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Posted: 5/23/2012 7:55:52 AM
I'll really be interesting on how the dies work out. I think there would be a good deal more interest in this cartridge if the dies were easy to obtain.
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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:03:19 AM
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I'll really be interesting on how the dies work out. I think there would be a good deal more interest in this cartridge if the dies were easy to obtain. Totally agree, which is why I want to post how they perform given that Hornady can now reproduce these using the order number versus sending in drawing ro cases. |
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Posted: 5/23/2012 9:00:37 PM
Awesome chew great to hear, I am lovin this rifle. Cant wait to build a bolt gun no thanks to DK
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Posted: 6/6/2012 1:33:09 PM
Got the Hornady dies set up and the sizing die is not sizing the case neck small enough resulting in too little neck tension. I can push the bullets in the case by hand once I seat them a little. This is with once fired brass that was previously sized in the Ch4 die. Could it be that I need to make a fresh batch of brass using the hornady die, fire them, then try?
Or, is my chamber too large in the neck area since I had this problem with the ch4d and now the hornady. Again, this is only with once fired cases. Newly formed cases work fine. My frustration needless to say, is getting me close to scrapping this project. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 1:44:04 PM
Why dont you just get a Redding "S" die setup.
IE 223 die, 25 cal bushing, 25 cal expander. Works perfect for me. I use a 223 seater for normal bullets, no crimp. For pointy bullets like the 115 berger or if I want a slight crimp I use a 25WSSM seater. That works so far. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 2:06:04 PM
Originally Posted By chewbacca:
Got the Hornady dies set up and the sizing die is not sizing the case neck small enough resulting in too little neck tension. I can push the bullets in the case by hand once I seat them a little. This is with once fired brass that was previously sized in the Ch4 die. Could it be that I need to make a fresh batch of brass using the hornady die, fire them, then try? Or, is my chamber too large in the neck area since I had this problem with the ch4d and now the hornady. Again, this is only with once fired cases. Newly formed cases work fine. My frustration needless to say, is getting me close to scrapping this project. Send me some of your once fired cases, I'll run them through my sizing die and send them back to you. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 2:06:28 PM
Originally Posted By tammons:
Why dont you just get a Redding "S" die setup. IE 223 die, 25 cal bushing, 25 cal expander. Works perfect for me. I use a 223 seater for normal bullets, no crimp. For pointy bullets like the 115 berger or if I want a slight crimp I use a 25WSSM seater. That works so far. I just ordered the bushing die and components 320pf suggested. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 2:07:43 PM
aww jesus christ chew again?
man i feel for ya bad, call hornady see what they say but i agree with tammons redding S die is the way to go. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 2:16:52 PM
[Last Edit: 6/6/2012 2:57:56 PM by tammons]
If I remember right you have to send Hornady a few fired cases to create a custom die.
Obviously they use a standard number for expansion and neck diameter with no regard to bullet diameter and tension. If they knew it was a 25 cal shell and they do know the brass wall thickness at the neck then they should have compensated and made adjustments for a larger chamber neck area. I would call them, bitch to no end and send them back and have them send you a new good set of dies. According to Brent the neck area of the chamber is loose so you dont have to neck turn or ream the brass when necking up from 223. Believe me that is a good thing, unless you want to sit around neck turning 1000 rounds of brass for days on end. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 4:14:16 PM
Originally Posted By tammons:
If I remember right you have to send Hornady a few fired cases to create a custom die. Obviously they use a standard number for expansion and neck diameter with no regard to bullet diameter and tension. If they knew it was a 25 cal shell and they do know the brass wall thickness at the neck then they should have compensated and made adjustments for a larger chamber neck area. I would call them, bitch to no end and send them back and have them send you a new good set of dies. According to Brent the neck area of the chamber is loose so you dont have to neck turn or ream the brass when necking up from 223. Believe me that is a good thing, unless you want to sit around neck turning 1000 rounds of brass for days on end. Correct me if I'm wrong but if the dies are sizing properly the neck of the chamber should have no effect on neck tension right? If the die sized the neck down below the size of the expander ball, and the ball then sizes it back out to the proper size for a .257" projectile that should set neck tension. Why would the chamber have anything to do with it? |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 5:01:14 PM
[Last Edit: 6/6/2012 5:04:41 PM by tammons]
It sounds like the neck area of his die is too big by about 0.003 or so.
I am just guessing since I believe that Hornady uses fired cases for machining custom dies. IE they missed the required neck size for this round because of the larger neck fired case. Actually I think they just screwed up in general because they should have known to build the die for a .257 bullet. The neck of a fired shell from my barrel is .282 OD. The OD resized is .275 The OD loaded is .278 so about 0.003 tension.. The Redding bushing I use is a .263 diam. |
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Posted: 6/6/2012 10:15:53 PM
Thanks for the offer VAfish, but since I have the redding s die inbound from Midway, I will just wait for that.... with my fingers crossed.
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Posted: 6/6/2012 11:04:39 PM
It works well.
