

Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
I have yet to witness the performance 1st-hand, so color me equally skeptical, aside from the fact that the case will only single-stack in the AR15 frame. I'll get a hold of the guys working on it and confirm that I heard correctly.

Longing for .264 Win Mag performance in an AR-15 is a bit misplaced in my opinion.


I just did a sanity check, and the .264 Win Mag maxes out at 3000fps with 140gr.

The guys doing the testing did mention over-pressure testing, so maybe the 3200fps was achieved when they tested the max case pressure. The cases didn't fail, but the brass was trash of course.

The case uses a rebated rim to .473", with a much fatter body. Case capacity is well over 40 grains. They said the pressure-safe loads were definitely beating .260 Remington with 140gr.

Cases like the .270 ARP, .30 RAR necked down, and some other wildcats that will provide magnum performance from an AR15 will simply help promote the increasing popularity of the AR15 as an even more viable hunting system into the future.
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Posted: 7/15/2013 9:54:21 PM
Compared to a 6.8SPC. The 6.8SPC has a 2in barrel advantage in this comparison.

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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
How about comparing a 20" Grendel to a 20" .270AR SPR using the 130gr VLD for both?

6.5 Grendel 20" Barrel, 2.5" Optic Height, 130gr Berger VLD, .582 BC G1, 2450fps mv

       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift      (yards)     (fps)     (ft-lb)     (inches)         (sec)       (inches)          0      2450        1733          -2.50         0.0000         0.00        100      2303        1530           0.00         0.1263        -0.68        200      2160        1347          -4.06         0.2608        -2.81        300      2023        1181         -15.59         0.4043        -6.52        400      1891        1032         -35.61         0.5577       -11.97        500      1765         899         -65.37         0.7219       -19.32        600      1645         781        -106.30         0.8979       -28.76        700      1533         678        -160.09         1.0869       -40.48        800      1428         588        -228.71         1.2897       -54.64        900      1332         512        -314.40         1.5074       -71.41       1000      1247         449        -419.70         1.7403       -90.87


270 ARP, 20" Barrel, 2.5" Optic Height, 130gr Berger VLD, .452 BC G1, 2775fps

       Range    Velocity    Energy     Trajectory         TOF          Drift      (yards)     (fps)     (ft-lb)     (inches)         (sec)       (inches)          0      2775        2223          -2.50         0.0000         0.00        100      2572        1909          -0.00         0.1123        -0.74        200      2377        1631          -2.77         0.2336        -3.08        300      2192        1386         -11.70         0.3651        -7.19        400      2014        1171         -27.89         0.5078       -13.30        500      1846         984         -52.66         0.6634       -21.66        600      1688         822         -87.67         0.8334       -32.55        700      1540         685        -134.91         1.0195       -46.29        800      1406         571        -196.84         1.2235       -63.17        900      1288         479        -276.38         1.4466       -83.42       1000      1187         407        -376.92         1.6895      -107.16


The .270 ARP will keep the bullet over 1800fps longer, because it starts with over 300fps more mv. Neck the .270 ARP down to 6.5mm and you have something really cool, especially with the new Nosler Accubond Long-Range 129gr ABLR with a .562 BC. Pushing that from an AR15 at 2700fps would make a great hunting rifle for the few people that are capable of exploiting those ballistics at distance. Look at the wind drift between the two as well. It shows that a Grendel still beats a .270 Berger 130gr going over 300fps faster.

For everyone else, the Grendel and 6.8 do just fine as off-the-shelf solutions for your common hunting distances. That said, a 22" Grendel has been used to kill Antelope at 752yds by an experienced long-range hunter using the 123gr A-MAX.

There is another wildcat cartridge that will push a 140gr 6.5mm from an AR15 faster than a .260 Rem can from an AR10. Pressure-testing has already achieved 3200fps with a 140gr 6.5mm.

