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Glad to see you are sending some lead down range spinlite1. On barrel cleaning, after break in, I don't clean very often at all.
Started messing around with a different combo today. With the firearms related drought the last year or so, about the only powder available was LT-32. So, gave it a go with SMK 107's. Maybe not a good combo, as the 107's are pretty long. Started out with 21.0 grains and worked up to 22.6 . At 21 grains, there is a slight crunch when seating the bullet. All these loads were mild, and most would not lock the bolt back, on the last round. All the loads did cycle the action enough to chamber the next round in the mag. Only measured the speed of one round, from the first few loads. Measured 3 rounds from 21.8 grains and up. 107 SMK LT-32...........FPS 21.8............2280 22.0............2260 22.2............2298 22.4............2340 22.6............2351 Yeah, pretty slow. Will try some more powder, but dunno how much more will fit in the case. Accuracy seemed pretty good. Didn't shoot all the lightly loaded rounds on paper. Shot them on steel at 300 yards. Keeping them on the small plate at that range was easy. |
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Originally Posted By Hilljack:
Glad to see you are sending some lead down range spinlite1. On barrel cleaning, after break in, I don't clean very often at all. Started messing around with a different combo today. With the firearms related drought the last year or so, about the only powder available was LT-32. So, gave it a go with SMK 107's. Maybe not a good combo, as the 107's are pretty long. Started out with 21.0 grains and worked up to 22.6 . At 21 grains, there is a slight crunch when seating the bullet. All these loads were mild, and most would not lock the bolt back, on the last round. All the loads did cycle the action enough to chamber the next round in the mag. Only measured the speed of one round, from the first few loads. Measured 3 rounds from 21.8 grains and up. 107 SMK LT-32...........FPS 21.8............2280 22.0............2260 22.2............2298 22.4............2340 22.6............2351 Yeah, pretty slow. Will try some more powder, but dunno how much more will fit in the case. Accuracy seemed pretty good. Didn't shoot all the lightly loaded rounds on paper. Shot them on steel at 300 yards. Keeping them on the small plate at that range was easy. View Quote Those Sie. 107gr. pills are very long for caliber (somewhere in the 1.240" area IIRC) they have great BC but chew up a huge amount of case capacity and thus you will probably only get just 1 gr. or 1.5 gr. extra out of your cases with LT-32 powder...As long as accuracy is really good just go with It. You will need to load these Sie. 107's as long as possible and select the best powder for any decent velocity potential. Good luck and keep us posted with your field results. Did you ever get a chance cut down your original barrel length ? Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Dr69er:
You should have no problems with the BR primers with any powder type as they tend to be very stable heat/temp/Ignition. Some guys like to wet and then dry patch the bore after every few strings for a constant results when working up loads... Since we have Polygonal bores cleaning is not as much of a Issue with this bore type... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dr69er:
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Would a slower powder help, just wondering if the longer barrel will like slower powder better, Although I got pretty close to the same velocity with VV-N133 and it is quite a bit faster than H335, Just thinking out loud. I am assuming your 29.7 H335 load was with CCI 450 primers? I use rem 7 1/2 and wolf 556 mag primers with the same results. the problem with slower powder is we don't have room for more powder so slower powders are hard to get to work. some guys have gone about a grain higher with h335 than me but my gun don't like them that warm, it beats up the cases pretty good. i have gotten similar velocity with re7, xterminator I will rerun my loads with CCI 450 primers, and Rem BR primers, so far they give me the best velocity and accuracy, and see what happens, thanks for the advice. I know Vic advised not to use Mag primers with extruded powder like the VV-N133, is there a problem with running the Rem BR primers with it, I seem to get my best accuracy with it? Also a question about cleaning, Do you or any of the other guys clean after a certain # of firings when at the range shooting, or just wait till you get done at home? I have not been running any patches or even a bore snake thru my gun till I get back to the house. You should have no problems with the BR primers with any powder type as they tend to be very stable heat/temp/Ignition. Some guys like to wet and then dry patch the bore after every few strings for a constant results when working up loads... Since we have Polygonal bores cleaning is not as much of a Issue with this bore type... Thanks, I will use the BR primers with the VV-N133, and the 450 with the H335, So I will not worry about running a wet and dry patch thru while at the range. |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