The only issue I have with it is it does not have a lube/pressure relief hole or whatever you call it. If I get too much lube on the outside of the neck/shoulder area it can get gunked up it will start collapsing the shoulders, so have to take it apart, clean it etc. then its good to go. |
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Posted: 6/7/2012 2:23:05 PM
Originally Posted By tammons:
It works well. The only issue I have with it is it does not have a lube/pressure relief hole or whatever you call it. If I get too much lube on the outside of the neck/shoulder area it can get gunked up it will start collapsing the shoulders, so have to take it apart, clean it etc. then its good to go. Ive had zero issues with the die and i am 3x on @100rnds i just keep loading them to see when they split or show case life deterioration. I havent been shooting it much maybe 3-6rnds a week killin GH's |
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Posted: 6/8/2012 8:51:11 PM
2 more bite the dust I love this gun!
Bagged thos one @ 250yds 
So wanted to shoot this deer! He grazed around me for an hour little Y buck in early velvet 
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Posted: 6/8/2012 9:06:45 PM
Nice rig, when your prone, can you see your impacts at 100 yards? Maybe 50 yards?
Your rifle looks at home in that field. I have that brake on a 5.56, but haven't finished the rifle yet(needs a pin job) |
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Posted: 6/8/2012 11:39:09 PM
Originally Posted By Operator42:
Nice rig, when your prone, can you see your impacts at 100 yards? Maybe 50 yards? Your rifle looks at home in that field. I have that brake on a 5.56, but haven't finished the rifle yet(needs a pin job) I can see hits all day long almost zero recoil, the one I hit at 250 I watched his guts come out. Very happy with the rifles performance |
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Posted: 6/11/2012 11:11:59 PM
This just in....
643 yard shot on a p-dog tonight with my 25-223 Bolt gun pushing 100gr SMK's. I saw the hit knock him off the mound and saw him leaking blood but I saw him go down the hole. Not a dead right there hit because Im pretty sure I hit him through the hips. But it might be the longest shot to connect a critter with the 25-223. I need to work up a load with a varmint bullet that will work at longer ranges because those SMK's just zipped through the dogs I was hitting at 150 yards so Im guessing it did the same at longer ranges. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 7:46:50 AM
[Last Edit: 6/12/2012 12:41:32 PM by 320pf]
Hi dk223,
NIce shooting! You have been off the radar lately, good to dear from you. I have shot the following bullets (except the Nosler 85 gn BT). I have been able to push them all to about 2700-2800 fps from a 16" barrel. Sierra 90 gn BlitzKing B.C.'s .388 @ 3100 fps and above .375 between 2900 and 3100 fps .345 between 2400 and 2900 fps .330 @ 2400 fps and below Speer 87 gn TNT, B.C.= 0.31 Nosler 85 gn Ballistic Tip, B.C.= 0.329 I have not shot the 85 gn Noslers but Scatterbrains has been using the 85 gn Nosler BT to terrorize the his local ground hogs to great effect. If you are planning on using your 25-223 for hunting deer and/or antelope, I would use either the Speer SPBT or Sierra 100 gr GameKing. Moreover the 100 gn bullets would have a similar trajectory to the 100 gn Sierra MatchKings that you are using. The Nosler 100 gn BT would also work, but I have not tried them yet. In addition to the Nosler 100 gn BT, the Swift Scriocco II with a B.C. of 0.429 is on my to try list. Sierra 100 gn GameKing B.C.'s .355 @ 2800 fps and above .333 between 2800 and 1600 fps .310 @ 1600 fps and below Speer 100 gn SPBT, B.C.= 0.393 Nosler 100 gn Ballistic Tip B.C.= 0.393 Again, nice shooting! Keep the reports coming in. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 8:57:03 AM
Thanks, I have been 110% at work lately 70-80 hours a week (in 5 days) doesnt leave much time to do any shooting. Our project is coming to an end really quickly and the contractor will be heading to another job by the start of next week. Its looking I like will have most of the summer on 40 hour weeks until August when they are coming back to start the other side of the interestate......which I am pretty ok with, I have never had a break during the summer like this.
As for the 25-223, I would really like to stick with heavier bullets, 90gr +, and I was looking at those 90gr Blitzkings last nice on Midway.....I might order a box of those to give it a try. The 100gr SMKs shoot so well in my rifle I am not going to give up on them for long range target shooting and bench rest but I do need an expanding bullet for hunting and p-dog shooting. 100gr NBTs shoot well in my rifle also but I only have a handful of those bullets left and Nosler is pretty proud of them when compared to what I can get Hornady V-max for. Im going to see what I can get in town, assuming I get out of work before the gunshops close today. I can see 750 -1000 yard p-dog kills with this gun if I can get a bullet to expand enough to kill them at those ranges. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:19:09 AM
Wow that is one long shot at such a small target.
What scope do you have on that rig. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 9:58:22 AM
Vx-iii 6-18
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Posted: 6/12/2012 2:11:44 PM
Dk def look at the 90BK or GK either should be fantastic for the little bastards.
Def try the 85gr BT. if ya want a few i can drop you a envelope with 10 or so and my load recipe for a starting point hell i could drop some 90GK, and 90BK in there to if ya want. i think i have a box of every .257 bullet from 70-90gr in stock LOL 
Im actually about to start some load workup with the 90gr BK and hornady 75gr HP. |
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Posted: 6/12/2012 10:28:47 PM
SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Redding die set up works! Thank God! |
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Posted: 6/13/2012 12:14:16 AM
That is a def no brainer for sure chew no go kill something LOL
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