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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:09:00 PM
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THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT
Anyone have any personal experience with one of THESE?

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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:12:15 PM
Looks stupid. I love folding stocks, but not POS ones that say in bold "Not meant to be fired when folded..." That right there is stupid. Yes you can fold it up a little smaller to fit in a smaller gun case, but if you can't shoot it folded (from a vehicle, etc) then why waste the money? You can buy a SCAR-16, or a Sig 551 and have the best of both worlds.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:15:24 PM
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:27:02 PM
I'm a generally picky bastard, but I think it is a good idea. Who the hell walks around firing a rifle folded like some kind of skinny? Not me. Who gives a shit if it can fire folded? Not me. Can this stock make it look less like I am carrying rifle by being able to fit the rifle in a smaller case? Yes. It looks like it will make my 14.5" fit in the case that I keep the 10.5" in, which is good, or maybe I can fit 2 10.5"s in one case now (there's an idea). Now, how durable is the adapter and will it effect reliability? Those are the questions that need answering here.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:33:34 PM
Originally Posted By kylestyle:
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package

modular? I'm confused.


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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:45:01 PM
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Originally Posted By kylestyle:
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package


Huh? An SBR is where something like this belongs.

And why the hell would you want to fire it folded? Do you live in South Central?

Anyway, I'd like feedback from an actual user as to the build quality of this?
Is it a cast pos that could snap and send a BCG through my chest?
Is it a solid lockup with no looseness/flex when deployed?
Does the weird additional length and carrier extension cause malfs, or induce finicky cycling?
How tight does it tuck up against the upper rec?

I wouldn't mind one of my DI SBRs folding up into an even tinier package.
Problem is this thing would have to really be built well to go on one of my guns, and at only $180, it's probably crap.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 8:54:59 PM
I think what he meant was there are plenty of SBRs that have factory side folding stocks such as the Sig 556, Sig 551, SCAR 16S, Robinson Arms, and others. You can get them in small barrel configurations that would be for PSD or car based shooting.

Regarding your statement of why would you want to shoot a gun with the stock folded? Ever try to shoot from a vehicle? It is almost impossible with the stock hanging out the rear of the rifle. It puts the gun out too far and limits your mobility.

The video on their website is retarded. Nobody would walk around with their stock folded when it disables your rifles ability to shoot. They were flipping it out to engage the target, then folding it back. That would never be the case unless you were in very tight spaces and needed all the room you could to climb a ladder in a narrow area, or something like that. Using a sling, you can shoot with the stock folded almost as accurately as a rifle with a stock. Just look at all the AR pistols that people use with no issues. I never said firing form the hip, but shooting with the stock folded gives you much more room when you really need it in tight spaces.

Nobody will spend $180 to have a stock fold up for storage. At least no law enforcement or military I know.

Originally Posted By Brahmzy:
Originally Posted By kylestyle:
$180 for that, or you could pay $200 for a stamp to own an SBR that can actually be shot in a modular package


Huh? An SBR is where something like this belongs.

And why the hell would you want to fire it folded? Do you live in South Central?

Anyway, I'd like feedback from an actual user as to the build quality of this?
Is it a cast pos that could snap and send a BCG through my chest?
Is it a solid lockup with no looseness/flex when deployed?
Does the weird additional length and carrier extension cause malfs, or induce finicky cycling?
How tight does it tuck up against the upper rec?

I wouldn't mind one of my DI SBRs folding up into an even tinier package.
Problem is this thing would have to really be built well to go on one of my guns, and at only $180, it's probably crap.


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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:04:47 PM
not sure why I said modular - meant to say compact

Where exactly did I say I wanted to shoot it folded? Anyways are you trying to tell me the ability to fire folded doesn't provide any sort of benefit? As for stowing or carrying it in a case, why not take a second to separate your upper and lower instead of paying $180 to shave give or take 8" off the length?

