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Posted: 8/9/2012 6:59:23 PM
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Posted: 8/10/2012 4:37:44 AM
What load are you using?
Brass Bullet Powder & charge weight Cartridge Overall Length What barrel length and gas system length do you have on the .260 Rem? Did you use an AR10 buffer, or AR15 buffer? Grendel and Beowulf bolts use the same extractor, IIRC. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 9:17:17 AM
Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
What load are you using? Brass Bullet Powder & charge weight Cartridge Overall Length What barrel length and gas system length do you have on the .260 Rem? Did you use an AR10 buffer, or AR15 buffer? Grendel and Beowulf bolts use the same extractor, IIRC. yup would need to know that to really advise you on your load. yes, you should be useing the .308 buffer and spring get a reloading book for the round, better then getting loads off the net. and try not to go below the min load. in general, the AR system loves its oil anyway, and a new rifle will need about 200 rounds to break in all the parts. during this time they need more then usual amount of oil in the action. soak it and see if that helps. when I run into a short stroking AR, 9 times out of 10 all it needs more oil |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 1:05:55 PM
I had gas rings on the bolts of several LR models that required 50+ pounds to push the bolt into the carrier. You might take them off and compress the rings individually until it only requires about 5-10 pounds to push the carrier down.
Even full power Factory .308 hunting and match loads wouldn't cycle completely until I did this on mine. |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 2:07:34 PM
Originally Posted By BREWIN:
i just took my 260 build out to see if it works, it seems to be very accurate but all i have done is break it in. i was conservative with my loading, but thought it would cycle the action. instead it would not cycle it far enough to pick up the next round. it was a single shot. i am wondering whether i need to load it hotter. i found loading data on the web and cut it back not trying to see what i could get out of it but just break it in. i have a 308 spring in the buffer tube and was wondering if the light 6.5 bullet really need the extra heavy spring? do i need to load the rounds with more powder? second question i have is my 50 beowulf extractor busted. i have only found a replacement at alexanders arms for $18 plus they list the 6.5 grendel and the beowulf separately. i took my 6.5 bolt out and ran the beowulf with it with no problem. are they the same and is it the same as the 7.62 x 39 or are there differences? also is there a better place to buy just the extractor from or is that my only choice. i have not been able to find that extractor any place else. thanks for any help. 1. Need to know your load info. We can't blindly recommend you load hotter. 1a. The .308 spring should be fine. 2. I'm not positive, but I believe the 6.5G and .50 beo bolts are the same. There may be minor differences, but the headspace should be the same. 3. the 6.5 Grendel (tm) and .50 Beowulf Bolts are NOT the same as an ordinary 7.62x39mm bolt. The bolt face on the Grendel (tm) and Beo bolts is recessed slightly more than the 7.62x39mm. It will cause headspace issues mixing and matching the two. 4. You can try to use another extractor, but Alexandar Arms is your best bet. They're made specifically for the thicker 6.5/.50 beo case rim (both wider diameter and thicker base). |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 5:19:36 PM
thanks for all the input guys. i believe alexander is the only place to get the grendel of beowulf extractor from what i have not found. i guess i will bite the bullet and buy one.
it was kind of stupid not to put any info about the 260 load here so here goes. the 260 has a 24 inch barrel. from my measurements the gas tube is around 14 to 15 inches long. i bought the upper all together. i think this one was one of my first builds and it was not lubricated which is one point. i do lubricate now. have not been out to shoot again because of time and i need to reload again. i am fairly new to reloading rifle ammo and i am still working on getting my crimp right. i think i had a 120 grain nosler spitzer bullet in it. the over all length was 2.120 or a little shorter. the powder was winchester 760 and the load was around 42.5 grains. any ideas? the last few times i have been out shooting it has been 100 degrees, really hot. the beowulf i believe fired without the bolt seated all the way, i think my crimp was to much. anyway it blew the bottom out of the case out where it is not supported by the bolt at the bottom. blew the bottom of the mag off also and took the end of the extractor with it. i guess it could have been worse. the rest of the loads while trying to make sure the bolt was seated properly were all right and did no further damage firing the last 12 rounds or so of that loading session. it is a light rifle and certainly kicked a lot. i would say more then the 460 weatherby i have shot in the past. maybe i loaded it to hot or had too much of a crimp also. on that one i was shooting a 350 grain uni core bullet. the powder was H110 and depending on the scale i used had 35.9 grains with the electrical scale and it measured 36.3 with my balance beam. the over all length was from 2.112 to 2.107. it functioned but i made sure the bullet was seated because to the blown case on my first trip out. i used the assist the last time i took it out to make sure the bullet and bolt were seated, but it kind of surprises me that it would fire when not seated all the way. any thoughts? was my load to hot? do they fire when not seated completely or is there something wrong with the gun? thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 6:57:17 PM
[Last Edit: 8/11/2012 6:58:34 PM by LedZeppelin]
Originally Posted By BREWIN:
thanks for all the input guys. i believe alexander is the only place to get the grendel of beowulf extractor from what i have not found. i guess i will bite the bullet and buy one. it was kind of stupid not to put any info about the 260 load here so here goes. the 260 has a 24 inch barrel. from my measurements the gas tube is around 14 to 15 inches long. i bought the upper all together. i think this one was one of my first builds and it was not lubricated which is one point. i do lubricate now. have not been out to shoot again because of time and i need to reload again. i am fairly new to reloading rifle ammo and i am still working on getting my crimp right. i think i had a 120 grain nosler spitzer bullet in it. the over all length was 2.120 or a little shorter. the powder was winchester 760 and the load was around 42.5 grains. any ideas? the last few times i have been out shooting it has been 100 degrees, really hot. the beowulf i believe fired without the bolt seated all the way, i think my crimp was to much. anyway it blew the bottom out of the case out where it is not supported by the bolt at the bottom. blew the bottom of the mag off also and took the end of the extractor with it. i guess it could have been worse. the rest of the loads while trying to make sure the bolt was seated properly were all right and did no further damage firing the last 12 rounds or so of that loading session. it is a light rifle and certainly kicked a lot. i would say more then the 460 weatherby i have shot in the past. maybe i loaded it to hot or had too much of a crimp also. on that one i was shooting a 350 grain uni core bullet. the powder was H110 and depending on the scale i used had 35.9 grains with the electrical scale and it measured 36.3 with my balance beam. the over all length was from 2.112 to 2.107. it functioned but i made sure the bullet was seated because to the blown case on my first trip out. i used the assist the last time i took it out to make sure the bullet and bolt were seated, but it kind of surprises me that it would fire when not seated all the way. any thoughts? was my load to hot? do they fire when not seated completely or is there something wrong with the gun? thanks in advance. Nothing about this post lends confidence in your ability to safely reload ammunition. I don't mean to sound harsh, but I highly suggest you slow down, buy at least 2 reloading manuals that have specific information relating to the calibers you intend to reload, read them both in their entirety, and start over. I also very highly suggest you buy a quality scale. For the .260: 2.120" is impossibly short. 42.5gr of Win760 is approaching maximum book loads with a 120 Nosler. Did you do any testing to get up to 42.5 or just jump in at near max? You can completely forget about crimping. Especially in the beginning, get something solid and safe that works, then play with crimping. At this point it's an extra variable. There is no clearer sign to stop than what happened with your beowulf. Again, please please please get a reloading manual that has .50 Beowulf information in it. I am not familiar with the .50beo but no case should ever blow out like that, and you should not have to force a round to chamber with the FA. If it was an out-of-battery firing, I can't imagine there NOT being more damage to the rifle, and I suggest you 1) get it inspected by a reputable gunsmith before firing it again, and 2) fire factory ammunition until you get solid reloading data. NEVER start with anything near maximum loads. For example, the .260. Start with the book's minimum charge of Win 760 with an OAL of 2.750-2.800. Ensure the bullet is NOT driving into the rifling while chambered. Then work up charges in 0.3 or 0.5gr increments from there until you see pressure signs (flattened primers, extractor/ejector marks on the case head etc... and reloading manual will tell you what the signs are). As soon as you see those signs STOP. Note that as YOUR RIFLE'S maximum, and keep track of it. Then back off and work for accuracy between the starting load and your rifle's max. I also suggest you get more organized. Keep exacting notes on everything you do so that it's not "maybe about 2.120" OAL", or "around 35.9-36.3gr of powder". You should know to the 0.1gr what your charge is, and have equipment capable of at least that level of precision, no questions asked. Reloading is one of those things that you do it right, or you don't do it at all. Again, I'm not trying to be harsh or scare you out of it. Just slow down and do research first, because it sounds like you're flirting with stout loads, you're not sure what is safe and what isn't, you're not sure the level of accuracy of your scale(s), and you've already had a critical failure of a .50 beowulf case. |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 7:08:03 PM
The above post has some wise words in it. I would buy some factory 260 ammo if I were you, then buy the ABC's of Reloading. I consider your reloading practices very dangerous. That OAL is as stated above impossibly short.
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Posted: 8/12/2012 10:47:00 AM
Originally Posted By TeeRex:
The above post has some wise words in it. I would buy some factory 260 ammo if I were you, then buy the ABC's of Reloading. I consider your reloading practices very dangerous. That OAL is as stated above impossibly short. You don't just look on the internet and end up with someone else s' load and go with it, you need to work your load up. Go to the reloading section here and read up some, put the reloading gear away for now and just read before you get hurt. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 12:27:11 PM
Thats interesting, i believe that everybody here is being pretty polite as far as your loadings. Both of my .260's are bolt guns, one a 1:8 24" tactical and the other a 20" light weight hunter in 1:8 as well. Using 123gr amaxs i use 44.5grs of H4350 with a col of 2.780. Using 140gr amaxs i run 42grs of H4350 and a col of 2.780 as well. (thats the col they both seem to like best)
If you continue as you are without rereading your loading manuals, it is very likely that two things will happen. One is that you will end your interest in firearms abruptly, the other is that at the least you will start learning brail. Good luck, blue. |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:24:47 PM
yeaaaa......you sure you have a .260rem? i dont think you could possibley load that short
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Posted: 8/13/2012 1:18:12 AM
Many things wrong with this OP......
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Posted: 8/13/2012 4:53:48 AM
Why not spend a few $$ for a few different boxes or factory loads? It's the best way to see if your handloads are close to spec and your rifle should cycle with them. If you don't have a chronograph it may be a good time to get one or borrow one.
Just my $.02 |
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Posted: 8/13/2012 6:24:08 AM
If you check with your local ranges, they often have NRA-sponsored reloading classes, and they will give you a baseline foundation of equipment selection, principles, safe procedures, why certain things are done, etc.
I can't recommend learning to reload under the tutelage of someone who knows what they are doing, and has been doing it for a long time enough. As a matter of fact, I strongly require that you seek a mentor in this, for your safety and the safety of those around you. Hand-loading is easy enough to screw up for a seasoned loader, let alone one stabbing in the dark. There are probably guys on the forum in your area that would be willing to help out, so use the resources available and set yourself up for success. |
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