I normally don't clean while i am at the range after my rifles are broke in. I clean when i am home, shoot 5 of my standard loads then i do my work up loads. normally i clean after 1-200 rounds not saying it is right just what i do. View Quote Thanks good to know what others are doing. |
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Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Did you ever get a chance cut down your original barrel length ? Thanks. View Quote I'm not planning to cut my barrel down. Maybe someone else was thinking about that? Wouldn't mind turning it down to get some weight off of it. Probably won't make any changes, as it seems to be pretty accurate as it is. |
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Originally Posted By Hilljack:
I'm not planning to cut my barrel down. Maybe someone else was thinking about that? Wouldn't mind turning it down to get some weight off of it. Probably won't make any changes, as it seems to be pretty accurate as it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Hilljack:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Did you ever get a chance cut down your original barrel length ? Thanks. I'm not planning to cut my barrel down. Maybe someone else was thinking about that? Wouldn't mind turning it down to get some weight off of it. Probably won't make any changes, as it seems to be pretty accurate as it is. Ah yes, It was one of the other guys who was thinking of doing that to his 24" barrel and then trimming down to 18" or 20" ... I had thought it was you at first... |
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Just wanted to get an opinion from this group who have a lot of experience with wildcats, I have been reading a lot about the 6 x 6.8 wildcat that BHW sells, it sounds like a great 6mm wild cat.
What is the opinion of those on this forum of the pro's and con's of this 6x6.8 compared to the 6x45, I like the idea of staying with the 223 brass, but like the performance of the 6x6.8, I have always been interested in a 6mm AR wildcat, so looking for feedback for a possible future project. Thanks in advance for being such a helpful group |
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Just wanted to get an opinion from this group who have a lot of experience with wildcats, I have been reading a lot about the 6 x 6.8 wildcat that BHW sells, it sounds like a great 6mm wild cat. What is the opinion of those on this forum of the pro's and con's of this 6x6.8 compared to the 6x45, I like the idea of staying with the 223 brass, but like the performance of the 6x6.8, I have always been interested in a 6mm AR wildcat, so looking for feedback for a possible future project. Thanks in advance for being such a helpful group View Quote Yep, there lies the problem with non .223/5.56mm based wildcats, the cost and availability of brass...Until that Issue is resolved it makes it difficult to justify the additional costs Involved by using a larger capacity cases like the 6.8 SPC or the 6.5 Grendel for example...Also, the use of non standard bolts and mags can which also adds to the complication, and with the bolts that have a lower strength threshold and thus must be used with lower pressures to reduce bolt thrust, etc. One would have to choose a low cost and widely available parent brass case with the ability to to get a minimum of 35/36 grains of case capacity to have a desired effect with additional performance, while keeping the case head diameter within acceptable design parameters for the AR-15 platform... It is certainly not a easy task when you also have to factor-in the max. COL limits of the AR-15 magwell, and use of non standard magazines,etc. The .308 Winchester based wildcats seems to make the most sense from a cost perspective when considering cost/availability brass and case capacity but nobody is all that thrilled to switch to the larger framed AR-10/AR-308 rifle platform due mostly to the size, weight, and cost penalty Involved...While this may change due to the fact that DPMS has come out with a new GII (G2) AR-308 series that is lighter, more compact, etc. As I understand it DPMS as well as other manufactures who are looking to adapt this "new" style "platform or series if what to call it that" will be selling components in the near future...This will likely spawn wildcatters to embrace the new G2 style or version of the larger frame AR platform... |
