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Posted: 2/18/2003 3:16:57 AM
[Last Edit: 2/18/2003 3:29:31 AM by TREETOP]
As my needs in gear become more high-speed, I keep watch for little tweaky things that will simplify my life or make it easier. I need to be able to trust my life and the lives of others with my equipment, and I can't waste my time or money on B.S. doo-dads, fancy slings that tie themselves in knots, silly mag clamps, or anything that gets in the way or simply does not work. My life could be lost or saved by my reactions to a given situation, and I cannot risk any questions when it comes to the performance of my gear.


Here's something I ran across recently here, and couldn't wait for the release date. I was fortunate enough to receive a set of Dark Parts rail covers for evaluation, courtesy of John Carney, from Excalibur Arms (He posts here as Bandit-ExcaliburArms, website www.sr-25.com). I immediately tried them out on a few different rifles, and left them on these, a Bushmaster w/ Knight's RAS, and a DPMS w/ Knight's RAS. The DPMS is part of my standard load out. I have an Olympic FIRSH tube on my "varmint" gun, and these also work on it, with no modifications at all.

These are polymer rail covers, overmolded with soft yet stiff rubber. Very similar to the process Hogue uses, it looks like. They lock onto the rails very securely, I'd say they're more secure than the Knight's covers, with NO rattles at all. They really stay in place.

The benefit to the overmolding is GRIP. These things are so non-slip it's not funny. wet hands, dry hands, muddy gloves, chocolate, bloody mess, whatever.

They have a very matte finish, so no reflections. No rattles, so no sound. no slip, so no dropping the weapon unintentionally.
That's 3 variables removed from my rifle, quickly and easily.


Anyway, I could write for days and it would only get more boring. Here's the part you're looking for, the pics:

Standard gear:


A little closer view:


The rail cover itself:



I give these covers 3 thumbs up out of a possible 3.


