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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:41:27 PM

THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
Here are some pictures of my "test mules". All have 14.7" 1-14 twist bbls with either flash hider or suppressor brake perm attached for legal 16.1" bbl.

LW and green SR have lightweight .800"/.750" bbls. Green SR is a tackdriver, have several groups in the .600"-.900" range!

The Recon LW weighs only 8# 2oz fully loaded (8rds) and Trijicon 3-9x40 mounted as you see it. GREAT little carbine for spot and stalk hog hunting.

NV is a Night Optics D740 with Wilson Combat QD mount.

I'm not too good at the photo posting on forums, hope this works ????

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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:55:17 PM
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Hit the EDIT button, there is a line of icons under the box you type in, fourth from right looks like a pic of a mountain and the sun, click on it, and paste your pic link, then hit OK.

That is some purdy rifles, where is the dead piggy pics?












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Posted: 4/3/2012 3:57:46 PM
Here you go BWilson, they may be out of order.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:01:31 PM
How's the recoil?
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:06:24 PM
Originally Posted By Clastac:
How's the recoil?


LW is no more than a 308 AR, heavier suppressed guns are obviously noticeably less.

This picture stuff is vodoo to me .....................

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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:11:01 PM
Awesome... I was wondering who would fill the void in Marty's absence!

Glad to see you folks step up with an offering.

Any plans for an SBR appropriate length?
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:29:24 PM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By Clastac:
How's the recoil?


LW is no more than a 308 AR, heavier suppressed guns are obviously noticeably less.

This picture stuff is vodoo to me .....................



Good vodoo so far.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 4:34:38 PM
nice

I love my 458 SOCOM Marty build for me and I think I have to add one of those Uppers to my SBR

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Posted: 4/3/2012 5:20:12 PM
Nice! When will the uppers be available?
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Posted: 4/3/2012 5:47:15 PM
Originally Posted By doubleajaybrock:
Nice! When will the uppers be available?


+1 and request for photos of some of your recovered copper flowers.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 5:48:10 PM
Originally Posted By doubleajaybrock:
Nice! When will the uppers be available?


We plan to be shipping product before the end of May

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Posted: 4/3/2012 7:06:34 PM
WANT!!

LW build on the block (well LW for a .458 I guess)

Any chance of barrel photos alone? Maybe without the Trim rails?
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Posted: 4/3/2012 7:50:01 PM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By Clastac:


This picture stuff is vodoo to me .....................



Great looking rifles! Thanks for offering these and helping to promote the 458 SOCOM cartridge/rifle combo.

As for pics, don't sweat it. On this site...all links must be made "hot" in order for the viewer to be able to click on the link and be taken to the active site or view a pic.

We can walk you through it. Once you do it a couple of times....you'll have it down.

Again, Thanks for the great products and your support.

Flint.

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Posted: 4/3/2012 8:02:39 PM
Originally Posted By Clastac:
How's the recoil?

I got to take my first hog using nv with Bill's carbine. What recoil? Take my word for it, when you are hunting, you never notice the recoil. May be a bit more when you're shooting from a bench but I doubt it will turn anyone off to the cartridge.

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Posted: 4/3/2012 9:20:53 PM
Those look great. Can't wait till you put them up for sale.
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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:01:37 PM
Are barrels & bolts going to be available for sale or only complete uppers?
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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:21:31 PM
What are you start up costs for hand loading for this, and what is the procedure.

My next build will likely be this or a .50 Beowulf.

I have heard a lot more positive things so far for .458.

Pretty much, brass prep, cost, projectile cost. etc.

Thanks
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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:22:45 PM
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Parts to come later.

Loading is the same as for any bottle necked cartridges. The best dies IMO are Redding with Hornady and Lee being also rans. Brass is available from Starline but between runs it can dry up for a couple or three months at a time so get plenty when it is available, loading is not difficult but many do have sticking cases in the die problems if they use spray on lubes so stick with Imperial Sizing Wax for best results. Also, when you get your rifle, get CAR gassed. Leave the midlength to the 5.56 fan boys.
The best powder is H110 and Lil-Gun giving the highest velocities but it will not work in a midlength gassed rifle most times. Re #7 works well in all gas lengths (handgun, CAR, midlength) but is slower than H110 or Lil-Gun. Do not go with any barrel in .458 SOCOM that is rifle gassed. It will not work worth a tinkers damn and you powder choices would be extremely limited.
Barrel length really does not matter. Between 12.5 and 20 there is not 50 fps difference in the same load shot on the same day in the same conditions. If you have 12.5 inches of barrel that is enough, 16 keeps you legal without SBRing, and anything longer than that just gets in your way, adds more weight, and adds very few if any fps.
When reading pressure signs the job is easy. You DON'T. The SOCOM uses large pistol primers. The maximum pressure for the .458 S as well as the Beowulf is 35K. By the time you see any pressure signs you are WAY over the 35K psi limit. Stick to established data. Forget the notion that you can load until you see the primers flatten and then back off a little. That will still put you about 8,000 psi over the maximum pressures allowable.
Bullet cost is what you make it. You can shoot ultra cheap hard cast gas checked bullets, lots of us do, and while it MIGHT clog up your gas tube over time, many of us have thousands of rounds of hard cast gas checked bullets downrange and have not clogged one up yet. And gas tubes are cheap. Next, Remington 300 gr. and 405 gr. bullets are accurate and make good light game and blasting bullets. After that, the sky is the limit. You can spend as little or as much as you want on bullets. IMO the best bullet for the SOCOM is the Barnes 300 gr. TTSX but it is about a buck a pop just for the bullet alone. But it is outstanding.
The SOCOM can use any bullet from the Lehigh 100 gr. aluminum bullet to 525 hard cast and 600 gr. jacketed bullets. It's all what you want to use and how much you want to spend. Any bullet for the .45-70 will pretty much work in the SOCOM so long as you keep the COAL to 2.250 inches or less. It also uses standard 5.56 mags and most rifles do not need the mags tweaked at all.