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hellz yeah
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Originally Posted By Bruizer:
hellz yeah View Quote We will also do some more In depth testing with the Barnes 6.5mm 100 gr. TTSX pills as they deserve a closer look as a premium hunting and home defense round, just wish they were not so expensive so we can do a larger test group with this Apex round/projectile with as many powders that work well with the 6.5mm PCC. We are also having a ammo manufacturer do some field testing for us with a super high quality projectile that will be specifically made for the 6.5mm PCC round ! We will be looking closely at a relatively high BC (likely monolithic) pill in the 80 grain weight class to be driven in the 3,200 fps. vicinity...more details to come... The ammo manufacturer (owner) that is conducting the testing with various pills (mostly 85gr. to 120gr. weights) was extremely Impressed with the accuracy and velocity with the (off the rack 6.5mm PCC AR-15 20" Barrel, NOT a special test barrel) 20" SS 6.5mm PCC barrel, he did mention that all the rounds he loaded produced sub MOA groups... He produces mostly .300 Blackout ammo for AR's and Bolt Action rifles so he is very familiar with both rifle platforms and is a licensed 06 FFL manufacturer... If we can get enough samples I would like to send some out to our loyal and dedicated 6.5mm PCC end users out there, so all of you fellas that are Interested let me know...Depending how things work out I may have one or two of our end user do some of the real world field testing... Thanks fellas. |
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We will also do some more In depth testing with the Barnes 6.5mm 100 gr. TTSX pills as they deserve a closer look as a premium hunting and home defense
round, just wish they were not so expensive so we can do a larger test group with this Apex round/projectile with as many powders that work well with the 6.5mm PCC. We are also having a ammo manufacturer do some field testing for us with a super high quality projectile that will be specifically made for the 6.5mm PCC round ! We will be looking closely at a relatively high BC (likely monolithic) pill in the 80 grain weight class to be driven in the 3,200 fps. vicinity...more details to come... The ammo manufacturer (owner) that is conducting the testing with various pills (mostly 85gr. to 120gr. weights) was extremely Impressed with the accuracy and velocity with the (off the rack 6.5mm PCC AR-15 20" Barrel, NOT a special test barrel) 20" SS 6.5mm PCC barrel, he did mention that all the rounds he loaded produced sub MOA groups... He produces mostly .300 Blackout ammo for AR's and Bolt Action rifles so he is very familiar with both rifle platforms and is a licensed 06 FFL manufacturer... If we can get enough samples I would like to send some out to our loyal and dedicated 6.5mm PCC end users out there, so all of you fellas that are Interested let me know...Depending how things work out I may have one or two of our end user do some of the real world field testing... Thanks fellas. |
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Vic, If I could get you and as many as possible to send me all there loading data, I would be happy to build a spread sheet with it so to give us all a very easy to use reference and it would help future new comers, just an offer.
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Vic, If I could get you and as many as possible to send me all there loading data, I would be happy to build a spread sheet with it so to give us all a very easy to use reference and it would help future new comers, just an offer. View Quote pm me your email address and i will email you my excel work book with all of my data in it. |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
pm me your email address and i will email you my excel work book with all of my data in it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Vic, If I could get you and as many as possible to send me all there loading data, I would be happy to build a spread sheet with it so to give us all a very easy to use reference and it would help future new comers, just an offer. pm me your email address and i will email you my excel work book with all of my data in it. Thanks for doing that Biggdawg, and SpinLite1 thanks for doing the spread sheet layout, I have been meaning to do that for quite a while but been so darn busy of late, personal and business... You guys are just great. |
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I'm taking out my 6.5 PCC in 18" to rerun some 100gr TTSX rounds this Saunday. My previous data was based off of 22" barrel so I want new info in case I can get to go to TX later this year. I'll put pics and info.
