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Posted: 5/17/2016 10:09:57 PM EDT
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Its catching on.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 12:23:25 AM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out why "quad" rails are now bad and these are now "good". Very few people shoot guns enough to wear them out or break them. If you want to sell more product, you have to come up with the new "must have" product. Not only do most people not shoot their guns enough to break them, most don't even shoot them enough to ever really figure out what setup is really optimal for their individual tastes and needs, so they listen to the advice of experts (many of whom will happily endorse the latest thing for a paycheck). Since using a rifle equipped with a quad rail is now apparently akin to trying to hold onto a lead filled cactus, and is best left to the masochistic, I also think the logical alternative is sections of bolt-on rail attached to a smooth tube. You have a stronger attachment method than either M Lok or Keymod, and you don't needlessly deviate from an industry standard which had been a real point of progress in the black rifle world, in my opinion. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 12:50:24 AM EDT
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Its catching on. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_1775-920x609.jpg  
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Posted: 5/18/2016 8:43:50 AM EDT
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Its catching on. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_1775-920x609.jpg
Its a joke, they were playing around with new ways to cut the ports and lightening cuts, they arent actually usable since the barrel sits too close to the cut outs. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 9:51:09 AM EDT
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Played this game reciently myself and went with the MLOK and that was for mostly looks. The KeyMod looks terrible to me, too much like shelving hardware.
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Posted: 5/18/2016 9:55:48 AM EDT
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Its a joke, they were playing around with new ways to cut the ports and lightening cuts, they arent actually usable since the barrel sits too close to the cut outs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its catching on. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_1775-920x609.jpg
Its a joke, they were playing around with new ways to cut the ports and lightening cuts, they arent actually usable since the barrel sits too close to the cut outs. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 11:03:33 AM EDT
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Very few people shoot guns enough to wear them out or break them. If you want to sell more product, you have to come up with the new "must have" product. Not only do most people not shoot their guns enough to break them, most don't even shoot them enough to ever really figure out what setup is really optimal for their individual tastes and needs, so they listen to the advice of experts (many of whom will happily endorse the latest thing for a paycheck). Since using a rifle equipped with a quad rail is now apparently akin to trying to hold onto a lead filled cactus, and is best left to the masochistic, I also think the logical alternative is sections of bolt-on rail attached to a smooth tube. You have a stronger attachment method than either M Lok or Keymod, and you don't needlessly deviate from an industry standard which had been a real point of progress in the black rifle world, in my opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm still trying to figure out why "quad" rails are now bad and these are now "good". Very few people shoot guns enough to wear them out or break them. If you want to sell more product, you have to come up with the new "must have" product. Not only do most people not shoot their guns enough to break them, most don't even shoot them enough to ever really figure out what setup is really optimal for their individual tastes and needs, so they listen to the advice of experts (many of whom will happily endorse the latest thing for a paycheck). Since using a rifle equipped with a quad rail is now apparently akin to trying to hold onto a lead filled cactus, and is best left to the masochistic, I also think the logical alternative is sections of bolt-on rail attached to a smooth tube. You have a stronger attachment method than either M Lok or Keymod, and you don't needlessly deviate from an industry standard which had been a real point of progress in the black rifle world, in my opinion. 
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Posted: 5/18/2016 12:24:01 PM EDT
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shooters who can't figure out what their personal preference will be
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Posted: 5/18/2016 1:11:26 PM EDT
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I knew that. It was the fact that they went to this extreme to do it so their operator pistol would match their operator rifle is seriously dumb, hence my reactions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its catching on. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_1775-920x609.jpg
Its a joke, they were playing around with new ways to cut the ports and lightening cuts, they arent actually usable since the barrel sits too close to the cut outs. I heard it was so they could sell the male/male keymod adaptor so you can mount your pistol on the extra rail space on your rifle. It saves time over holstering. 
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Posted: 5/18/2016 2:16:19 PM EDT
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Have both, use both, both work. If I were absolutely forced to make a decision, it would probably be keymod:
- They seem to have a lower profile underneath the rail to not interfere with gas block. - I have had a barricade stop mounted via keymod on two rifles and have leaned into those stops with my body weight on many occasions without them coming loose. - Accessories seem easier to attach. It takes me forever to get the Mlok accessories in right - My SLR keymod rail allow each rail keymod hole to be used as a QD sling mount - I like looking at dicks But one Mlok accessory may cause me to change my mind is the Kinetic QD Mlock rail. The ability to quickly move a rail section (and whatever is attached to the rail) from one place to another is huge. I could move my barricade stop from bottom to left to right very quickly depending on the scenario (stage) requirements. I've ordered the rail section but have not gotten it in to test it. If it works as advertised, then I will probably switch my preference to Mlok. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 2:30:17 PM EDT
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I heard it was so they could sell the male/male keymod adaptor so you can mount your pistol on the extra rail space on your rifle. It saves time over holstering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its catching on. http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/IMG_1775-920x609.jpg
Its a joke, they were playing around with new ways to cut the ports and lightening cuts, they arent actually usable since the barrel sits too close to the cut outs. I heard it was so they could sell the male/male keymod adaptor so you can mount your pistol on the extra rail space on your rifle. It saves time over holstering. 
