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Posted: 5/21/2011 10:42:08 AM

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Looking for opinions on installing optics on a 458 socom upper. And if so, what kind of optics. From what I have read, maximum distance of this round is 200 yards, so most shots will be 150 yards or less.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 10:53:59 AM
Originally Posted By mknherhappy:
Looking for opinions on installing optics on a 458 socom upper. And if so, what kind of optics. From what I have read, maximum distance of this round is 200 yards, so most shots will be 150 yards or less.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you.


That's Aimpoint territory. It's what I use...
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Posted: 5/21/2011 11:13:07 AM
Eotech or for mostly hunting a 2-7x Leupold.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 11:40:54 AM
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Whats your intended usage? A red dot is quick but not very precise on small targets at 200 yards. A 1-4 with an illuminated reticule would give you some versatility.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 11:46:35 AM
If you go with a magnified optic just make sure it has plenty of eye relief.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 1:07:36 PM
I run a mk4 2.5-8x36, I like a little precision.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 2:39:19 PM
3" eye relief.
Spend at least $200.00 the recoil will eat a cheap scope.
Don't buy something with a cluttered up reticule, just because it's cool.
You're not going to be shooting ground squirrels at 300yds.

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Posted: 5/21/2011 3:13:36 PM
Originally Posted By JohnOD:
Whats your intended usage? A red dot is quick but not very precise on small targets at 200 yards. A 1-4 with an illuminated reticule would give you some versatility.


Just curious, but what "small targets" do you shoot with the .458 SOCOM? (Other than paper or stuff you want to blow up)
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Posted: 5/21/2011 8:08:13 PM
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By JohnOD:
Whats your intended usage? A red dot is quick but not very precise on small targets at 200 yards. A 1-4 with an illuminated reticule would give you some versatility.


Just curious, but what "small targets" do you shoot with the .458 SOCOM? (Other than paper or stuff you want to blow up)


My point is that asking what optic to put on a firearm without stating what its going to be used for too open ended a question to give a reasonable answer to. I have no idea how the OP is planning on using the gun. I'm a hunter... if I were shooting at deer sized critter @ 200 yards with my 458S I'd like something around 4x. Elk in the timber an Aimpoint would be perfect. Maybe he 's happy with hitting a basketball sized target @ 200 or maybe a baseball.

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Posted: 5/21/2011 8:40:09 PM
I've got a Millet DMS1 on mine and it works fine for what I use it for .
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Posted: 5/21/2011 8:50:51 PM
Originally Posted By JohnOD:
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By JohnOD:
Whats your intended usage? A red dot is quick but not very precise on small targets at 200 yards. A 1-4 with an illuminated reticule would give you some versatility.


Just curious, but what "small targets" do you shoot with the .458 SOCOM? (Other than paper or stuff you want to blow up)


My point is that asking what optic to put on a firearm without stating what its going to be used for too open ended a question to give a reasonable answer to. I have no idea how the OP is planning on using the gun. I'm a hunter... if I were shooting at deer sized critter @ 200 yards with my 458S I'd like something around 4x. Elk in the timber an Aimpoint would be perfect. Maybe he 's happy with hitting a basketball sized target @ 200 or maybe a baseball.



Yeah, sorry, I should have been more specific, most shooting will be at targets around 100-150 yards, targets like cement blocks etc. Doubtful will ever be used for hunting, unless my boys and I go and one will be carrying the 50 wulf.

Thanks again for your input.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 10:28:13 PM
I used mine to take a mule deer buck. I practised A LOT out to ranges of 300 yards. I have a 2-7x on it and really appreciated the extra mag when taking the 180 yard shot.
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Posted: 5/21/2011 11:41:11 PM
I had a Vortex Strike Fire on mine and it worked great. I now have a Millet DMS-1x4 on it. I do a lot of shooting at night and I needed the magnification for those 100 yard night shots.
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Posted: 5/22/2011 12:46:02 AM
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I am running a Nikon African Monarch 1x4 in a Burris PERP mount. Seems to do ok, I have about 400 rounds through it with this setup. Currently use it to blow shit up and hunt coyotes. I am hopefully going to bag a deer this season. It has great eye relief and is built solid. Best price around was from Primary Arms for $230. A truely smok'n deal.