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Originally Posted By Lakemoor:
I'm taking out my 6.5 PCC in 18" to rerun some 100gr TTSX rounds this Saunday. My previous data was based off of 22" barrel so I want new info in case I can get to go to TX later this year. I'll put pics and info. View Quote Lakemoor, What type of accuracy and velocity were you getting with the 22" version and the Barnes 100gr. TTSX pills...Also, what powder(s) did you use and did it favor a particular powder ? I'm sure some of the newer 6.5mm PCC end users would benefit with that particular load combo... Thanks again. |
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I'll post load data after Sunday. Accuracy I can't remember but was 1 MOA or less. I'm going mostly to test velocity. Using pulled bullets and some tips got squashed a little from the impact bullet puller. The original TTSX loads were in virgin brass. Wanted to used fire formed brass to get a little more juice out of it.
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Originally Posted By Lakemoor:
I'll post load data after Sunday. Accuracy I can't remember but was 1 MOA or less. I'm going mostly to test velocity. Using pulled bullets and some tips got squashed a little from the impact bullet puller. The original TTSX loads were in virgin brass. Wanted to used fire formed brass to get a little more juice out of it. View Quote Thanks, Sounds good to me. |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
pm me your email address and i will email you my excel work book with all of my data in it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Vic, If I could get you and as many as possible to send me all there loading data, I would be happy to build a spread sheet with it so to give us all a very easy to use reference and it would help future new comers, just an offer. pm me your email address and i will email you my excel work book with all of my data in it. DONE, THANKS |
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Vic, If I could get you and as many as possible to send me all there loading data, I would be happy to build a spread sheet with it so to give us all a very easy to use reference and it would help future new comers, just an offer. pm me your email address and i will email you my excel work book with all of my data in it. DONE, THANKS SpineLite1, I sent you a email...(Good News). |
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I don't have that much load data. Here are two accuracy loads. Loaded to fit/function in PRI mags.
Bullet: 85 grain Seirra 1700 Brass: PMC Powder: H335, 29.5 grains Around 2900 FPS _____________________________ Bullet: 123 grain Hornady A-Max, with the tip pulled out. Brass: Lake City ONLY Powder: H335, 27.4 grains. Around 2500 FPS This is a MAX load in my 20" barrelled rifle. Accidentally loaded a piece of PMC brass with this charge/bullet. It was WAY over pressure. Hope to finalize a 107 SMK / LT-32 in the next few weeks. |
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Originally Posted By Hilljack:
I don't have that much load data. Here are two accuracy loads. Loaded to fit/function in PRI mags. Bullet: 85 grain Seirra 1700 Brass: PMC Powder: H335, 29.5 grains Around 2900 FPS _____________________________ Bullet: 123 grain Hornady A-Max, with the tip pulled out. Brass: Lake City ONLY Powder: H335, 27.4 grains. Around 2500 FPS This is a MAX load in my 20" barrelled rifle. Accidentally loaded a piece of PMC brass with this charge/bullet. It was WAY over pressure. Hope to finalize a 107 SMK / LT-32 in the next few weeks. View Quote Thanks for the load Info., glad there was no damage with that mix-up you had...Keep us posted. |
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Originally Posted By AR-4C:
What is the maximum COL for the 6.5 PCC that will still be safe to chamber, and still fit inside the mag well. Here is why I'm wanting to find out because I have the ability to TIG weld. http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/AVIDavid1982/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps0d93ad13.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AR-4C:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By AR-4C:
Have you thought about modifying the front of an aluminum mag using a TIG welder to get a longer COL? Unfortunately, welding is not my forte...It could possibly work though for someone with some really good welding skills... There was a guy do did a you tube video who milled a slot on a Pmag so he could use longer COL's pills for his WSSM rounds....I try to find the video link.... I also have a friend who modded a few standard AR-15 mags into a single/center column feed with COL's in the 2.400" area and he was getting just above 2,600 feet per second with 123gr. VLD rounds with my original 6.5mm AR-TCU barrel (which was cut from a 4150 CM Pac-Nor Poly 5 G blank). What is the maximum COL for the 6.5 PCC that will still be safe to chamber, and still fit inside the mag well. Here is why I'm wanting to find out because I have the ability to TIG weld. http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/AVIDavid1982/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps0d93ad13.jpg here is the data from my 6.5 pcc hope this helps |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
