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Posted: 1/17/2012 1:51:03 PM
Would like a 20-24" barrel. Any suggestions.

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Posted: 1/17/2012 1:53:10 PM
What is your budget?
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Posted: 1/17/2012 1:59:37 PM
Armalite if you can afford it..
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Posted: 1/17/2012 2:06:18 PM

Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Armalite if you can afford it..

I own an LMT MWS, and a 20" precision rig built on a Mega upper / lower receiver set. I agree with the post above. I think Armalite is the best "bang for the buck" in the 308 AR platform, and they now offer models that will take the SR25 style mags...



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Posted: 1/17/2012 2:10:08 PM
I like the Colt 308 AR.

With a mag well insert, you can mount and use a standard AR15 upper on the Colt 308 lower.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 2:12:42 PM
I think the MWS is hard to beat for the money. Very accurate, very reliable and offers a lot of modularity to change caliber and barrel length.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 2:43:41 PM

Originally Posted By d90king:
I think the MWS is hard to beat for the money. Very accurate, very reliable and offers a lot of modularity to change caliber and barrel length.

I own an MWS, and the points you mention were part of the reason I purchased it (over the OBR and Armalite). However, in reality I'd rather just have additional uppers to swap onto my lower. Quickness of change, ability to keep optics dialed in, etc.

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Posted: 1/17/2012 3:04:15 PM
The best bang for the buck is to build a DPMS LR308
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:10:13 PM
Originally Posted By WhartHog:
The best bang for the buck is to build a DPMS LR308



this....moa at 2/3rds the cost of the a fore mentioned products.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:35:43 PM
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Originally Posted By WhartHog:
The best bang for the buck is to build a DPMS LR308

I disagree. IMO, the Armalite is worth it. Furthermore, their designs are actually being tested in battle. Knights, LMT, and Armalite are the only AR10 manufacturers I know of where their designs are being tested, and refined, in real-world conditions by armies of the world. LaRue hints around that his stuff is being used by secret squirrel types, but I've seen nothing official.

When the government is buying the ammo, you're going to be able to test a platform far beyond the extent of any civilian design, just due to the round count available. When you pay a little more for those designs, you are buying into this amount of R&D and refinement. It also means something to me that the guys using use the above platforms all seem to like them (based on what I've seen, as a non-.mil type), and literally have their lives at stake daily.

To me, the LMT and Armalite are worth the extra $. Keep in mind, these can often be found for not much more than a comparable DPMS. DPMS SASS found online for $1850. Armalite AR10 SASS found online for $2350. That's a worthy difference, IMO, and the Armalite includes a switchblock. My brand-new LMT MWS cost ~ $2300.

I built my Mega 20" precision from good components (PRS stock, Troy BUIS, Apex hand guard, Rainier Ultramatch barrel, Armalite BCG, etc etc), and this gun cost the same, or possibly slightly more, than just buying an Armalite SASS from the get go.

I guess it just all depends on what you want. I think the above manufacturers are worthy of a slightly higher price, and I've used my personal $ to vote that way. I think they're still a great value.

I'm not a gun snob, and I'm frugal. I've got Rock River, Del Ton, S&W, Spikes, Palmetto, BCM, etc rollmarks on the sides of my AR's. When I buy, I try to do it on value. I feel the quality / features differential between the manufacturers above and DPMS is larger than the price differential between them.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:43:16 PM

Originally Posted By echo_5:
I like the Colt 308 AR.

With a mag well insert, you can mount and use a standard AR15 upper on the Colt 308 lower.

Wow!

Just watched a video on it. Finally somebody is thinking.


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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:48:17 PM
Originally Posted By motoguy:

Originally Posted By turb06le240:
Armalite if you can afford it..

I own an LMT MWS, and a 20" precision rig built on a Mega upper / lower receiver set. I agree with the post above. I think Armalite is the best "bang for the buck" in the 308 AR platform, and they now offer models that will take the SR25 style mags...