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Posted: 5/18/2016 5:20:41 PM EDT
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I chose m-lok because I moved from MOE grips and already had m-lok. Key mod bothers me from an appearance stand point because of the penis shape. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I chose m-lok because I moved from MOE grips and already had m-lok. Key mod bothers me from an appearance stand point because of the penis shape. Every time I see this mentioned, I can't help but to think the person is just immature. Look at your keys, more than likely they look like a penis too, do you not like using keys for the same reason? Quoted:
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I went with mlok. I think it has greater staying power than keymod due to Magpul's backing. Yep, I know KAC, BCM, and Noveske are keymod, but Magpul's become an industry goliath. Yet their accessories are clunky as hell and they don't make a legit rail of their own. I'm confused, who doesn't actually make a rail of their own? Quoted:
The best solution might be "none of the above". Full cheese grater quad rail is bulky and has slots everywhere that no one will use. Yet, 1913 remains universal, effective and requires no special purchases or risk of trendy obsolescence. KeyMod and MLok are variations on a theme. Ultimately, the ability to put a few accessories only where needed while leaving the remainder of the hand guard slim and smooth is a big improvement over cheese grater. Why not keep the tried and true 1913 but place securely fastened 3" mini 1913 rail strips only where needed, even at 45 degrees? The method of attachment is secondary, as long as they are secure. The accessory remains 1913 compliant, so nothing to buy or replace. Several manufacturers did this before the KeyMod and MLok fads, but gave way to the novelty to meet the artificially created demand for something new. New is always better, right? Humm. One good example was Daniel Defense's Modular Float Rail (MFR). I have one and still think its pure 1913 attachment is the best approach. I expect that people are mostly mounting their 1913 accessories in a similar manner, anyway and not buying very much direct KeyMod or MLok acessories, anyway. That will probably run its course. Both M-Lok and Keymod have the ability to attach a 1913 spec rail section where ever the user desires, the appeal is in eliminating unnecessary "middle-man" attachment for quick direct mount. Take for example a Surefire scout light, it has a 1913 attachment screwed into the body (#1), then you attach it to a 1913 rail (#2) that is in turn attached to the rail (#3). Now take that scout light and attach it to say a BCM offset scout mount (since that is what I use) that light is directly mounted to the mount (#1) and then that mount is attached to the rail (#2). I prefer direct mount parts and will avoid having to attach a 1913 rail section to attach a part as best I can, less room for failure I have nothing against M-Lok, I do not use it simply because I do not like the way all the rails I have looked at attach to the receiver. I much prefer the BCM cross-bolt at the top or the DD quad rail attachment method, and I have not really seen the M-Lok rail from DD available separately or just as an upper (I haven't looked super hard, but I also don't like the DD stock and pistol grip). |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 6:28:03 PM EDT
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@DustinS
I believe he was referring to Magpul not making any of their own (aluminum) handguards. |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 7:15:05 PM EDT
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Every time I see this mentioned, I can't help but to think the person is just immature. Look at your keys, more than likely they look like a penis too, do you not like using keys for the same reason? I'm confused, who doesn't actually make a rail of their own? Both M-Lok and Keymod have the ability to attach a 1913 spec rail section where ever the user desires, the appeal is in eliminating unnecessary "middle-man" attachment for quick direct mount. Take for example a Surefire scout light, it has a 1913 attachment screwed into the body (#1), then you attach it to a 1913 rail (#2) that is in turn attached to the rail (#3). Now take that scout light and attach it to say a BCM offset scout mount (since that is what I use) that light is directly mounted to the mount (#1) and then that mount is attached to the rail (#2). I prefer direct mount parts and will avoid having to attach a 1913 rail section to attach a part as best I can, less room for failure I have nothing against M-Lok, I do not use it simply because I do not like the way all the rails I have looked at attach to the receiver. I much prefer the BCM cross-bolt at the top or the DD quad rail attachment method, and I have not really seen the M-Lok rail from DD available separately or just as an upper (I haven't looked super hard, but I also don't like the DD stock and pistol grip). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I chose m-lok because I moved from MOE grips and already had m-lok. Key mod bothers me from an appearance stand point because of the penis shape. Every time I see this mentioned, I can't help but to think the person is just immature. Look at your keys, more than likely they look like a penis too, do you not like using keys for the same reason? Quoted:
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I went with mlok. I think it has greater staying power than keymod due to Magpul's backing. Yep, I know KAC, BCM, and Noveske are keymod, but Magpul's become an industry goliath. Yet their accessories are clunky as hell and they don't make a legit rail of their own. I'm confused, who doesn't actually make a rail of their own? Quoted:
The best solution might be "none of the above". Full cheese grater quad rail is bulky and has slots everywhere that no one will use. Yet, 1913 remains universal, effective and requires no special purchases or risk of trendy obsolescence. KeyMod and MLok are variations on a theme. Ultimately, the ability to put a few accessories only where needed while leaving the remainder of the hand guard slim and smooth is a big improvement over cheese grater. Why not keep the tried and true 1913 but place securely fastened 3" mini 1913 rail strips only where needed, even at 45 degrees? The method of attachment is secondary, as long as they are secure. The accessory remains 1913 compliant, so nothing to buy or replace. Several manufacturers did this before the KeyMod and MLok fads, but gave way to the novelty to meet the artificially created demand for something new. New is always better, right? Humm. One good example was Daniel Defense's Modular Float Rail (MFR). I have one and still think its pure 1913 attachment is the best approach. I expect that people are mostly mounting their 1913 accessories in a similar manner, anyway and not buying very much direct KeyMod or MLok acessories, anyway. That will probably run its course. Both M-Lok and Keymod have the ability to attach a 1913 spec rail section where ever the user desires, the appeal is in eliminating unnecessary "middle-man" attachment for quick direct mount. Take for example a Surefire scout light, it has a 1913 attachment screwed into the body (#1), then you attach it to a 1913 rail (#2) that is in turn attached to the rail (#3). Now take that scout light and attach it to say a BCM offset scout mount (since that is what I use) that light is directly mounted to the mount (#1) and then that mount is attached to the rail (#2). I prefer direct mount parts and will avoid having to attach a 1913 rail section to attach a part as best I can, less room for failure I have nothing against M-Lok, I do not use it simply because I do not like the way all the rails I have looked at attach to the receiver. I much prefer the BCM cross-bolt at the top or the DD quad rail attachment method, and I have not really seen the M-Lok rail from DD available separately or just as an upper (I haven't looked super hard, but I also don't like the DD stock and pistol grip). I appreciate your response. I see your point if you are starting from scratch. I only run two accessories. One is a Harris bipod with a permanently affixed 1913 adapter. The other is an Insight/EOTech WL1AA weapon light. The light is an all-in-one unit with an integral QD 1913 rail attachment built into the light. It would make no sense for me to switch to KeyMod or M-Lok. I don't use them simultaneously and thus need only one 3" 1913 at the bottom front. It stays in place all the time. |
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Posted: 5/21/2016 1:50:27 PM EDT
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I have both and like both equally. Why limit yourself when you can have both?
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Posted: 5/21/2016 8:20:49 PM EDT
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I like keymod. It feels sturdier. I am a bit of a BCM fanboy so when I have two around equal options, I go with them. I like the new design innovation and the way the pressure is spread equally around the handguard. Check them out if you don't know what I'm talking about.
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Posted: 5/22/2016 12:08:56 PM EDT
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quad rail
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Posted: 5/22/2016 2:50:47 PM EDT
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The real question is who makes the lightest frefloat system?
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Posted: 5/22/2016 3:19:22 PM EDT
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The real question is who makes the lightest frefloat system? The orginal KMRs are light and with a titainum barrel nut they are very light. |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:02:59 PM EDT
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The real question is who makes the lightest frefloat system? The orginal KMRs are light and with a titainum barrel nut they are very light. You'd want to couple that question with a balance of durability |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:51:37 PM EDT
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The real question is who makes the lightest frefloat system? The orginal KMRs are light and with a titainum barrel nut they are very light. You'd want to couple that question with a balance of durability How do you define durability though? Run a truck over it? Simulate bumps against objects you'd see in normal .mil/LE use? |
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Posted: 5/22/2016 9:51:46 PM EDT
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I just upgraded from MOE to Quad Rail. Daniel Defense Omega. I have no idea what ya'll are on about.