here is the data from my 6.5 pcc hope this helps <a href="http://s4.photobucket.com/user/BIGGDAWG800/media/pccbulletdata_zpsf710dea3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/BIGGDAWG800/pccbulletdata_zpsf710dea3.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By AR-4C:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By AR-4C:
Have you thought about modifying the front of an aluminum mag using a TIG welder to get a longer COL? Unfortunately, welding is not my forte...It could possibly work though for someone with some really good welding skills... There was a guy do did a you tube video who milled a slot on a Pmag so he could use longer COL's pills for his WSSM rounds....I try to find the video link.... I also have a friend who modded a few standard AR-15 mags into a single/center column feed with COL's in the 2.400" area and he was getting just above 2,600 feet per second with 123gr. VLD rounds with my original 6.5mm AR-TCU barrel (which was cut from a 4150 CM Pac-Nor Poly 5 G blank). What is the maximum COL for the 6.5 PCC that will still be safe to chamber, and still fit inside the mag well. Here is why I'm wanting to find out because I have the ability to TIG weld. http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/AVIDavid1982/Mobile%20Uploads/photo_zps0d93ad13.jpg here is the data from my 6.5 pcc hope this helps <a href="http://s4.photobucket.com/user/BIGGDAWG800/media/pccbulletdata_zpsf710dea3.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/BIGGDAWG800/pccbulletdata_zpsf710dea3.jpg</a> Thanks BiggDawg for listing that chart... |
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Doc,
Let me know what you need. I still have plenty of powders for testing available in an 18" barrel. Also would like to try out those factory jobs too! |
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Forgive my ignorance, what does LTO stand for.
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length to ogive of the bullet so it is the base of the bullet to the ogive of the bullet same with the distance to the lands. it is more consistent when getting measurements than taking them from the tip.
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Just a quick update, we ordered a few E-Lander .223/5.56mm NATO magazines (Made In Israel) for evaluation and to see how they compare to
the Apex of .223/5.56mm Magazines, the H&K-416 Maritime Mags (Made in Germany)...The mags seem to be very promising in both build quality and hopefully long COL...Prices seem pretty reasonable vs. the H&K-416's. Some quick pics to follow tomorrow, as well as a overall first Impressions of the magazine Itself, Including a COL measurement...Thanks. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-0581 |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG: here is the data from my 6.5 pcc hope this helps View Quote I am completely new to reloading, and seeing promise in the 6.5 PCC; I have to educate myself in the methodologies of reloading to be able to use this round. With that said, is there a source of information online to read to understand the information listed in order to be able to apply it in modifying a magazine? |
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Originally Posted By AR-4C:
I am completely new to reloading, and seeing promise in the 6.5 PCC; I have to educate myself in the methodologies of reloading to be able to use this round. With that said, is there a source of information online to read to understand the information listed in order to be able to apply it in modifying a magazine? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AR-4C:
Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG: here is the data from my 6.5 pcc hope this helps I am completely new to reloading, and seeing promise in the 6.5 PCC; I have to educate myself in the methodologies of reloading to be able to use this round. With that said, is there a source of information online to read to understand the information listed in order to be able to apply it in modifying a magazine? AR-4C, I will send you a email (in the coming days) giving some reloading tips in general and also specific reloading tips for the 6.5mm PCC round... Thanks. |
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Also got some more Info. with regards to the 95gr. solid brass monolithic controlled expansion hollow-points...Looks like the velocity