Someone hinted this might be released at SHOT... can you point me to info that confirms this?
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Posted: 1/17/2012 4:58:45 PM
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Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By motoguy:

I own an LMT MWS, and a 20" precision rig built on a Mega upper / lower receiver set. I agree with the post above. I think Armalite is the best "bang for the buck" in the 308 AR platform, and they now offer models that will take the SR25 style mags...

Someone hinted this might be released at SHOT... can you point me to info that confirms this?

The thread here on AR15:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_27/213705_INTRODUCING_THE_NEW__AR_10A_.html


And the tech notes on their site:

http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech%20Notes%5CTech%20Note%20101%20%20AR-10A%20AR-10B%20%20M15%20COMPONENTS%20120109%20Rev%201%20FINAL.pdf

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Posted: 1/17/2012 5:52:44 PM
Armalite or CMMG 3088 SASS
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Posted: 1/17/2012 6:22:50 PM
My opinion is the CMMG 18" SASS for $1400+shipping of $20-$40. Their isn't a better option. It's a tack driver and comes with 2 Pmags!!
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Posted: 1/17/2012 7:43:59 PM
Originally Posted By motoguy:

Originally Posted By WhartHog:
The best bang for the buck is to build a DPMS LR308

I disagree. IMO, the Armalite is worth it. Furthermore, their designs are actually being tested in battle. Knights, LMT, and Armalite are the only AR10 manufacturers I know of where their designs are being tested, and refined, in real-world conditions by armies of the world. LaRue hints around that his stuff is being used by secret squirrel types, but I've seen nothing official.

When the government is buying the ammo, you're going to be able to test a platform far beyond the extent of any civilian design, just due to the round count available. When you pay a little more for those designs, you are buying into this amount of R&D and refinement. It also means something to me that the guys using use the above platforms all seem to like them (based on what I've seen, as a non-.mil type), and literally have their lives at stake daily.

To me, the LMT and Armalite are worth the extra $. Keep in mind, these can often be found for not much more than a comparable DPMS. DPMS SASS found online for $1850. Armalite AR10 SASS found online for $2350. That's a worthy difference, IMO, and the Armalite includes a switchblock. My brand-new LMT MWS cost ~ $2300.

I built my Mega 20" precision from good components (PRS stock, Troy BUIS, Apex hand guard, Rainier Ultramatch barrel, Armalite BCG, etc etc), and this gun cost the same, or possibly slightly more, than just buying an Armalite SASS from the get go.

I guess it just all depends on what you want. I think the above manufacturers are worthy of a slightly higher price, and I've used my personal $ to vote that way. I think they're still a great value.

I'm not a gun snob, and I'm frugal. I've got Rock River, Del Ton, S&W, Spikes, Palmetto, BCM, etc rollmarks on the sides of my AR's. When I buy, I try to do it on value. I feel the quality / features differential between the manufacturers above and DPMS is larger than the price differential between them.


Not to come across like an a$$ but he said 'best bang for the buck' and when a moa rifle is 900-1300 and you are suggesting the higher end armalite at 2300 then I have to laugh and shake my head. We are talking a difference of almost half in price! Besides, for 2300 he could just spend to 200 more and then get the gap.

op....bang for buck is performance at a great price and nothing comes close to the dpms in this regard.

If you want higher end, then you look at the GAP (non piston that is)
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Posted: 1/17/2012 10:23:38 PM

Originally Posted By RUTGERS95:

Not to come across like an a$$ but he said 'best bang for the buck' and when a moa rifle is 900-1300 and you are suggesting the higher end armalite at 2300 then I have to laugh and shake my head. We are talking a difference of almost half in price! Besides, for 2300 he could just spend to 200 more and then get the gap.

op....bang for buck is performance at a great price and nothing comes close to the dpms in this regard.

If you want higher end, then you look at the GAP (non piston that is)

That was the type of rifle I was searching for, and some of the thought process I went through.

Here's an Eagle Arms (Armalite) AR10 for $1080:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/72129-1.html


Or an actual Armalite for $1195:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2ARML10A4CBF-1.html


You don't have to spend $2k +...that's just the rifle I was looking at.
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Posted: 1/17/2012 10:27:32 PM
yes but there are countless threads here on armalite lower end models having issues and the other guys mentioned the SASS which is higher end. Now Armalite does make a nice national match upper for around 1100 that the Army sniper teams use but you would still need to get a lower, nice trigger, decent stock etc....

for the price, performance, and add ons, you cannot beat the dpms.

