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View Quote Agreed ! Some really nice designs...A traditional CNC programmers worst nightmare though...Luckily, there are new software programs to help with such Intricate designs and then transfer them to the CAM... |
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Thanks guys.
It's not my normal thing. My builds are usually more utilitarian. Went a little silly with this one, but what the heck. Got the handguard from Off Hand Gear. The mag works well, so it is a lower cost alternative to the PRI mags. |
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Originally Posted By Hilljack:
Thanks guys. It's not my normal thing. My builds are usually more utilitarian. Went a little silly with this one, but what the heck. Got the handguard from Off Hand Gear. The mag works well, so it is a lower cost alternative to the PRI mags. View Quote Glad everything worked out well for you...keep us posted. |
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Bumping this up. Hopefully I'll get my optic back or cannibalize something else to get this shooting in 2016.
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Originally Posted By ronnl001:
Bumping this up. Hopefully I'll get my optic back or cannibalize something else to get this shooting in 2016. View Quote I may have a brand new spare optic sitting in its box (Tasco Whitetail Classic 6-20x44mm w/ 1 inch Tube Dia. w/ Mil-Dot Rec.) Have a happy and healthy New Year 2016 everyone, and a special thanks to all the 6.5mm PCC end users... |
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http://www.midwayusa.com/product/777438/sierra-custom-matchking-bullets-264-caliber-65mm-264-diameter-926-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-100-bulk-packaged?cm_mmc=pe_weekly-_-hotbuy-_-sierra-_-20160201
These might interest you guys a little. |
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Originally Posted By smokinghole:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/777438/sierra-custom-matchking-bullets-264-caliber-65mm-264-diameter-926-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-box-of-100-bulk-packaged?cm_mmc=pe_weekly-_-hotbuy-_-sierra-_-20160201 These might interest you guys a little. View Quote They look great...should work great in the 6.5mm PCC round. I wonder what the projectile length and BC are. Thanks again for the update. |
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I measured 0.955". I think the BC is .315, it was loaded in some 6.5 swede I believe, can't find the link again.
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Originally Posted By smokinghole:
I measured 0.955". I think the BC is .315, it was loaded in some 6.5 swede I believe, can't find the link again. View Quote My guess is @ .955" projectile length and considering it is SMK BT design it might be closer to .350 BC...a 95gr Hornady V-Max has a similar length and a .365 BC with a .195 SD... So in the 6.5mm PCC with a 20" and longer barrel length the SMK above should max out at around 2,850 fps. as far as velocity is concerned... Thanks again for all the great Info. |
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Hi guys,
I am looking to blow some money and get into something new! I am very interested in this cal! I know it's not a Grendel but I know it can do good . Can I push this one with a 18 or 20 inch barrel to 600 accurately? Does anyone make barrels? How does it work in standard ar mags? Thanks all |
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Originally Posted By Mnwhiskeyman:
Hi guys, I am looking to blow some money and get into something new! I am very interested in this cal! I know it's not a Grendel but I know it can do good . Can I push this one with a 18 or 20 inch barrel to 600 accurately? Does anyone make barrels? How does it work in standard ar mags? Thanks all View Quote The 20" bbl. length is the most popular in this caliber and 600 yard shots are not a problem with loads the barrel likes...most standard AR-15 mil-spec generally work fine but specific makes and types work best that allow the longest COL...Barrels are made to the customers specs. and dies are currently out of stock and are being ordered. BHW makes the barrels and Lee Precision makes the dies Including the FCD's. Barrels take 12-16 weeks from order date. There is plenty of real life end user results on the thread here...Including accuracy and velocity results as well as load development... You can also email/IM me for further details. |
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would love to have someone build me an upper. Looks like Hornady makes dies as well.
