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Posted: 2/13/2016 9:33:54 PM EDT
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At least not with 10-round groups. 
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Ballistics Advantage i think it has been proven in this thread that BA isnt guaranteed in that classification At least not with 10-round groups.
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Posted: 2/15/2016 3:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ballistics Advantage i think it has been proven in this thread that BA isnt guaranteed in that classification At least not with 10-round groups. Imagine that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2016 3:09:00 PM EDT
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It's unfortunate that manufacturers aren't willing to place a more realistic guarantee. Agreed that a 3-shot group means little, but it seems to be what manufacturers are willing to do. To me, I would rather have a 10-shot, 1.5" guarantee than a 3-shot sub-moa guarantee. I do have a BA .300blk barrel inbound currently to replace a KAK barrel that is overgassed. Once I have it mounted, I will do a quick test, and see how it does. I usually do 5 5-shot group, but I am going to do 3 10-shot groups, and I will report how it does. I'm betting it won't be sub MOA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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BA barrel? Is that the company that "guarantees" sub-MOA accuracy/precision for all their barrels? ... At least they actually define what criteria their guarantee is valid for. According to their pathetic criteria, Wolf Performance Ammunition is sub-half-MOA amunition . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/ffgz1btdpv.jpg .... It's unfortunate that manufacturers aren't willing to place a more realistic guarantee. Agreed that a 3-shot group means little, but it seems to be what manufacturers are willing to do. To me, I would rather have a 10-shot, 1.5" guarantee than a 3-shot sub-moa guarantee. I do have a BA .300blk barrel inbound currently to replace a KAK barrel that is overgassed. Once I have it mounted, I will do a quick test, and see how it does. I usually do 5 5-shot group, but I am going to do 3 10-shot groups, and I will report how it does. I'm betting it won't be sub MOA. You will not be disappointed in that barrel. It is truly a "lights out" barrel. |
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Posted: 2/15/2016 3:09:45 PM EDT
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what is the going rate for a sub moa 556/223 barrel ? just browsing around you can find barrels pushing 500$ now, just wandering is there any more accuracy in those compared to a 2-300$ barrel just go to micromoa.com and find out.. |
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Posted: 2/15/2016 3:09:57 PM EDT
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You will not be disappointed in that barrel. It is truly a "lights out" barrel. Please define the technical qualifications for "lights out". |
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Posted: 2/15/2016 3:33:12 PM EDT
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BA barrel? Is that the company that "guarantees" sub-MOA accuracy/precision for all their barrels? At least they actually define what criteria their guarantee is valid for. According to their pathetic criteria, Wolf Performance Ammunition is sub-half-MOA amunition . . . http://www.box.net/shared/static/ffgz1btdpv.jpg .... It's unfortunate that manufacturers aren't willing to place a more realistic guarantee. Agreed that a 3-shot group means little, but it seems to be what manufacturers are willing to do. To me, I would rather have a 10-shot, 1.5" guarantee than a 3-shot sub-moa guarantee. I do have a BA .300blk barrel inbound currently to replace a KAK barrel that is overgassed. Once I have it mounted, I will do a quick test, and see how it does. I usually do 5 5-shot group, but I am going to do 3 10-shot groups, and I will report how it does. I'm betting it won't be sub MOA. You will not be disappointed in that barrel. It is truly a "lights out" barrel. I already posted a link in this thread to the thread where itgoesboom posted the results of his accuracy testing with that barrel. His 10-shot groups fired from a distance of 100 yards had an average extreme spread of 2.078". .. |
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Posted: 2/15/2016 5:40:57 PM EDT
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Molon, do yo plan to test the STFN barrel? I can send you mine if needed. |
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Posted: 2/15/2016 5:53:26 PM EDT
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You will not be disappointed in that barrel. It is truly a "lights out" barrel. Please define the technical qualifications for "lights out". "Light's out" is a hip term for it will be very accurate. (Think, "Lights out. Game over, man.") My 8" BA Hanson barrel is very accurate with my loads. So much so, it gets quite boring. 6 shots at 50 yards with PA red dot. Why only 50 yards? Load development / sight in. 
