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Posted: 7/8/2004 8:42:03 PM
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What if one was looking for a more standard look but with better workmanship/materials than a standard M-4 stock? Any info on other choices ?-the mag-pul and crane are a bit too 'space-agey' for my tastes.

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Posted: 7/9/2004 1:17:39 AM
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What if one was looking for a more standard look but with better workmanship/materials than a standard M-4 stock? Any info on other choices ?-the mag-pul and crane are a bit too 'space-agey' for my tastes.


In this case I would look at the Cav Arms ribbed stock. It looks like the standard Colt/RRA stock but is built better/more solid.
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Posted: 7/9/2004 7:55:36 AM

Originally Posted By Magpul:

What if one was looking for a more standard look but with better workmanship/materials than a standard M-4 stock? Any info on other choices ?-the mag-pul and crane are a bit too 'space-agey' for my tastes.


In this case I would look at the Cav Arms ribbed stock. It looks like the standard Colt/RRA stock but is built better/more solid.



Once again... an industry rep impresses me by helping rather than trying to pitch/defend their own product. I look forward to contributing to Mag Pul down the road... kudos
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Posted: 7/10/2004 10:01:55 PM
I know this is a dumb question but I'm new

I just got a bushmaster carbine. I removed the stock to see how it was put together and it has a long receiver extension.

I plan on getting a another stock in Sept, like an ACE SOCOM. I am assuming the SOCOM would replace the long extension, but what about the long spring? Is there a shorter one I need? Would the SOCOM come with everything I need?

Thanks
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Posted: 7/11/2004 3:55:36 AM
Yes, there are standard (rifle) and carbine buffer springs. There are two types of buffers as well.
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Posted: 7/11/2004 10:29:02 PM

Originally Posted By M4-guy:
Yes, there are standard (rifle) and carbine buffer springs. There are two types of buffers as well.



Right... just about anywhere you go sells regular and carbine (shorty) springs and buffers. I'm not sure if the Ace Ltd. M4 SOCOM comes with the extension tube. I want to say it does because I think that it's somewhat reinforced compared to a regular one...

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Posted: 7/12/2004 7:43:11 PM
I've had nothing but good luck with the Rock River, Tactical collapsible stocks (M4 style)
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Posted: 7/14/2004 12:37:05 PM
I like the ACE M4 SOCUM ,it come with everything or need to buy the buffer and spring and which one the standard or carbine. I have a Rock River M4 . I like too the Rock River Tac. collapsible Stock M4 style 6 position,it come with everything or need something else. For the 2 which one is the best.Thanks for your help.
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Posted: 7/15/2004 3:50:14 AM
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great, now i want one of those crane stocks.... Damn I hate spending money




EDIT: check that, i just saw the price of those
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Posted: 7/16/2004 10:36:58 PM
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I see a couple of Magpul M93s in the EE, and I really like the look of the Magpuls.

What are the basic differences between the M93 and the M93A?
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Posted: 7/16/2004 11:21:27 PM

Originally Posted By M4-newbie:
I see a couple of Magpul M93s in the EE, and I really like the look of the Magpuls.

What's the basic differences between the M93 and the M93A?


Cheekweld was the biggest improvement IIRC.
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Posted: 7/17/2004 9:58:50 AM
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So the changes were primarily to the proprietary buffer tube, rather than the stock assembly?
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Posted: 7/17/2004 12:25:53 PM
Summary of M93-M93A Changes- Both the Buffer tube and the body were modified to make the change in cheek weld.





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Posted: 7/17/2004 5:03:05 PM
Ok Rich...You got the grips on the stove, let's get that butt-pad cooked up too, please....... :)
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Posted: 7/17/2004 7:53:49 PM
here are my contributions to this thread,
cheers,
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Posted: 7/18/2004 11:16:08 AM
Dave Lauck at D&L Sports has designed a new tubular stock that looks pretty hot. He's also working on a telescoping version. I've got two .45 pistols by him, and he's building me an AR now as well. Great workmanship on everything I've seen of his.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 12:56:36 PM
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First, a big thank you to all for this very informative thread. Being new to this platform and currently planning my first build, this thread could not have come at a better time.