I will be placing an order with BHW soon |
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check your email :)
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I am very curious to see hoe far I can push this! I am going to get one and want to push it to 1000
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[#17]
Originally Posted By Mnwhiskeyman:
I am very curious to see hoe far I can push this! I am going to get one and want to push it to 1000 View Quote I don't know if anyone has tried a 1K yards with it yet, but there are a few that have done 600 and 800 yards...my local range only goes to 100 yards and the private land I go to maxes out to about 500 yards or so...can it be done well the short answer is: Yes. Thanks. |
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[#18]
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Slight correction, according to the Hornady website they are still being made, however they are very difficult to find in stock...365 G1 BC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Hornady used to make a really nice 95gr. V-Max pill that was accurate and had good BC...but I think they discontinued it for some reason. Did they discontinue it? I thought they still made it? Slight correction, according to the Hornady website they are still being made, however they are very difficult to find in stock...365 G1 BC. I can testify to this, of all the rounds that I have shot, this is one of the most accurate and very good velocity for a 95 grain pill, I get almost 2900 fps out of this very nice high bc bullet with my 24" PCC barrel. I was fortunate I got about 10 boxes of these when there were available. |
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
I can testify to this, of all the rounds that I have shot, this is one of the most accurate and very good velocity for a 95 grain pill, I get almost 2900 fps out of this very nice high bc bullet with my 24" PCC barrel. I was fortunate I got about 10 boxes of these when there were available. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By RedFalconBill:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Hornady used to make a really nice 95gr. V-Max pill that was accurate and had good BC...but I think they discontinued it for some reason. Did they discontinue it? I thought they still made it? Slight correction, according to the Hornady website they are still being made, however they are very difficult to find in stock...365 G1 BC. I can testify to this, of all the rounds that I have shot, this is one of the most accurate and very good velocity for a 95 grain pill, I get almost 2900 fps out of this very nice high bc bullet with my 24" PCC barrel. I was fortunate I got about 10 boxes of these when there were available. Sadly they are nearly Impossible to find In stock and they work so well in the 6.5mm PCC as well as the 6.5 Grendel and others like the 6.5 CM and .260 Remington. |
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[#20]
Bumping this thread.
Still haven't gotten to do much shooting with mine. Soon... |
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[Last Edit: Dr69er]
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Bumping so this doesn't slip into the archives before I have a chance to read through all 49 pages
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Originally Posted By Dr69er:
We have gotten around 2,318 fps.(maxium) with the 123gr Hornady A-Max with the H335 using a 22" bbl. The 123gr. SMK is longer and tops off between 2,288 fps. to 2,302 fps. (maxium) using the same H335 powder and a 22" bbl. We have gotten around 2,240 fps. with the 144gr. Lapua FMJBT round in the 6.5mm PCC w/ a 22" bbl. using H335 powder. So with 123gr. class the Hornady A-Max does the best with the 6.5mm PCC round. View Quote Wow! I just plugged these into Hornadays ballistic calculator. Even at 1000 yards the 123gr Amax is still (just barely) supersonic! And just a little over 100 fps behind the Grendel round! The most surprising is with the 144gr Lapua, it is still a few fps faster than the grendel with the 123gr Amax. This is astonishing to me. I was looking to do a Grendel build but I am going the PCC route. I will be contacting you guys when I get the funds together for the barrel purchase. Thanks for all of your work on this project. |
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Originally Posted By Et2ss:
Wow! I just plugged these into Hornadays ballistic calculator. Even at 1000 yards the 123gr Amax is still (just barely) supersonic! And just a little over 100 fps behind the Grendel round! The most surprising is with the 144gr Lapua, it is still a few fps faster than the grendel with the 123gr Amax. This is astonishing to me. I was looking to do a Grendel build but I am going the PCC route. I will be contacting you guys when I get the funds together for the barrel purchase. Thanks for all of your work on this project. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Et2ss:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
We have gotten around 2,318 fps.(maxium) with the 123gr Hornady A-Max with the H335 using a 22" bbl. The 123gr. SMK is longer and tops off between 2,288 fps. to 2,302 fps. (maxium) using the same H335 powder and a 22" bbl. We have gotten around 2,240 fps. with the 144gr. Lapua FMJBT round in the 6.5mm PCC w/ a 22" bbl. using H335 powder. So with 123gr. class the Hornady A-Max does the best with the 6.5mm PCC round. Wow! I just plugged these into Hornadays ballistic calculator. Even at 1000 yards the 123gr Amax is still (just barely) supersonic! And just a little over 100 fps behind the Grendel round! The most surprising is with the 144gr Lapua, it is still a few fps faster than the grendel with the 123gr Amax. This is astonishing to me. I was looking to do a Grendel build but I am going the PCC route. I will be contacting you guys when I get the funds together for the barrel purchase. Thanks for all of your work on this project. Welcome aboard, we will try to get you set-up when you are ready... Thanks. |
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Is H-100V a viable option for some 90-100gr pills? Got a few pounds of and and figured it was worth a try.