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Posted: 2/15/2016 7:17:44 PM EDT
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Molon, do yo plan to test the STFN barrel? I can send you mine if needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Molon, do yo plan to test the STFN barrel? I can send you mine if needed. Thanks for your very generous offer, but The List is overflowing at this point in time. ... |
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Posted: 2/16/2016 12:26:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Light's out" is a hip term for it will be very accurate. (Think, "Lights out. Game over, man.") My 8" BA Hanson barrel is very accurate with my loads. So much so, it gets quite boring. 6 shots at 50 yards with PA red dot. Why only 50 yards? Load development / sight in. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/Richard_Pesce/Mobile%20Uploads/9B7DE917-1250-41E0-B05E-5393691DA92E_zpsi8knai81.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You will not be disappointed in that barrel. It is truly a "lights out" barrel. Please define the technical qualifications for "lights out". "Light's out" is a hip term for it will be very accurate. (Think, "Lights out. Game over, man.") My 8" BA Hanson barrel is very accurate with my loads. So much so, it gets quite boring. 6 shots at 50 yards with PA red dot. Why only 50 yards? Load development / sight in. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk161/Richard_Pesce/Mobile%20Uploads/9B7DE917-1250-41E0-B05E-5393691DA92E_zpsi8knai81.jpg Not bad. Looks a little under 1" @ 50 for 6 shots. Interested in what your load might be. The thing is, when it comes to accuracy (precision, really) it's all how you define it. Are we talking best case scenario, tuned ammo? 3-shots, 5-shots, 10-shots? Include flyers, or exclude them. There are a lot of variables, and it's tough to exclude them. Everyone has a different definition of what is "accurate" The thing Molon has been trying to do is really establish how precise a particular barrel is. He is putting data out there for you to decide if a particular barrel meets your needs when you consider usage, cost, weight, etc. Same thing I tried to do with my test. The best thing about Molon's tests is that they are consistent in how he tests. You can compare his data from today to a test he did 1 year ago. We should all strive for that. If we all kept our data consistent when it comes to how we define precision, we would have much more realistic expectations. I really want every barrel I purchase to be sub-MOA. Doesn't mean I expect it will be.  If you expect a BA barrel to be <MOA for 3-shots, I don't think you will be disappointed.  image by Photographer Pilot, on FlickrIf you expect the barrel I tested to be sub-MOA for 10-shots, with the factory ammo I tested it, than you will likely be disappointed.  image by Photographer Pilot, on FlickrBy the way, that is another 10-shot group that wasn't in my first test. I went out a second day, after cleaning the copper of the barrel. Same rules as before. 10-shots, didn't ignore any flyers. Results were similar as before. Doesn't mean it's a bad barrel. This particular barrel seems to be around 1.7"-2.0" average for 10-shots. That's with 110gr Vmax factory loads. I am sure there are more accurate loads out there, but the 110gr Vmax and 110gr BlackTips are the ones with good terminal ballistics, and are readily available, so they are what I am interested in. For it's purpose, it's plenty accurate, for me. Another shooter might have a different viewpoint. If the results above were for a match grade, SPR type rifle, with tuned hand loads, those results would be disappointing. Going back to the <1", 50-yard 6-shot group posted with a red dot. That's not bad shooting at all. So you could expect ~2" groups @ 100 yards with the same setup. With an Aimpoint, I am getting about 2.5" for 5-shots @ 100 yards with the 110gr Vmax. So we are in the same realm really, or not too far off. For me, expectations wise, when it comes to the BA Barrel, I'm still on the fence. It meets their guarantee. It just doesn't mean much in the long run. I'm sure I can find a load that is more accurate, if I was interested in finding it. I'm not. So I can't fault it for that. I wish it was a bit more precise with the loads I have selected, but it meets it's needs. There are other things that are nice about the barrel. It's soft shooting, since the gas port is on the smaller side. The finish is nice, and it's not fouling much at all. After the first 88 rounds (60 rounds Vmax, 28 rounds blacktips), I cleaned out the copper withs Sweet's 7.62. Had almost no copper fouling. And the internal finish seems to be smoothing out. The profile is also very nice, and I appreciate the pinned gas block. So it's actually a nice barrel and a good price. I can actually see this carbine as one of my current favorites, and the barrel will not be going away. At the same time, my next build is going to be a precision-centric build. Either 16" or 18". I want sub-MOA for 10-shots at 100 yards with good ammo. I expect it to be 1.25" or better for 10-shots. With that in mind, and with what I am seeing with the barrel I tested, I'm not sure that I am going to take a chance on a BA barrel. IF the above barrel shot better, say consistent 1.25"-1.5" for 10-rounds, it would be an easier decision. I don't have the funds to purchase and test 5 barrels to find the one that meets my expectations. Sometimes it's just cheaper to buy a known quantity, $400+ barrel, than to pay for a unknown barrel at $200, and then end up paying for the more expensive option anyways when the budget barrel doesn't perform. That's where my current dilemma is. I hope that a $250 BA or Faxon (and I am impressed with Faxon regarding their communications) barrel can meet my expectations and wants. So I am tempted at times. But it might just be cheaper to buy a Rainier Ultra Match, or V7 or Noveske, or a Lothar Walther, or a Larue, etc. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:11:04 AM EDT
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i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS  are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.