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Posted: 2/18/2003 4:07:58 AM
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I'm technically "unemployed". I do have preban firearms also, I just don't beat on them the way I do these. Out of the 7 or 8 ARs that I own these two get the most use, especially the DPMS in the foreground with the EO Tech.. [This was a reply to a post that's been deleted]
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Posted: 2/18/2003 1:17:15 PM
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My age is 31. As to your other questions, I'm just like everyone else. I sit behind the computer and pretend I'm Rambo. [:)] [This was a reply to a post that's been deleted]
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Posted: 2/18/2003 1:26:01 PM
Originally Posted By TREETOP: My age is 31. As to your other questions, I'm just like everyone else. I sit behind the computer and pretend I'm Rambo. [:)]
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Posted: 2/18/2003 9:27:24 PM
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"The benefit to the overmolding is GRIP. These things are so non-slip it's not funny. wet hands, dry hands, muddy gloves, chocolate, bloody mess, whatever." Never underestimate the lubricity of melted chocolate and bloody messes! Nice pics though- I thought people bought the KAC RAS for the "cool" KAC pannel covers : ) I'm in the Infantry (Army National Guard) but I rarely mention that life depends on it stuff [I volunteered to deploy when they asked about Iraq but I'm still here so I guess that means I'm not going. I stopped saying that stuff about the time that I realized the Governor only sends support MOS's to war (they try to give us stuff like homeland security because they don't think were combat-effective, but we are- they're just too liberal to ever look in on training to see for themselves.)
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Posted: 2/19/2003 12:43:28 AM
Can these be cut to fit like the Knights panels?
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Posted: 2/19/2003 12:44:05 AM
Maybe I should've skipped all the late night blah blah blah stuff and gotten straight to the point... I consider the Dark Parts panels to be an improvement over the Knight's design, or anyone else's. I will continue to use them. Simple. To the point. [:)]
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Posted: 2/19/2003 12:45:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Deanh: Can these be cut to fit like the Knights panels?
Yes. I haven't cut any of mine, but John says it's been done sucessfully. More info [url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=150862&w=myTopicPop]Here[/url].
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Posted: 2/19/2003 1:05:31 AM
aww look at all the pretty posed gear. now clean those boots, get a real gasmask and there is never EVER dropping of weapons cute spongy grips or not. [:D]
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Posted: 2/19/2003 11:39:13 AM
The only Israeli mask I ever had worked (proper seal and all) I have had 3 USGI masks issued to me and none that would maintain a good seal without my hands holding the mask on. I like the older vietnam style with cheek filters- those masks allowed the user to breath- the new USGI masks are very restrictive and many people nearly hyperventilate wearing them (it never lets you feel like you are getting any oxygen). I could only wonder what it would be like to wear one when scared and out of breath.
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Posted: 2/19/2003 12:19:52 PM
I've got 3 of the israeli ones, and the one I've used has sealed up perfect and worked well. If I breathe in deep with the seal still on the filter, my eyes start bugging out of their sockets. There's no air getting in anywhere but through the filter, period. If someone else needs something fancier, fine for them. I believe this will work for me.
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Posted: 2/19/2003 1:09:40 PM
Those look pretty sweet. Where did you get them?
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Posted: 2/19/2003 1:17:07 PM
11-bravo - when I first became a firefighter in 1984, we had a self contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) manufactured by Scott Aviation that absolutely would not give you enough air if you over-exerted. When I became an officer and accepted the responsibility for my guys, I took to making them run around the station, up stairs, etc with the SCBA on.... NO ONE OF THEM could resist the urge to pull the mask from thier face. Some house fires are toxic enough to drop you in one breath... I know, found out the hard way and got lucky, the mask sealed on my unconscious face... I agree with you 1000%, equipment will kill you if you don't ID it's limitations before you need it.
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Posted: 2/19/2003 1:37:29 PM
Originally Posted By Wipeout: Those look pretty sweet. Where did you get them?
Read. Comprehend. Post. [;)] Excalibur Arms. [url]www.SR-25.com[/url], or [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=22&t=150862&w=myTopicPop[/url]
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Posted: 2/19/2003 1:48:29 PM
I am a little confused how you got the panel cover on the top rail... Did you need to put this on before you put the RAS on the upper? If so, I assume you can't clamp the upper half to the barrel nut? OR, do these panels attach in a way that is different than the KAC panels? [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=7164[/img] I am not sure why somebody would want a cover there BUT I am curious just how you did it!
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Posted: 2/19/2003 2:05:13 PM
I slide mine on from the back of the upper no problems. As for having a pannel cover there I put mine on to protect the rail when not in use.
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Posted: 2/19/2003 2:27:00 PM
pyro0021's reply is correct. I actually removed the top half of the fore-end, put the cover on, replaced the top half, then slid the cover enough to get to the screw. I tightened the screw, then slid the cover back over it.
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Posted: 2/19/2003 3:23:57 PM
Originally Posted By Quarterbore: *** EDIT TO NOTE Overlap in POST *** So, you can not slide these panel on from the upper receiver end... For a second, I thought I was missing a concept!
Sure you can, just not with a BUIS and electronic sight installed. You could remove them, slide the cover over the upper and the rail, then replace them. On an A1 or A2 upper, you'd have to install the cover to the rail system before installation of the rail system. [b]Same thing with the Knight's rails.[/b]
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Posted: 2/19/2003 3:48:57 PM
OK... I am slow today! So you slip it onto the flattop rail and slide it forward over the RAS rail... Thanks for the advise. It's just that this is the first time I really noticed someone using covers on the top rail and given that I never remove my optics or BUIS I never played with a cover on top... I still doubt I would do it with my own uppers but each to their own! Great looking weapons just the same!
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Posted: 2/19/2003 5:07:02 PM
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What the hell does all that writing on the grips say???--Can anybody translate BORG??????[(:|)] Intresting never the less.....
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Posted: 2/20/2003 9:45:58 AM
It doesn't translate directly, so depending on your interpretation, it says either "comfortable grip", or "secure grip", or "sticks to your hand".
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Posted: 2/23/2003 11:38:12 PM
Originally Posted By Deanh: Can these be cut to fit like the Knights panels?
The manufacturer is now ready to supply pre-cut panels in commonly used lengths.
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Posted: 2/23/2003 11:54:49 PM
I'm not much of a panel fan, but these are truly the most comfortable I have tried. I do wish they opened them up in the center with some venting holes for cooling ability for the continued overall weapon performance, instead of trapping hot air like the KAC panels do. Good Shootin, Jack
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Posted: 2/24/2003 12:29:17 AM
Can they be painted? Further to "Jack's" comment - could you drill them with 1/4" holes ever 1/2" or so down the centre? I have seen that done to KAC panels...
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Posted: 2/24/2003 12:33:37 AM
Has anyone who used these noticed if they make the gun feel very thick? I saw a pait at the Shot Show, I dont even remember what type of handguards they were on, but I do recall feeling like it was really thick.
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Posted: 2/24/2003 11:15:49 AM
Originally Posted By new-arguy: Has anyone who used these noticed if they make the gun feel very thick?
According to measurements I took in 3 different places, the total difference in thickness between the DP panel and the Knight's panel is less than 0.100. Makes for a total diameter difference of less than 1/4" if panels are used on both sides. I like it.
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