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Posted: 5/22/2016 10:14:55 PM EDT
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I just upgraded from MOE to Quad Rail. Daniel Defense Omega. I have no idea what ya'll are on about. 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:40:37 AM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out why "quad" rails are now bad and these are now "good". Roaming the NRA show sunday I made an effort to compare the quad vs. m-loc and keymod when I was at a booth that had all 3. Aero precision was a great comparison, they had the same length rail in all 3. Noticeably ligher so I now get that. Matter of fact, I purchased a magpul hunter for one of my R700's to test it out and I added a couple of m-lock's for bipod mount and qd sling. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:36:05 AM EDT
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How do you define durability though? Run a truck over it? Simulate bumps against objects you'd see in normal .mil/LE use? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The real question is who makes the lightest frefloat system? The orginal KMRs are light and with a titainum barrel nut they are very light. You'd want to couple that question with a balance of durability How do you define durability though? Run a truck over it? Simulate bumps against objects you'd see in normal .mil/LE use? The KMRs have been known to be too malleable in the face of stress. I'd personally go with the Alpha version - more weight at the gain of durability |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:48:13 AM EDT
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As long as Daniel Defense keeps making standard rails, I see no need to switch.
So far I prefer the RIS II to any KeyMod or Mlok handguard. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 6:52:25 AM EDT
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Glitch.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 9:31:30 AM EDT
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As long as Daniel Defense keeps making standard rails, I see no need to switch. So far I prefer the RIS II to any KeyMod or Mlok handguard. I'm a FF RAS guy myself. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:19:01 PM EDT
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The KMRs have been known to be too malleable in the face of stress. I'd personally go with the Alpha version - more weight at the gain of durability Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd want to couple that question with a balance of durability How do you define durability though? Run a truck over it? Simulate bumps against objects you'd see in normal .mil/LE use? The KMRs have been known to be too malleable in the face of stress. I'd personally go with the Alpha version - more weight at the gain of durability And I got that. I was hoping for the KMR-A before they came out. But Either way, how do you define durability? Personally, I do not think BCM will make the KMR again like before. The KMR-A is not that much heavier (2oz if I recall correctly) and cheaper to make. I love my KMR-A, though I'd love to get DD to make that new M-Lok rail available separately and try that on a new (re-build, different configuration) build I'm looking at doing. |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 3:19:56 PM EDT
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The best solution might be "none of the above". Full cheese grater quad rail is bulky and has slots everywhere that no one will use. Yet, 1913 remains universal, effective and requires no special purchases or risk of trendy obsolescence. KeyMod and MLok are variations on a theme. Ultimately, the ability to put a few accessories only where needed while leaving the remainder of the hand guard slim and smooth is a big improvement over cheese grater. Why not keep the tried and true 1913 but place securely fastened 3" mini 1913 rail strips only where needed, even at 45 degrees? The method of attachment is secondary, as long as they are secure. The accessory remains 1913 compliant, so nothing to buy or replace. Several manufacturers did this before the KeyMod and MLok fads, but gave way to the novelty to meet the artificially created demand for something new. New is always better, right? Humm. One good example was Daniel Defense's Modular Float Rail (MFR). I have one and still think its pure 1913 attachment is the best approach. I expect that people are mostly mounting their 1913 accessories in a similar manner, anyway and not buying very much direct KeyMod or MLok acessories, anyway. That will probably run its course. 
Get both.
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:40:04 PM EDT
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And I got that. I was hoping for the KMR-A before they came out. But Either way, how do you define durability? Personally, I do not think BCM will make the KMR again like before. The KMR-A is not that much heavier (2oz if I recall correctly) and cheaper to make. I love my KMR-A, though I'd love to get DD to make that new M-Lok rail available separately and try that on a new (re-build, different configuration) build I'm looking at doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You'd want to couple that question with a balance of durability How do you define durability though? Run a truck over it? Simulate bumps against objects you'd see in normal .mil/LE use? The KMRs have been known to be too malleable in the face of stress. I'd personally go with the Alpha version - more weight at the gain of durability And I got that. I was hoping for the KMR-A before they came out. But Either way, how do you define durability? Personally, I do not think BCM will make the KMR again like before. The KMR-A is not that much heavier (2oz if I recall correctly) and cheaper to make. I love my KMR-A, though I'd love to get DD to make that new M-Lok rail available separately and try that on a new (re-build, different configuration) build I'm looking at doing. I guess I want a google search to be tough to show results if I type in "KMR broken" or the likes. And DD will definitely make the v7 rail as a separate buy...hang in for it |
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