range is in the 2,850 fps. to 2,900 fps.with the limited amount of testing being done so far in a 20" Bbl. length...So velocity seems to be quite good. One of the few down sides being is that the monolithic style projectiles design necessitates a longer length to weight ratio, with the length being in the 1.248" range. The other being that the accuracy is not quite as good as the conventional style projectiles in a polygonal bored rifle...BC's are estimated in the .410 range with the 95 grainers... We are looking to get 80gr. to 85gr. projectiles made specifically for the 6.5mm PCC round and we are estimating a velocity range of 3,150 fps. to 3,200 fps. with BC's around .390 to .400.... Thanks. |
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Bruizer,
Your 6.5mm PCC Bbl. should be here tomorrow and ship no later than following day...enjoy. |
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Vic, If I could get you and as many as possible to send me all there loading data, I would be happy to build a spread sheet with it so to give us all a very easy to use reference and it would help future new comers, just an offer. View Quote If anyone else has reload data for the 6.5PCC please send it to [email protected], I will add it to the spread sheet, and than make it available to everyone. Thanks |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
this is a misconception in 308 this is true but in 5.56 it is just the opposite. here is a chart from 6mmbr.com site http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/BIGGDAWG800/223capcity.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Loaded up some more 6.5mm PCC rounds, took this crappy phone pic of a new virgin Lake City 223/5.56 case trimmed to 1.645" and filled w/ H335 powder... http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Doc69er/IMG_20111010_153451.jpg This is one reason I love to use LC brass for the 6.5 PCC round... What is the reason? Was that case sized to 6.5PCC? I thought LC 5.56 brass had slightly more material / less capacity. Still learning about the differences in 223/556 brass, what is the difference between wcc11 and wcc99 brass. All the new/virgin LC brass I tested thus far has shown the best capacity (all over 31 grs.w/ H335 powder). They come factory annealed, and the primer flash holes are factory deburred as well. The brass in the pic is new LC 223/5.56 brass that was trimmed to 1.645" w/ the neck then expanded to 6.5mm. Yes normally the 5.56 brass has less case capacity vs. std .223 brass due to the thicker brass of the 5.56 NATO case. Apparently the LC brass is thicker only at the base of the case body...Go figure, I'll see If I can do a cutaway of some of the various brass case brands to see the difference in thickness. Winchester is my next favorite 223 brass, very good capacity, tight primer pockets, harder brass composition etc. Thanks, this is a misconception in 308 this is true but in 5.56 it is just the opposite. here is a chart from 6mmbr.com site http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/BIGGDAWG800/223capcity.jpg |
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Originally Posted By spinlite1:
Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Originally Posted By Dr69er:
Loaded up some more 6.5mm PCC rounds, took this crappy phone pic of a new virgin Lake City 223/5.56 case trimmed to 1.645" and filled w/ H335 powder... http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/Doc69er/IMG_20111010_153451.jpg This is one reason I love to use LC brass for the 6.5 PCC round... What is the reason? Was that case sized to 6.5PCC? I thought LC 5.56 brass had slightly more material / less capacity. Still learning about the differences in 223/556 brass, what is the difference between wcc11 and wcc99 brass. All the new/virgin LC brass I tested thus far has shown the best capacity (all over 31 grs.w/ H335 powder). They come factory annealed, and the primer flash holes are factory deburred as well. The brass in the pic is new LC 223/5.56 brass that was trimmed to 1.645" w/ the neck then expanded to 6.5mm. Yes normally the 5.56 brass has less case capacity vs. std .223 brass due to the thicker brass of the 5.56 NATO case. Apparently the LC brass is thicker only at the base of the case body...Go figure, I'll see If I can do a cutaway of some of the various brass case brands to see the difference in thickness. Winchester is my next favorite 223 brass, very good capacity, tight primer pockets, harder brass composition etc. Thanks, this is a misconception in 308 this is true but in 5.56 it is just the opposite. here is a chart from 6mmbr.com site http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/BIGGDAWG800/223capcity.jpg Yep, this is why most guys using the .223 Rem/5.56mm NATO parent case prefer the Federal/Lake City brass as well as the Winchester/IMI brass...It generally will give you the best case capacity and in many cases the best value especially when purchased in bulk...The LC brass in particular, also has the added benefit of being factory pre-annealed and the flash holes are de-burred at the factory... |
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Dr69er,
Black Hole Weaponry is offering a 20% discount for the month of August on retail sales on their website. Can you see if they will offer this discount or one comparable for 6.5 PCC barrels? |