I still applaud the evolution of AR15-compatible, high-performance cartridges like the .270 ARP that offer hunters and competitors more options from a ubiquitous, lightweight rifle frame that continues to serve us well. It's great to have currently-available, low-recoil solutions that even my kids can hunt with, that maintain a lot of energy downrange.


Thats a nice comparison the 270AR has the grendel until 800 yards but if your ran it with the berger 130 gr for the .277 with a BC .497?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/846190/berger-classic-hunter-hybrid-hunting-bullets-270-caliber-277-diameter-130-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-100
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Yes, If I wanted the highest BC 130gr projectile without going to the solids and was pushing them down a .277" bore, the Berger 130 gr Match Grade Classic Hunter with .497 G1 BC would be somewhere near the top of the list, but as a target bullet.

Since there is no reason to lean .277 over .264, I'll stick with .264 pills. I have a .270 Winchester, but I only shoot it for fun maybe once a year with hand loads. I wish it was a .264 Win Mag or 6.5 Swede, but I won't alter it because it's a Pre-64 Model 70 Winchester that I got from my dad. It was the center-fire rifle I learned to shoot distance with as a kid, so there is a lot of sentimental value.

When I started shooting .308 extensively in the Army with the M24, I felt cheated compared to the .270's ballistics, but I didn't know much about 6.5mm back then. Something about going from a high BC bullet at around 3100fps down to a .30 cal pig going 2500fps didn't sit well with me for long-distance work. .308 never really excited me, except when considering a 7.62 NATO carbine of Stoner design.

.260 Rem and the Grendel kinda ruined my affection with .277 rifles and .308 carbines, although I still have a soft spot for the .270 Winchester.
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Posted: 7/17/2013 8:41:40 AM
I prefer a 6.5mm, in a beefed-up AR-15 platform. To that end, I last week sent the following letter-appeal to Freedom Group, Inc. Chairman & C.E.O., George Kollitides:

"Dear Mr. Chairman:

I applaud the Remington Design Team for giving our sport shooting world the R-15 .30 Remington AR: a rifle with a robust AR-10 breech, in a lighter, shorter AR-15 platform. The concept is a long time coming. And, I dare state its arrival is welcomed by many.

So, at a time when rifles and ammunition 'are flying off the shelves,' why does a quick check of two major gun distributors, Budsgunshop.com and Grabagun.com, reveal that the Remington R-15, .30 RAR, is In stock, while other R-15 Models are Out of stock? And, a check of popular ammunition distributor, Midwayusa.com, shows that of the four products listed under .30 Remington AR, two are In stock, while many other calibers are Out of stock. I submit that the otherwise desirable R-15 .30 RAR platform is shackled by a cartridge, which downrange performance fails to impress, and which single-stack, low-capacity magazine and odd-sized case rim diameter both leave much to be desired.

In view of the above, let's consider a 21st Century-designed cartridge, with impressive downrange performance, that double-stacks in an AR-15 magazine and which case rim diameter, midway between the 5.56x45 and .30 Remington AR, is shared by other cartridges. Already impressive, in the standard AR-15 platform, its performance really shines in bolt-action rifles: the 6.5mm Grendel. Typical wait times for 6.5mm Grendel Barreled Upper Receivers are measured in months. And, a check with Midwayusa.com ammunition reveals that of the seven 6.5mm Grendel products, all, are Out of stock.

Let's compare the retained velocity, energy values of the .30 Remington AR, 150-grain Core-Lokt Pointed Soft Point (BC - 0.314), Muzzle Velocity - 2575 fps (24" test barrel), with the 6.5mm Grendel, 139-grain Lapua Scenar (BC - 0.615), Muzzle Velocity - 2305 fps (16" barrel AR-15) and 2700 fps (22" barrel bolt-action rifle), at 300, 400 and 500 yards:

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24" R-15, .30 Remington AR: . . . 1804 fps/1084 ft-lb . . . 1588 fps/840 ft-lb . . . 1397 fps/650 ft-lb;
16" AR-15, 6.5mm Grendel . . . . . 1922 fps/1140 ft-lb . . . 1804 fps/1005 ft-lb . . . 1692 fps/884 ft-lb;
22" Bolt, 6.5 mm Grendel . . . . . . 2277fps/1600 ft-lb . . . 2147 fps/1423 ft-lb . . . 2020 fps/1259 ft-lb.

