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Posted: 10/29/2004 8:47:35 AM EST
What's the difference?

Any preference?
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Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:52:06 AM EST
Crush. Easier and faster. If I was building an A1 or SP1 clone I'd use a peel just because thats what was used at that time.
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Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:01:08 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/29/2004 2:52:33 PM EST
Sorry.

I don't know what came over me. I'm usually not such a BB noob.
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Link Posted: 10/29/2004 3:14:26 PM EST
No problemo! So, to answer your question..... I like crush.
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Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:32:18 PM EST
I had my first run-in with a crush washer last night when installing a new 16" Superlight. No way I could get the damn thing to start crushing with any reasonable amount of force, so I used a peel.

Better the devil you know.
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Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:12:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By heavyduty:
I had my first run-in with a crush washer last night when installing a new 16" Superlight. No way I could get the damn thing to start crushing with any reasonable amount of force, so I used a peel.

Better the devil you know.



You couldn't get it to time within 15-20lbs as described in the USMC TM?

It doesn't crush much at all by the way.
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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 2:48:16 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 4:58:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By PaulE:
There are some crush washers out there that do not crush. If you get to 20 ft lbs and there is no give it's time to get rid of that one.



I think I have one of these...
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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:09:53 AM EST
Pop it out, put it on a flat surface, and hammer it a bit until it starts to deform. Sometimes it takes a lot of force to start deforming them, then they start crushing normally.
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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 5:31:36 AM EST
It may sound trivial, but I like the finished look of the peel washer better. It worked well for years but does take some "fiddle" to get right.
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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:26:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By gotm4:
Crush. Easier and faster. If I was building an A1 or SP1 clone I'd use a peel just because thats what was used at that time.




'A1s used a split lock washer.

The peel washer was used for the 'A2 and subsequent rifles.
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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 12:40:43 PM EST
I went to the crush washer on all my new projects that need an A2 flash suppresser. The Vortex doesn't need a washer at all.

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Link Posted: 10/30/2004 8:38:26 PM EST
I had one that wouldn't crush at all, even in a vice with far more pressure than could have been necessary.

I filed it down with a set of files and smoothed the filed surface, shot some paint on it to cover the bare area and it indexed just fine. Hit and miss but worked out in the end.
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Link Posted: 11/1/2004 5:48:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Pop it out, put it on a flat surface, and hammer it a bit until it starts to deform. Sometimes it takes a lot of force to start deforming them, then they start crushing normally.



thanks for the tip...I couldn't get one to go recently and had to use a peel
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Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:48:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 12:50:15 PM EST by GHPorter]

AGC Said:
'A1s used a split lock washer.

The peel washer was used for the 'A2 and subsequent rifles.
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In case it wasn't obvious, the crush/peel washer was introduced so that you could align the solid bottom of the A2 flash hider correctly.

With the A1 and earlier FH, it didn't matter what ended up on the bottom or top, but the A2 FH is made so that you "kick up less dust" when you fire, but it probably also provides a little (VERY little) downward thrust through directing the flash upward and outward.
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Link Posted: 11/2/2004 10:53:52 PM EST
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Link Posted: 11/10/2004 12:13:02 PM EST
Here's a real n00b question for y'all. Where the heck do I find a crush washer? My gun store here doesn't have one unless I buy it with a flash hider, which I already have (a 4 slot Phantom). Is it possible to buy something like this at a hardware store like Menards or True Value?
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Link Posted: 11/10/2004 12:57:00 PM EST
If your phantom doesnt have the solid A2 llike bottom. you proably can use a reg split washer.


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Link Posted: 11/10/2004 12:57:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By loonybin:
Here's a real n00b question for y'all. Where the heck do I find a crush washer? My gun store here doesn't have one unless I buy it with a flash hider, which I already have (a 4 slot Phantom). Is it possible to buy something like this at a hardware store like Menards or True Value?



Yea a 1/2" split washer will work fine. You can also buy beveled washers that don't have the split in them.
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Link Posted: 11/10/2004 8:10:33 PM EST
Supply the suppressor with the gun, and the shop can time it for you too since it's already in the lathe, that way there are no washers required.

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Link Posted: 11/11/2004 10:35:02 AM EST
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Link Posted: 11/11/2004 11:15:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By BrightFlashlights:
I have spare crushwashers if you need them



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Link Posted: 11/12/2004 5:29:10 PM EST

American Manufacturing Triple X Warrior come standard with crush washers... They work and do not loosen up even with heavy usage.

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Link Posted: 11/14/2004 4:40:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By IDHunt:
I went to the crush washer on all my new projects that need an A2 flash suppresser. The Vortex doesn't need a washer at all.

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Is this correct?
You just screw a Vortex on.
No timing, etc?
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Link Posted: 11/17/2004 8:47:20 PM EST
For new Vortexes (Vorteci?), yes that's correct. For older ones, YMMV. I screwed the older Vortex as far in as it would go, but there was still about an 1/8" gap. I put the LMT's original washer back in to fill up the gap.

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