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Originally Posted By AR-4C:
Dr69er, Black Hole Weaponry is offering a 20% discount for the month of August on retail sales on their website. Can you see if they will offer this discount or one comparable for 6.5 PCC barrels? View Quote I don't see why not...I will give them a call on Monday, I will non the less honor any 6.5mm PCC barrel work done by us whether or not the barrel is/was purchased through us directly...I would also suggest calling them as well to confirm pricing with the discount(s). |
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Originally Posted By Bruizer:
at long last, the build is complete: <a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sragrim/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140811_150227.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/sragrim/Mobile%20Uploads/20140811_150227.jpg</a> Now the fun part is going to be finding time to get over to the range and break in the barrel/fireform some brass. Thanks again Vic View Quote Looks just great, enjoy and stay safe. Let us know how she shoots when you get a chance to take her to the range. |
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Originally Posted By Hilljack:
Looks good Bruizer, what barrel length did you go with? Think I'm there with the 107 SMK and LT-32 combo. http://x.co/5EVZ0 http://x.co/5EVbW The stove pipe was caused by having the brass catcher attached incorrectly. Started at 21.0 grains of LT-32 and loaded up to 25.4. All loads were compressed. It's not the fastest combo, but it seems accurate . Looks like 24.4 should work. View Quote Nice work Hilljack, I am also liking that 24.6 & 24.7 grain load as well for a decent velocity and accuracy load... Thanks gain and keep us posted. Bruizer has a 20" all black finish barrel version...perhaps he will chime in later... |
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It is a 20 incher.
Impressive results with the 107's hilljack |
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Dr69er,
I've sent an IM your way. |
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Originally Posted By Bruizer:
Got off early today and decided to make the trek to the range, <a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sragrim/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_155533.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/sragrim/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_155533.jpg</a> Fired 15 rounds of 100gr Nosler BT with 24.5gr H335 to get it sighted in/get the chrono setup. Functioned great, the 10rd AR stoner mag and PRI 6.8 spc mag both were problem free. I put together 3 ladders of 3 rounds each just to get a rough idea of velocity/accuracy. 25.5gr H335 averaged 2478 <a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sragrim/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_162003.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/sragrim/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_162003.jpg</a> 26.0gr H335 averaged 2509 <a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sragrim/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_162011.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/sragrim/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_162011.jpg</a> 26.5gr H335 averaged 2539 <a href="http://s306.photobucket.com/user/sragrim/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_162019.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn255/sragrim/Mobile%20Uploads/20140813_162019.jpg</a> Primers were showing signs of pressure at 26 & 26.5, I might try 26.8 with the fireformed brass, but not to comfortable going any higher. Any thoughts/input? View Quote Avoid using CCI 400 Small Rifle Primers as they have thinner cup walls and will show pre-mature primer flattening/signs of pressure... The CCI 450 are fine with ball powders generally as are the Remington, Federal, and Winchester brands.. Also, the brand/type of cases you will be using also will make a difference, generally Federal/Lake City brass as well as Winchester/IMI brass work best (most case capacity) from our experience... It is always a great Idea to measure your case capacity with fresh cases to get a general Idea of where you may reach maximum case capacity prior to fire-forming your cases and then go from there... You will likely max-out at 27.5 grs/27.8 grs. with fire-formed cases/loads depending on your case capacity, COL, etc...[@ 31.8grs. and 2.286" COL], Your velocity will likely be around 2,651 fps. maybe a little higher...The Nosler BT is long for weight and caliber and has a wide bearing surface so velocity does suffer a bit with it's boat-tail as well... Your groups look pretty tight so far...It is also really good to hear that your magazines are also functioning with 100% reliability... Thanks again for the quick update and continued success ! |
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