For the record, I really like the GAP, Repr, and OBR but again, you are touching almost 3gs there.

CMMG's dmr version has gotten some nice reviews as well.
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Posted: 1/18/2012 3:10:11 AM
I can't believe no one has said it yet - If you want an AR10 you're gonna have to buy an ArmaLite.
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Posted: 1/18/2012 9:18:17 AM
ArmaLite AR-10B for M14 mags.
ArmaLite AR-10A for SR-25 mags.
Second choice would be the CMMG .308 with the SR-25 mags.
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Posted: 1/18/2012 4:53:15 PM
A guy at the range last weekend sitting next to me had an Armalite. He told me so far it's shooting like shit like 2moa at 100 yards, with a nice scope.

This guy was a serious shooter, had a ton of different loads he made for it, and he still couldn't get it to shoot well. I saw him put down several sub-moa groups with his other guns so the problem was almost certainly the gun.
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Posted: 1/18/2012 5:05:08 PM
Was he shooting 168 gr bullets? AR10 will do that with 150 gr

Originally Posted By zulthor:
A guy at the range last weekend sitting next to me had an Armalite. He told me so far it's shooting like shit like 2moa at 100 yards, with a nice scope.

This guy was a serious shooter, had a ton of different loads he made for it, and he still couldn't get it to shoot well. I saw him put down several sub-moa groups with his other guns so the problem was almost certainly the gun.


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Posted: 1/18/2012 5:07:16 PM
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Most of the lower end issues are from using Gen I mags. I posted one of the threads. Armalite has a much better track record than DPMS on quality and customer service. The CMMG .308 ARs look good too.

Originally Posted By RUTGERS95:
yes but there are countless threads here on armalite lower end models having issues and the other guys mentioned the SASS which is higher end. Now Armalite does make a nice national match upper for around 1100 that the Army sniper teams use but you would still need to get a lower, nice trigger, decent stock etc....

for the price, performance, and add ons, you cannot beat the dpms.

For the record, I really like the GAP, Repr, and OBR but again, you are touching almost 3gs there.

CMMG's dmr version has gotten some nice reviews as well.


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Posted: 1/18/2012 5:26:41 PM
Originally Posted By HK-USP:
Was he shooting 168 gr bullets? AR10 will do that with 150 gr

Originally Posted By zulthor:
A guy at the range last weekend sitting next to me had an Armalite. He told me so far it's shooting like shit like 2moa at 100 yards, with a nice scope.

This guy was a serious shooter, had a ton of different loads he made for it, and he still couldn't get it to shoot well. I saw him put down several sub-moa groups with his other guns so the problem was almost certainly the gun.




much as i hated to do it, i removed my 16" lightweight chrome-lined armalite barrel (b10a2c) and gave it to my cousin - that thing could not be made to shoot under 2 moa and 2.5 or worse was the norm - dont flame me i tried everything over a year span - carefully handloaded ocw studies, hand lapping, the works - all the while a standard cm dpms ap4 barrel shot rings around it easily achieving 1moa -

i have another gun with a 20" armalite barrel (b10a4) that i hunt with, and it also is not what you would expect considering the brand, but i'm sticking with it for now because it's close enough to kill deer with and i cant take the time to disassemble/reassemble/sight-in right now, but down the road that barrel is gone, too. flame away but those 2 barrels didn't pan out...

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Posted: 1/18/2012 10:37:44 PM
I looked at the armalite but the reviews are mixed, much more so than any other rifle in that price category. Hell, even on the hide the dpms get's better ratings.

All in all, I still like the gap the best
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Posted: 1/18/2012 10:47:34 PM
If I didn't already have the dpms sass, I'd probably go with the cmmg version. The dpms is a good shooter, about 3/4 moa with good ammo, but the cmmg will probably do the same thing for a little less money.
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