I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 2:55:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX A satisfaction guarantee is more valuable in my mind than a limited accuracy guarantee. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:00:49 PM EDT
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I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.
I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.
I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX wow thats great. post pics of your build and targets when you get to it |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 12:54:35 PM EDT
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Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.
I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX wow thats great. post pics of your build and targets when you get to it No problem, I'm kind of swamped with work and other builds right now. I don't think I'll get to the range to test everything out until April or so, but I'll have the build done well before that. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 3:01:38 PM EDT
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No problem, I'm kind of swamped with work and other builds right now. I don't think I'll get to the range to test everything out until April or so, but I'll have the build done well before that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.
I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX wow thats great. post pics of your build and targets when you get to it No problem, I'm kind of swamped with work and other builds right now. I don't think I'll get to the range to test everything out until April or so, but I'll have the build done well before that. you dont have to explain anything to me about no time. i loaded 30 rounds to test for a bolt rifle before Christmas that ive yet to try 
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Posted: 2/27/2016 2:14:29 AM EDT
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Well, this is my first post on this site. You guys have truly entertained me for the past hour or so reading through the entirety of this thread (while watching Vikings :) ) But my question is, who made these barrels? I like the aesthetics of the middle one. I am trying to build a sub moa 556. Only thing I lack is the barrel, upper receiver, and BCG. I was thinking Spikes upper to blend well with my lower (which has a spikes lower kit minus trigger, with a RRA two stage trigger, hogue ghilli green kit) . I got a BCM Alpha rail. and waiting on my custom leupold to come in. I opted for the AR mod 1 3-9x40mm. I am currently torn on my BCG and barrel. I know that some will giggle/chuckle at my build but I am relatively new to building a complete AR (especially a SPR). Any who, what are yalls impressions on what I have and then advice on what to get? Go easy on me bahaha.
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Posted: 2/27/2016 3:59:58 AM EDT
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Well, this is my first post on this site. You guys have truly entertained me for the past hour or so reading through the entirety of this thread (while watching Vikings :) ) But my question is, who made these barrels? I like the aesthetics of the middle one. I am trying to build a sub moa 556. Only thing I lack is the barrel, upper receiver, and BCG. I was thinking Spikes upper to blend well with my lower (which has a spikes lower kit minus trigger, with a RRA two stage trigger, hogue ghilli green kit) . I got a BCM Alpha rail. and waiting on my custom leupold to come in. I opted for the AR mod 1 3-9x40mm. I am currently torn on my BCG and barrel. I know that some will giggle/chuckle at my build but I am relatively new to building a complete AR (especially a SPR). Any who, what are yalls impressions on what I have and then advice on what to get? Go easy on me bahaha. What barrels are you referring to? |
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Posted: 2/27/2016 11:14:26 AM EDT
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NorthTech Defense, with the black finish and polished chrome flute. But I am really looking for a good quality barrel that will last and give me sub moa.
I figured out who made them. Just had to look a little harder.
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Posted: 2/27/2016 11:57:38 AM EDT
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NorthTech Defense, with the black finish and polished chrome flute. But I am really looking for a good quality barrel that will last and give me sub moa.
I figured out who made them. Just had to look a little harder. I have one in for testing, but I won't get around to it until next month. They gave me a year to test it, so as of now I can't speak of how good it is, but the barrel finish is outstanding. |
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Posted: 2/28/2016 3:00:43 AM EDT
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Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility I ended up getting this barrel, I asked a lot of questions and Dustin was very helpful. I admit the looks of this barrel along with the sub moa guarantee is what sold me. I know how you MOA GURUS are about sub moa guarantees so here was their response when I asked about it.