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Originally Posted By Bruizer:
Is H-100V a viable option for some 90-100gr pills? Got a few pounds of and and figured it was worth a try. View Quote No one that I know of has tried this powder in the 6.5mm PCC case, with that said It is likely to slow of a powder for a 30-32 grain capacity round...but who knows. Good luck. |
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haven't read through this thread in a few years but I discovered ASC stainless mags with a claimed 2.315 +/- .010" so tossed in a 20 rounder with my last mag purchase to try out. took it out this am and it ran flawless mine mic'd out at 2.309. ran 70 rounds 2.305" through it. they are thin and I'm not sure i'd trust them for shtf use but for maximizing loads for little money for range/hunting use I think there g2g.
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Originally Posted By garred8787:
haven't read through this thread in a few years but I discovered ASC stainless mags with a claimed 2.315 +/- .010" so tossed in a 20 rounder with my last mag purchase to try out. took it out this am and it ran flawless mine mic'd out at 2.309. ran 70 rounds 2.305" through it. they are thin and I'm not sure i'd trust them for shtf use but for maximizing loads for little money for range/hunting use I think there g2g. View Quote Glad it worked out for you....most will get a minimum of 2.285" COL with the ASC mags and often up to 2.305" with a little bit of wiggle room. Thanks again for the update. |
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has anyone tried 8208xbr with this cartridge yet? or is H335 still the king for velocity? whats the best powder for 123 a-max's?
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Originally Posted By garred8787:
has anyone tried 8208xbr with this cartridge yet? or is H335 still the king for velocity? whats the best powder for 123 a-max's? View Quote I'm not sure if anyone has tried it in the 6.5mm PCC...It may be a bit to slow and/or bulky of a powder for good performance in terms of velocity, but who knows it may actually work just fine. |
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Bumping this
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[#32]
anything new??
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[#33]
Originally Posted By Et2ss:
Wow! I just plugged these into Hornadays ballistic calculator. Even at 1000 yards the 123gr Amax is still (just barely) supersonic! And just a little over 100 fps behind the Grendel round! The most surprising is with the 144gr Lapua, it is still a few fps faster than the grendel with the 123gr Amax. This is astonishing to me. I was looking to do a Grendel build but I am going the PCC route. I will be contacting you guys when I get the funds together for the barrel purchase. Thanks for all of your work on this project. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Et2ss:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
We have gotten around 2,318 fps.(maxium) with the 123gr Hornady A-Max with the H335 using a 22" bbl. The 123gr. SMK is longer and tops off between 2,288 fps. to 2,302 fps. (maxium) using the same H335 powder and a 22" bbl. We have gotten around 2,240 fps. with the 144gr. Lapua FMJBT round in the 6.5mm PCC w/ a 22" bbl. using H335 powder. So with 123gr. class the Hornady A-Max does the best with the 6.5mm PCC round. Even at 1000 yards the 123gr Amax is still (just barely) supersonic! And just a little over 100 fps behind the Grendel round! The most surprising is with the 144gr Lapua, it is still a few fps faster than the grendel with the 123gr Amax. This is astonishing to me. I was looking to do a Grendel build but I am going the PCC route. I will be contacting you guys when I get the funds together for the barrel purchase. Thanks for all of your work on this project. Muzzle velocity for 123gr AMAX in a 22" 6.5 Grendel is anywhere from 2580-2620fps most of the time on all the ones I have recorded and logged. I've chrono'd one 20" Lilja barrel that was 2604fps with it. My 16" regularly chronos 2440-2470fps with 123gr Hornady AMAX factory. 123gr Scenar is anywhere from 2450-2520fps from the 16". As to 144gr Lapua FMJBT, the BC on it is listed at .636 G1, which may be true at 3000fps out to 200yds, but there is no published G7 data or radar data that I'm aware of to confirm that BC, even though Lapua was the first company that I know of to publish a radar data-based ballistics program for free for their Scenar line with Quick Targeted Unlimited. If you look at a Hornady or Berger modern target bullet next to the 144gr FMJBT in the 140-143gr weight class, you can see right away there is no way the BC is that high. A 140gr AMAX, for example, has a much longer ogive and better angle on the boat tail. Litz BC on the 140gr AMAX is higher than Hornady states, at .600 G1/.299 G7. It is a much longer bullet overall than the 144gr FMJBT as well. 144gr FMJBT will still be fun to bang steel with though from anything that has the twist rate to stabilize it. |