In short: the 6.5mm Grendel is a prime candidate chambering for the R-15 .30 RAR platform. Unencumbered by the penalties its increased bolt thrust on the smaller AR-15 Bolt impose, it can fly with the super-size AR-10 Bolt --- and, a 2.300" magazine, please!

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,"

In retrospect, had Remington initally offered a 6.5/.30 RAR or a 6.5/450 Bushmaster in addition to/instead of the .30 Remington AR, that would have really stirred up the sport shooting world!
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man I would love a .30 ar necked down to 6.5.
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Originally Posted By ilovebullets:
Originally Posted By Clarinath:
Your comparison is for two very different bullets. A VLD against an Accubond BT? Kinda one sided.

If the Grendel only has a case capacity of 29 gr, how on earth am I cramming 31.2 gr of Win 748 in that little case?

And I have a 20" barrel, not 24.

I can't post my ballistics chart so if anyone has any idea how to do it, let me know.


748 is ball powder isn't it?? That's a lot of powder. Curious as to what kind of velocity you are getting. I am using 28.3 grains of 8208XBR over a CCI 450 and under a 123 AMAX. I haven't gotten to chrono due to lack of having one but I get really good groups. I have a 24" Grendel and doubt I would fool with another "odd" cartridge. I'm not saying they are bad, just sucks trying to hunt down parts for the wildcats.


My velocities are right around 2680 give or take 20 on either side.

And I load the 123 Sierra MK for hunting and target shooting.

(Yes, I know I am not supposed to use MK bullets for hunting. I have been for years and have never lost an animal)
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Posted: 7/17/2013 11:03:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Clarinath:
Originally Posted By ilovebullets:
Originally Posted By Clarinath:
Your comparison is for two very different bullets. A VLD against an Accubond BT? Kinda one sided.

If the Grendel only has a case capacity of 29 gr, how on earth am I cramming 31.2 gr of Win 748 in that little case?

And I have a 20" barrel, not 24.

I can't post my ballistics chart so if anyone has any idea how to do it, let me know.


748 is ball powder isn't it?? That's a lot of powder. Curious as to what kind of velocity you are getting. I am using 28.3 grains of 8208XBR over a CCI 450 and under a 123 AMAX. I haven't gotten to chrono due to lack of having one but I get really good groups. I have a 24" Grendel and doubt I would fool with another "odd" cartridge. I'm not saying they are bad, just sucks trying to hunt down parts for the wildcats.


My velocities are right around 2680 give or take 20 on either side.

And I load the 123 Sierra MK for hunting and target shooting.

(Yes, I know I am not supposed to use MK bullets for hunting. I have been for years and have never lost an animal)


I use the 123 AMAX for hunting. I know they don't expand like a true hunting bullet but they have always done the job. Now that the 123 SST's are out I'm gonna try them this year. Another Arfcommer and I picked up a few boxes as soon as they hit the shelves.
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Its really great how all these threads turn into "the 6.5 is the best bullet on the planet for all applications"

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By marinesg1012:
Its really great how all these threads turn into "the 6.5 is the best bullet on the planet for all applications"



Its even greater when nothing like that was said and somebody jumps in to assume. No chest bumping going on. Started off with here is a .270 bullet with highest BC versus a 6.5 bullet with low BC. Then Clarinath and LRRPF52 come in to show that the Accubond BT is a low BC bullet when compared to most 6.5 bullets. Then the numbers are reran and the bullet OP is talking about doesn't look so bad ass after all. Its not the Grendel's fault. I simply said I wouldn't pursue the cartridge because the last thing I wanna do is hunt for impossible to find parts again.
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