I personally will stand behind it 100%. If for any reason you are unhappy, we will replace-refund you. Period. Out of hundreds, and thousands we have only replaced a few, and helped a handful of people tune their guns, to 1/2 MOA or better. No problem on a year plus of you testing it. Thanks again, if you have any questions please let me know, Dustin XXXXXX A satisfaction guarantee is more valuable in my mind than a limited accuracy guarantee. Couldn't agree more. |
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Posted: 2/29/2016 12:33:49 AM EDT
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Well let me know what you think when you do test it. I was looking for 556/223 barrels because I would like to use 556 black hills (if I can find it ha
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Posted: 2/29/2016 1:26:15 AM EDT
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Well let me know what you think when you do test it. I was looking for 556/223 barrels because I would like to use 556 black hills (if I can find it ha ).I'll keep this thread updated with results, I'll tell you now (it won't be as good as a Molon review), but I'll try my best. |
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Posted: 2/29/2016 6:50:10 PM EDT
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Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. For sure is a dangerous idea. That beast doesn't exist. |
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Posted: 2/29/2016 6:56:54 PM EDT
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i have a 10.5 Rainier ultra match in a shorty set up. its in a pistol configuration now until i can get a form 1 through when these new laws take effect. using a primary arms micro i was able to get some decent grouping with it using AE 55 gr . this was only at 50 yards, but scoped with bipod and a rear bag, and a stock LOL, i know i could tighten this right up https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12439527_915254628571474_5693546905751431286_n.jpg?oh=6f578ea6422ae73a96ed98d6700701c4&oe=5739E3C2 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well back to our regularly scheduled program, I love the way this barrel looks (NorthTech Defense Fluted Ultra Precision .223) but haven't seen many reviews on it. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps6qp0qurz.jpeg</a> Can someone point me in the direction of something like this, but that is a for sure shooter. i also was interested in one of these, fluted for under 400 doesn't seem like a bad set up. i may be completely wrong but i have a hunch rainier arms and northtech are linked in their barrels. maybe both being manufactured in the same facility Well if they are, I'll buy one. i have a 10.5 Rainier ultra match in a shorty set up. its in a pistol configuration now until i can get a form 1 through when these new laws take effect. using a primary arms micro i was able to get some decent grouping with it using AE 55 gr . this was only at 50 yards, but scoped with bipod and a rear bag, and a stock LOL, i know i could tighten this right up https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12439527_915254628571474_5693546905751431286_n.jpg?oh=6f578ea6422ae73a96ed98d6700701c4&oe=5739E3C2 Can you do that again at 100 yards and post your results? If it's not too much to ask. I'd also like more information on that barrel, if you're willing to share. |
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Posted: 2/29/2016 7:05:19 PM EDT
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I am pretty sure Rainier gets their ultra match barrels from Black Hole Weaponry. I'm fairly certain BHW makes their select series....match/ultra match are sourced elsewhere. Where did you get that information from? Even on Rainier's site they state where the UltraMatch barrels are sourced by: Stainless Steel Match Grade Shilen Blank Now, just because it is a Shilen blank - doesn't mean Shilen did the final profile and chamber work....... This is why you have to be VERY careful who you listen to around here. correct, they dont state shilen does any worth to the barrels. i do wish some of these companys would just come out and say who makes the barrels. But they don't so they can continue to mark up their prices. |
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Posted: 2/29/2016 7:10:23 PM EDT
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Wow, that's poorer than I expected. not amazing for sure. Although it is a pencil barrel. Don't discount a barrel simply because of it's profile. You might have to shoot slower to keep temps down, but a good barrel/ ammo match can perform surprisingly well. |
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Posted: 3/1/2016 2:40:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2016 12:38:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:01:55 PM EDT
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Now on The List . . . https://app.box.com/shared/static/0duvrqx9s2drx7l5g0u0vl22l1y9u3in.jpg ... So your liking this BA barrel huh? What length, profile did you go with for testing MOLON? |
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Posted: 3/5/2016 4:11:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2016 10:30:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't discount a barrel simply because of it's profile. You might have to shoot slower to keep temps down, but a good barrel/ ammo match can perform surprisingly well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow, that's poorer than I expected. not amazing for sure. Although it is a pencil barrel. Don't discount a barrel simply because of it's profile. You might have to shoot slower to keep temps down, but a good barrel/ ammo match can perform surprisingly well.  14.5"LWT AE Varmint by Photographer Pilot, on FlickrNot Sub-MOA, but as mentioned earlier, any barrel that can do <1.5" for 10 rounds is pretty solid. That's 1.424" center-to-center @ 100 yards, prone off a bipod. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 12:37:34 AM EDT