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
Not sure if you are interpreting your data correctly. Muzzle velocity for 123gr AMAX in a 22" 6.5 Grendel is anywhere from 2580-2620fps most of the time on all the ones I have recorded and logged. I've chrono'd one 20" Lilja barrel that was 2604fps with it. My 16" regularly chronos 2440-2470fps with 123gr Hornady AMAX factory. 123gr Scenar is anywhere from 2450-2520fps from the 16". As to 144gr Lapua FMJBT, the BC on it is listed at .636 G1, which may be true at 3000fps out to 200yds, but there is no published G7 data or radar data that I'm aware of to confirm that BC, even though Lapua was the first company that I know of to publish a radar data-based ballistics program for free for their Scenar line with Quick Targeted Unlimited. If you look at a Hornady or Berger modern target bullet next to the 144gr FMJBT in the 140-143gr weight class, you can see right away there is no way the BC is that high. A 140gr AMAX, for example, has a much longer ogive and better angle on the boat tail. Litz BC on the 140gr AMAX is higher than Hornady states, at .600 G1/.299 G7. It is a much longer bullet overall than the 144gr FMJBT as well. 144gr FMJBT will still be fun to bang steel with though from anything that has the twist rate to stabilize it. View Quote I was going to go this route, but your threads convinced me on the Grendel |
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[#35]
I'm not trying to bash the 6.5 PCC in any way, as I respect those who like to form brass and realize more potential from the 5.56 case, without having to change bolts and mags.
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Originally Posted By LRRPF52:
I'm not trying to bash the 6.5 PCC in any way, as I respect those who like to form brass and realize more potential from the 5.56 case, without having to change bolts and mags. Boiler room difference is enough to consider though, as is usable ogive length. View Quote I think it's a great thing for lighter bullets though. |
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[#37]
I haven't been on in a while. Moved to Texas last year and the job has gotten in the way of anything meaningful in my shooting world. Anyway, noticed a few guys asking about different powders to use, specifically IMR 8208XBR and Hodgdon H100V. Both of those powders are waaaaaayyyy too slow for the 6.5 PCC. The best powders to use in the 6.5 PCC are anything in the Hodgdon H4198 to H335 burn rate on the burn chart, with H335 and magnum primers being the best all around.
As for the distance shooting, most of the bullets that the 6.5 PCC shoots well with, due to case capacity, has been the flat base bullets with a length of .900 to 1.00 inches. Pair this with the H335 and magnum primers and you will have a solid 2800 fps round out of a 22" barrel. My limitations are in an 18" barrel and have settled on Sierra 100 gr HPs (1710), H322, and regular primers (CCI 400 or Federal 205). I also use Quickload software for my load data and have found that the cases I use, Winchester/ IMI, have the best case capacity at 33 gr H20. Also, even though the barrel chambers have been rated up to 62000 PSI (Piezo Wildcat), I'm keeping mine down to 60000 PSI. It is an excellent cartridge to play with in the AR15 style platform. I have no experience with the 6.5 Grendel, so cannot comment on any differences between the two, nor do I have any aspirations to build a Grendel or LBC. Plenty happy with the 6.5 PCC and it's limitations, which, for me, there are none. The longest distance that I have shot my 18" barrel at is 300 yds, with boring regularity. If I could stretch it out, I'm sure I could get it out there a little further. Also, still have not had the chance to use this on any game yet, but should have the opportunity in the future on some hogs and have no doubts as to the ability of this cartridge to do it's job! Good luck and stay safe! |
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I imagine my question has been answered but how's the 6.5 PCC do in an SBR format? What can be reasonably expected from a +/- 12" barrel?
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[#39]
Trying to test out those 95gr. Lehigh CC monolithic projo's with H335 as the weather starts to finally warm up...
Link Although getting good accuracy out of them may be quite a challenge since the monolithic projo's tend not to give good accuracy with polygonal rifled barrels...we will see. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
I imagine my question has been answered but how's the 6.5 PCC do in an SBR format? What can be reasonably expected from a +/- 12" barrel? View Quote |
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seem to recall the 6.5PCC did better in short barrels than the 6.5g did?