Previously I had a Busnell 4200 1.25x4 for around $<400. This gets real good reviews on amazon. It lasted about 50 rounds with the socom before the reticle became out of focus. Sent it right back. Got a replacement and it lasted about 200 rounds before the illumination went out (and no, it wasn't the battery). Sent it back and got the Nikon.

Perviously I used a Aimpoint ML3. Worked great, just not for any sort of hunting that I was doing. Also ran irons for a while. Obviously real fast but not what I was looking for in this gun.

Also, my max range with this gun is about 200y. I sight in at 3" high at 100y and do a slight hold over at 200y. Groups with a 4x scope at 200y are about 4-5". Not great, but I ain't no sniper either. It is a slow and heavy round. You pull the trigger and you have to wait for the "thump" at 200y. Pure satisfaction!



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Posted: 5/29/2011 8:57:26 PM
My vote goes Aimpoint, I use a 2 MOA ML3 on mine and it works great.

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Posted: 5/29/2011 11:04:57 PM
I run either a EOTech or a Leupold VXIII 1.75-6 on mine. It depends on the use at the time. When hunting season is here I usually put the Leupold on my main hunting rifle with the EOTech on the back up.
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Posted: 5/29/2011 11:18:05 PM
leupold 2x7 works great.
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I bought a Browning holosight and I love it, it was cheap, but it has not failed or lost its POA/POI in over 200 rounds on a .50 Beo. It cost me $69 but the Browning website lists them at $49. This sight and Barska are the exact same. If it fails it was only 70 bucks, I would then go with the Leupold reflex sight, till then, I will stick with the Browning.




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Posted: 5/30/2011 12:37:20 AM
I use an illuminated 1-4x...
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Posted: 6/3/2011 2:07:31 PM
I currently have the millet dms-1, 1-4power. Would never recommend this scope for the 458 to anyone who is going to hunt. I feel it is way to heavy for what it offers. The magnification isn't high enough for really accurate shots over 100yds. Others have it right with the Leupold's. I have always had good luck with them and will be switching over to a 2-7 or something similar. It really depends on what range you want to shoot at.
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Posted: 6/3/2011 2:15:30 PM
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I currently have the millet dms-1, 1-4power. Would never recommend this scope for the 458 to anyone who is going to hunt. I feel it is way to heavy for what it offers. The magnification isn't high enough for really accurate shots over 100yds. Others have it right with the Leupold's. I have always had good luck with them and will be switching over to a 2-7 or something similar. It really depends on what range you want to shoot at.


I understand the need for some folks to use optics, but I have every confidence in my ability using just irons out to 100 yards with the .458, and surely out to 150-200 with the Aimpoint. It's not that hard for me (evidently I still have really good eyesight)...
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Posted: 6/4/2011 5:06:40 PM
A lot depends on how you are using the weapon. For me a .458 SOCOM would be a bear defense weapon, so I would be looking for simple, fast, close range type optics. For this I like our Mepro M21 reflex sight. It does not require batteries, is built like a tank, has no delicate internal adjustments or electronics, and is always on and always ready. Illumination works in any lighting condition, including total darkness. It is my favorite optic for this purpose. I am not speaking here as the guy from Mako, but as the guy who goes out in the woods with small children and wants something he can trust. When you are standing with a one-year-old in a backpack on your back and a couple young kids at your feet looking at a huge bear track just starting to fill with water, it gives you a whole new perspective on the kind of gear you want to carry.



If you want to use it for hunting, then you may want some magnification. There may be a shotgun or muzzleloader type scope that may have a ballistic reticle that would work for the caliber - I'm not sure, I haven't looked at the ballistics. If you can get your range and holdover correct, you are not limited to only close range shots (Think Adobe Walls).
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Posted: 6/5/2011 1:23:05 PM
I use a 3-9 Burris
Crank it up for load development
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I use mine mainly for hunting and have a Leupold QDMA Rifleman 3-9x40 and I really like it.