Right now, I'm leaning towards the MagPul 93A, but the Vltor is still a possibility. That the Magpul people are coming in here to help out with the discussion says a lot about them and their product.

This is going to be very fun.


PS-> What's the importance/need of the "clubfoot" stock feature? Is it better than a standard M4 sloping stock? Does that makes sense?
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Posted: 7/21/2004 3:26:34 PM

Originally Posted By VaughnT:
PS-> What's the importance/need of the "clubfoot" stock feature?



When shooting prone or bench, the clubfoot allows you to use your off-hand to pull the stock into your shoulder.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 4:47:17 PM
I have a Magpul question.

You know the shooting position where one puts the stock a bit higher, almost on the collar bone, and feet more square to the target (almost "isoceles" for rifles).

I've only tried this with a postban/larger stocks, and my face ends up closer to the back of the stock. Yet the Magpul's cheek weld is toward the front.

When adopting such a stance, how well does the Magpul work? I'm about to order the Magpul, just want to know if it's bad for this, or as good as the other options (that have the "Cheekpiece" at the back instead of front.

FWIW I'm 6"5 standing up straight.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 6:34:30 PM
In looking for a collapsible stock(original style) with better materials/workmanship I have found one that is made by Tony's in the Brownell's catalog. It is a standard M-4 style but made of aluminum.

I have tried to look up specs and info on the maker -but cant seem to find anything .

Does anyone own one ,or know anything about Tony's?

It may be just what Im looking for.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 7:48:14 AM

Originally Posted By Battler:
I have a Magpul question.
You know the shooting position where one puts the stock a bit higher, almost on the collar bone, and feet more square to the target (almost "isoceles" for rifles).
I've only tried this with a postban/larger stocks, and my face ends up closer to the back of the stock. Yet the Magpul's cheek weld is toward the front.
When adopting such a stance, how well does the Magpul work? I'm about to order the Magpul, just want to know if it's bad for this, or as good as the other options (that have the "Cheekpiece" at the back instead of front.
FWIW I'm 6"5 standing up straight.



Read this
It's not a magpul but the problem you describe is address by this stock, more or less.
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Posted: 7/22/2004 12:04:15 PM

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:

Originally Posted By Battler:
I have a Magpul question.
You know the shooting position where one puts the stock a bit higher, almost on the collar bone, and feet more square to the target (almost "isoceles" for rifles).
I've only tried this with a postban/larger stocks, and my face ends up closer to the back of the stock. Yet the Magpul's cheek weld is toward the front.
When adopting such a stance, how well does the Magpul work? I'm about to order the Magpul, just want to know if it's bad for this, or as good as the other options (that have the "Cheekpiece" at the back instead of front.
FWIW I'm 6"5 standing up straight.



Read this
It's not a magpul but the problem you describe is address by this stock, more or less.



Yeah, I've posted on the duo, I guess I was wondering if the Magpul could be used in the same way.

(I saw a duo at a class).



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Posted: 7/26/2004 1:32:59 PM
Sorry guys, not trying to hijack this thread, but... What are the legalities of using a collapsable stock, with regards to length? In other words, with the stock fully collapsed, will my carbine still be of legal length? I forget what the minimums are.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 2:00:17 PM
I like the Improved CAR "Wafflestock".

Why no mention of it?
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Posted: 8/11/2004 12:33:18 AM
By Federal law, on a rifle, the barrel MUST be at least 16 inches in length, measured from the closed breech face to the muzzle (NOT including any removable muzzle device).

Overall length by Federal law must be at least 26 inches. Any of the commercial collapsable stocks will meet that minimum with room to spare. Minimum will be somewhere around 30 inches or so, collapsed.

NOTE: at least one state has a different overall minimum length that is longer than 26 inches. I believe it's Michigan, but not certain. There may be others.



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