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Originally Posted By garred8787:
seem to recall the 6.5PCC did better in short barrels than the 6.5g did? View Quote ordered his barrel for SBR/Pistol and Suppressor use and reported very good velocities as good or better than the Grendel with similar barrel lengths. |
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[Last Edit: spinlite1]
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Originally Posted By hockeynick39:
I haven't been on in a while. Moved to Texas last year and the job has gotten in the way of anything meaningful in my shooting world. Anyway, noticed a few guys asking about different powders to use, specifically IMR 8208XBR and Hodgdon H100V. Both of those powders are waaaaaayyyy too slow for the 6.5 PCC. The best powders to use in the 6.5 PCC are anything in the Hodgdon H4198 to H335 burn rate on the burn chart, with H335 and magnum primers being the best all around. As for the distance shooting, most of the bullets that the 6.5 PCC shoots well with, due to case capacity, has been the flat base bullets with a length of .900 to 1.00 inches. Pair this with the H335 and magnum primers and you will have a solid 2800 fps round out of a 22" barrel. My limitations are in an 18" barrel and have settled on Sierra 100 gr HPs (1710), H322, and regular primers (CCI 400 or Federal 205). I also use Quickload software for my load data and have found that the cases I use, Winchester/ IMI, have the best case capacity at 33 gr H20. Also, even though the barrel chambers have been rated up to 62000 PSI (Piezo Wildcat), I'm keeping mine down to 60000 PSI. It is an excellent cartridge to play with in the AR15 style platform. I have no experience with the 6.5 Grendel, so cannot comment on any differences between the two, nor do I have any aspirations to build a Grendel or LBC. Plenty happy with the 6.5 PCC and it's limitations, which, for me, there are none. The longest distance that I have shot my 18" barrel at is 300 yds, with boring regularity. If I could stretch it out, I'm sure I could get it out there a little further. Also, still have not had the chance to use this on any game yet, but should have the opportunity in the future on some hogs and have no doubts as to the ability of this cartridge to do it's job! Good luck and stay safe! View Quote Glad to see this thread still going after all this time. If you like reloading, and have plenty of 223 Brass, you can't go wrong with this round. It is the most performance of any round I have heard of based on the 223 case, and the 6.5 bullet selection is very good these days. |
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Like Hockeynick, it has been a while since I posted on here, spent the last couple years playing around with some other rounds, but just started shooting and loading for it again. I have been extremely impressed at how good this round shoots, it is still one of my most accurate rounds, I have shot it mostly at 100 yards and consistently group sub MOA, occasionally sub .5 MOA. I have hunted with it, and so far it has taken 2 bucks and 1 doe all were under 100 yards. I am getting it set up to do some yote hunting and hog hunting, I seem to get pretty good accuracy with the 100g Barnes TTSX at about 2850 fps, which will be a great bullet for Hogs. I hunted deer with the SST 123g at 2440 fps. This is from the 22" barrel, I also have a 24" barrell version but velocity is pretty much maxed out at 22" I see almost no difference in velocity between the 22" and 24". Most users have the best results with the H335 powder with mag primers, I have had the best Velocity and very good accuracy with H4198 with Bench Rest Primers for 100 grain bullets and down, and h335 for anything heavier. Glad to see this thread still going after all this time. If you like reloading, and have plenty of 223 Brass, you can't go wrong with this round. It is the most performance of any round I have heard of based on the 223 case, and the 6.5 bullet selection is very good these days. View Quote |
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[#46]
Nice.
Banged some steel out to around 500 - 600 yards with so 107's a while back. Yep, still fun. |
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[#48]
Got invited to do some hog culling out on a lease, but have to wait until deer season is over the first part of February. I will be using some snipped tip 123 gr SSTs (basically hollow points), 25.4 gr H322, Fed 205or CCI 400 SRP, and OAL 2,285" for approximately 2450 fps from an 18" bbl. If that doesn't work out too well, then I can go to the 100 gr Hornady SP, 28.4 gr H335, CCI 450 SRMP, and OAL 2.285" for approximately 2660 fps from the same 18" bbl. Either one should do the job just fine. I wish I could do a wet newspaper test at the range I belong to, but these guys are some NAZIs when it comes to anything down range besides a gong or paper target. Guess that's what happens when it is a private range versus a club type range . Good luck, good hunting, and stay safe!
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[#49]
Doc, sorry I missed your post.
This load is kinda slow at 2500 FPS. It takes 13.75 moa to get to 500 yards and close to 19 moa at 600 yards. Should probably try some H335 with this bullet. |
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[#50]
Yes, H335 will maximize this cartridge, but for me it's too dirty and I have switched to H322. I'm sure there are probably better burning powders out there, but H322 works in my rifle.
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