I'm not trying to play commando here but let's say you're using this thing as shown (a practical application) in the video - carrying it in a patrol like fashion folded. You've now relinquished the ability to fire at an immediate threat without flipping that stock and shouldering the weapon.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 9:19:39 PM
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Originally Posted By kylestyle:
not sure why I said modular - meant to say compact

Where exactly did I say I wanted to shoot it folded? Anyways are you trying to tell me the ability to fire folded doesn't provide any sort of benefit? As for stowing or carrying it in a case, why not take a second to separate your upper and lower instead of paying $180 to shave give or take 8" off the length?

I'm not trying to play commando here but let's say you're using this thing as shown (a practical application) in the video - carrying it in a patrol like fashion folded. You've now relinquished the ability to fire at an immediate threat without flipping that stock and shouldering the weapon.


Agreed - the video wreaks of gheyness and stupidity. And yes, there could be benefits to fire a folded rifle. Although I've never encountered a time where I couldn't shoulder my 10.5 adequately.

Simple storage is what interested me here. Backpack, duffle etc.
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Posted: 4/30/2012 10:32:47 PM
it appears to have a bolt carrier extension (look at the directions), i think this would interfere with disassembling the upper and lower.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 7:19:44 AM
I got a chance to fondle one of these at a gun show. It seemed robust. The mechanism was clever. If I had the extra dough I would have bought one. Why? I don't know, it just looked different.
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Posted: 5/1/2012 10:39:10 AM
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I would have to look at one in person, but if it cant fire when folded its stupid.

I'll stick with my Mk16
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Posted: 5/3/2012 9:31:58 AM
I dont understand the need to fire a rifle with the stock folded like some inbred third worlder.

You say its better to fire from your vehicle, but wouldnt it still be a better idea to shoot the rifle with the stock open to get a cheak weld? I mean who sits there and actually holds a 5.56 rifle like a Uzi and fired from their vehicles? Raise your hands?

As far as a military role, wouldnt it be better to leave your windows up for protection, never heard of anyone shooting through their windows to engage a target in the real world
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:54:38 PM
I'll be reviewing one for Military Times, I'll let you know my thoughts when it arrives and I spend some time with one.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 1:46:38 PM
Nice. Waiting for review.

Its $179!!!

And it adds 1.3 inches to stock length...which I might like.
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Originally Posted By ak4784:
Nice. Waiting for review.

Its $179!!!

And it adds 1.3 inches to stock length...which I might like.


Well my usual shooting position when not on a bench is 2 clicks out on carbines. Could just throw an entry-length ACE skeleton stock on there...

But before too much longer, I'll have a folding AR or two that WILL fire when folded
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Im not interested in shooting with a folded stock, but I am interested in making my SBR even smaller for storage. I currently disassemble the rifle to keep it stored discreetly and this stock adapter would get the rifle into action more quickly. If this is made well and doesn't affect reliability, I'm in.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 6:23:50 PM
Originally Posted By TitusAndronicus:
Im not interested in shooting with a folded stock, but I am interested in making my SBR even smaller for storage. I currently disassemble the rifle to keep it stored discreetly and this stock adapter would get the rifle into action more quickly. If this is made well and doesn't affect reliability, I'm in.


That is my thoughts towards it as well. I have no interest in shooting a folding stock AR with the stock in, but to pack it up smaller or to carry in it a vehicle, I like that idea.

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Posted: 5/4/2012 7:10:35 PM
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Here’s my experience with a folding stock AR…

I bought (and just sold) an RRA LAR-PDS. Read all about my adventures with RRA here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_126/566818_Rock_River_Arms_Piston_Driven_System.html.

I will NEVER buy another RRA product for as long as I live. That being said, the folding stock does have its advantages such as storage. When folded, you can carry it in a reasonable sized duffel bag that doesn’t scream “steal me!”.

I was going to shorten the barrel and install this stock:

http://shop.nordiccomp.com/NC-Compact-Retractable-Butt-Stock-STK-CRS-BRS.htm

It will fit an AR that doesn’t need a buffer tube and WILL fire folded. That is pretty much only 3 AR’s ever made (unless it’s a .22).