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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:32:06 PM
To add to my first set of questions.

I want to SBR this one , and suppress it.

I have an AR Performance 6.8 for my supersonic/non suppressed needs.

How short can I go with this, and what would be the velocity from said " perfect " length supersonic? For balance I guess, 9.5-12.5?
I know that the subs would of course be around 980-1100fps depending on elevation.

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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:37:05 PM
Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
Parts to come later.

Loading is the same as for any bottle necked cartridges. The best dies IMO are Redding with Hornady and Lee being also rans. Brass is available from Starline but between runs it can dry up for a couple or three months at a time so get plenty when it is available, loading is not difficult but many do have sticking cases in the die problems if they use spray on lubes so stick with Imperial Sizing Wax for best results. Also, when you get your rifle, get CAR gassed. Leave the midlength to the 5.56 fan boys.
The best powder is H110 and Lil-Gun giving the highest velocities but it will not work in a midlength gassed rifle most times. Re #7 works well in all gas lengths (handgun, CAR, midlength) but is slower than H110 or Lil-Gun. Do not go with any barrel in .458 SOCOM that is rifle gassed. It will not work worth a tinkers damn and you powder choices would be extremely limited.
Barrel length really does not matter. Between 12.5 and 20 there is not 50 fps difference in the same load shot on the same day in the same conditions. If you have 12.5 inches of barrel that is enough, 16 keeps you legal without SBRing, and anything longer than that just gets in your way, adds more weight, and adds very few if any fps.
When reading pressure signs the job is easy. You DON'T. The SOCOM uses large pistol primers. The maximum pressure for the .458 S as well as the Beowulf is 35K. By the time you see any pressure signs you are WAY over the 35K psi limit. Stick to established data. Forget the notion that you can load until you see the primers flatten and then back off a little. That will still put you about 8,000 psi over the maximum pressures allowable.




That sounds great so far.

I do keep a good bit of Re 7 on hand for my 90 TNT loads.

What about Bullseye ? That is what I use on my .45acp. Not sure if that's way too fast or not though.


Sounds like the 12.5 is the way to go.

With the 12.5, and the most common loads for it, what are your supersonic velocities so far?

Thanks
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Posted: 4/3/2012 10:39:11 PM
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Marty has taken them down to 8.5 inches with handgun gas and they work fine. I am not sure how much velocity you lose shorter than 13.5 but between that and 20 there is not any velocity difference worth noting, less than 50 fps.
Any barrel shorter than 14.5 inches should use a handgun gas length. If suppressed a CAR gas length might work OK but Marty always went with handgun gas shorter than 14.5 inches. A friend of mine has a 10.5 inch Teppo barrel and runs a suppressor and the handgun length gas works just fine with it.

Bullseye is way too fast and not a good powder at all for the SOCOM. With autoloaders it is not just adding powder to get the velocity you want. You must keep port pressure and muzzle pressure in mind so the rifle will function. Bullseye is way too fast and there would not be enough gas or port pressure to make the action operate, much as the case is with H110 with a midlength gas; it's just too darned fast for a port that far down the barrel.
The velocities I get with H110 (Max of 31.5 gr) and the 300 gr. TTSX bullet range between 1640 and 1680 fps with the 14 inch non-gassed bolt action handgun barrel with extra long throat shooting the fastest, followed by the 16, 20, and 13.5 almost all the same between 1640 and 1670 fps. I also see no difference in velocity between the two 1:14 and two 1:18 barrels. By the way, if you see me write 12.5 inch in one place and 13.5 inch in another, that is because I ordered a 12.5 inch and thought that was what I had for several years. I only recently found out it was 13.5 inches when it seemed longer than my 12.5 inch 6.8 SBR. I am not meaning to lie but I have written 12.5 inch for the SOCOM for so long I often forget and write that instead of the correct 13.5 inch.

If you want to go subsonic, that is also easy. If you shoot the relative cheap 500 gr. Hornady RN or a hard cast gas check bullet like the LBT LFNGC you can slow them way down with no trouble at all. I have taken both up to about 1400 fps but at start loads they were subsonic, although I am not sure you would want to shoot a hard cast gas checked bullet through a suppressor. The 405 gr. Remingtons can be slowed down to go subsonic also but I have not worked with those bullets.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:20:37 AM
That all sounds really good.

I'm thinking 12.5" when I try and get my project going.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:13:35 AM
Definitely like! I'd be willing to part with my original RRA upper to buy one of these....
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Posted: 4/4/2012 1:01:13 PM
Looking good Bill, i've got one of the factory guns, guess I'll have to start thinking about adding one to the collection
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Posted: 4/10/2012 7:06:40 PM
This is a test to see if I can properly post a picture without one of you guys helping ..........................

Picture of the sun setting on a decent boar taken with 300gr Barnes TAC TX


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Posted: 4/10/2012 7:10:33 PM
Well now that it seemed to have worked (-:

A real good boar taken with 300gr Barnes TAC TX



And an Aoudad shot this past Fri



And a couple of goats my wife shot, also with Barnes


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