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Exactly. Lightweight barrels can shoot pretty damn well. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/DXHpCg" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1667/24915686763_a2c81a0ce1_c.jpg</a>14.5"LWT AE Varmint by Photographer Pilot, on Flickr Not Sub-MOA, but as mentioned earlier, any barrel that can do <1.5" for 10 rounds is pretty solid. That's 1.424" center-to-center @ 100 yards, prone off a bipod. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/6/2016 12:52:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Light-weight barrels produce a greater variation in extreme spreads from group to group than barrels with heavier profiles do. It's therefore wise to fire multiple 10-shot groups in a row when evaluating the accuracy/precision of a light-weight barrel. In my Accuracy Evaluation of a Colt Light-Weight Barrel, the barrel produced a sub-MOA 10-shot group. It also produced a group with an extreme spread of 2.53". The overall average of six 10-shot groups fired in a row was 1.69". ... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wow, that's poorer than I expected. not amazing for sure. Although it is a pencil barrel. Don't discount a barrel simply because of it's profile. You might have to shoot slower to keep temps down, but a good barrel/ ammo match can perform surprisingly well. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/DXHpCg" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1667/24915686763_a2c81a0ce1_c.jpg</a>14.5"LWT AE Varmint by Photographer Pilot, on Flickr Not Sub-MOA, but as mentioned earlier, any barrel that can do <1.5" for 10 rounds is pretty solid. That's 1.424" center-to-center @ 100 yards, prone off a bipod. Light-weight barrels produce a greater variation in extreme spreads from group to group than barrels with heavier profiles do. It's therefore wise to fire multiple 10-shot groups in a row when evaluating the accuracy/precision of a light-weight barrel. In my Accuracy Evaluation of a Colt Light-Weight Barrel, the barrel produced a sub-MOA 10-shot group. It also produced a group with an extreme spread of 2.53". The overall average of six 10-shot groups fired in a row was 1.69". ... No doubt. This was group #2 of 3, but it was not an end all of the test (hence me not naming the manufacturer yet). This was just to help get a baseline prior to the more formal test, which starts this next week. I was trying to decide on what ammo I should test, and whether or not it was worth testing in the first place. This is going to be 2 lightweight barrels, 1 from Daniel Defense, 1 from BCM. Test is going to be over 3 range trips, and include M193, American Eagle 50gr varmint, and a hand load of 77gr Noslers over H322. Each barrel will get three 10-shot groups from each ammo (which is why it's gotta be spread over a few range trips). Planning to start the shoot this week with the M193 ammo. |
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Posted: 3/6/2016 12:57:52 AM EDT
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I look forward to seeing your results.
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Posted: 3/6/2016 5:07:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/7/2016 2:23:43 AM EDT
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Faxon 18" rifle length for $180 has been sub-MOA for me :)
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Posted: 3/7/2016 10:33:39 AM EDT
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Faxon 18" rifle length for $180 has been sub-MOA for me :) My Faxon 16" 308 4150 is subMOA as well, with PPU Match. What steel and profile is your 18? I ask because I'm about to buy a 14.5 4150 Gunner profile (not the pencil, but close). |
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Posted: 4/4/2016 9:08:34 PM EDT
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No doubt. This was group #2 of 3, but it was not an end all of the test (hence me not naming the manufacturer yet). This was just to help get a baseline prior to the more formal test, which starts this next week. I was trying to decide on what ammo I should test, and whether or not it was worth testing in the first place. This is going to be 2 lightweight barrels, 1 from Daniel Defense, 1 from BCM. Test is going to be over 3 range trips, and include M193, American Eagle 50gr varmint, and a hand load of 77gr Noslers over H322. Each barrel will get three 10-shot groups from each ammo (which is why it's gotta be spread over a few range trips). Planning to start the shoot this week with the M193 ammo. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/692233_Accuracy_Review__BCM_vs_Daniel_Defense__Battle_of_the_Lightweights___Updated__fixed_measurement_.html .... |
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Posted: 4/5/2016 8:08:25 AM EDT
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Faxon 18" rifle length for $180 has been sub-MOA for me :) As we would expect.
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:40:21 AM EDT
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Well I finally had time to finish the build, now I need time to shoot it. His break in seems like it will be a tedious ordeal. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpskhydp56s.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpskhydp56s.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsotfvwsf4.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsotfvwsf4.jpeg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No problem, I'm kind of swamped with work and other builds right now. I don't think I'll get to the range to test everything out until April or so, but I'll have the build done well before that. you dont have to explain anything to me about no time. i loaded 30 rounds to test for a bolt rifle before Christmas that ive yet to try Well I finally had time to finish the build, now I need time to shoot it. His break in seems like it will be a tedious ordeal. <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpskhydp56s.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpskhydp56s.jpeg</a> <a href="http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/TATBME/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsotfvwsf4.jpeg.html" target="_blank">http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/TATBME/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsotfvwsf4.jpeg</a> you got super precision! sweet looking set up. how did she shoot? |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 11:45:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2016 12:21:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2016 2:41:13 PM EDT
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Anderson Arms barrels shoot very well. Under 100 bucks -even the 308 barrels. Not lined, though.
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Posted: 4/24/2016 8:01:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:12:48 AM EDT
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