The short barrel, combined with an HK-style stock would have been a great CQB AR.

I was going to add a vertical grip to the left rail and a laser somewhere up front. I had visions in my head of a “chainsaw” type rifle.

What I didn’t think of, however, are some of the less-obvious problems. The battery release is impossible to reach with the left hand. You will need a BAD lever. Same with the safety. You can’t have an ambi-mag release. Basically, you need to move everything from the left to the right..

Plus, you look like an a-hole shooting it with the stock folded. About the only person that could pull it off and look cool would be Chuck Norris. And I, sir, am no Chuck Norris…

All this being said, I will NEVER buy another Rock River arms product and I encourage you all to think long and hard before you do! They have not lived up to their promises and are unreliable. I am just happy I realized how bad they are before I ever needed them. If you ever end up with their products, pray that you never need their help…

I have the stock on gunbroker for $100 with free shipping. If someone wants it, please PM me.
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My law stock was shipped today. I plan on primarly running it on a 11.5" 5.56 upper with a lower using an ACE ultralite entry stock. Will also throw on suppressed 9mm sbr upper from time to time. Also have a 8" .45 acp upper too; which I willing to bet with the stock folded I can stick it in my backpack. Pics when stock arrives.
My real concern with be the bolt carrier extension. Not sure of the weight but I can assume it will affect the gas system on something as finicky as my .45acp DI upper. Don't really think it will make a difference on my 5.56 upper using brass ammo(not sure on the weak Tula ammo though) or the blow back 9mm upper.
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Posted: 5/5/2012 10:53:47 AM
Originally Posted By Stickman:
Originally Posted By TitusAndronicus:
Im not interested in shooting with a folded stock, but I am interested in making my SBR even smaller for storage. I currently disassemble the rifle to keep it stored discreetly and this stock adapter would get the rifle into action more quickly. If this is made well and doesn't affect reliability, I'm in.


That is my thoughts towards it as well. I have no interest in shooting a folding stock AR with the stock in, but to pack it up smaller or to carry in it a vehicle, I like that idea.


+1
Looking forward to that review. I assume you will be working your photography mojo as well I am very interested in what the total package length would be on a 10.5" with an A2 and this adapter.

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Posted: 5/5/2012 2:10:24 PM
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:

+1
Looking forward to that review. I assume you will be working your photography mojo as well I am very interested in what the total package length would be on a 10.5" with an A2 and this adapter.




I've got no doubt there will be lots of pictures. If it gets here soon enough, I'll include it with the 5,000 round 10 upper 300BLK review that is upcoming as well....

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Posted: 5/6/2012 12:04:14 PM
Originally Posted By kenndogg:
My law stock was shipped today. I plan on primarly running it on a 11.5" 5.56 upper with a lower using an ACE ultralite entry stock. Will also throw on suppressed 9mm sbr upper from time to time. Also have a 8" .45 acp upper too; which I willing to bet with the stock folded I can stick it in my backpack. Pics when stock arrives.
My real concern with be the bolt carrier extension. Not sure of the weight but I can assume it will affect the gas system on something as finicky as my .45acp DI upper. Don't really think it will make a difference on my 5.56 upper using brass ammo(not sure on the weak Tula ammo though) or the blow back 9mm upper.


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I'm very interested as well. I like the idea of being able to cram it into a much smaller backpack, and still be quickly deployable. I live in a state which does not let me have SBR's, so anything to shrink the rifle is appealing to me. I've thought about the XCR and other options, but I really just enjoy the AR platform too much to leave it.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 5:13:14 PM
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As homotroid as their video appears, I'm mildly interested in this for my SPR

Pros;

1. compact storage
2. Add 1.3" to A2 stock for my 14.5" LOP
3. Easier cleaning of barrel
4. Additional buffer mass for those heavy 77g SPR loads




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