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Posted: 5/27/2017 6:54:05 PM EDT
Hi,
Even though, Ive been a shooter for a couple of decades, including IPSC teams, owning few firearms, I have yet to build one. That being said, please bear with me, for some silly sounding (to you) questions ;) I am still working on building my AR platform based toy. I have so far: 1. M16 A1 Colt lower F/A 2. complete lower parts kit by FTF Industries 3. BCG (nickel boron), also by FTF 4. buffer tube by UTG pro 5. stock and grip by BCM 6. charging handle by BCM and various tools, vise grips, etc. Since I am not in a hurry, slowly learning and digesting the info, I still need to make a choice on upper, free float / hand guard, gas block, barrel. To answer the main question: what are you planning to do with it? I'll be taking to the range, twice a month, for some fun time and rarely some precision shooting (yes, scope will be added). Hence the idea of having 16" or 18" barrel. Regarding the UPPER: I was about to buy an Aero Precision M4E1 enhanced upper, then I thought of Larue or DD or JP Ent. Then I ran into gazillion others and got lost! They all built out of 7075 alum, but the prices are from $69 to $400! AP advertise "enhanced upper". Is that a gimmick or something I should look into? So, need an advice here please! Thank you, best regards |
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I like the aero stuff. You can get a regular upper or the enhanced if you plan to use their handguard. The enhanced have the mounting part for the handguard already attached to the upper. Hope that makes sense.
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Thank you for a prompt reply. I am planning to instal MI hand guard or DD if more money will be available.
Do I need this "enhancement" added on AP upper? thnx |
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UPD: I just checked their site. Now I realize, that their enhanced upper is only suitable for theirs handguard! :)
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I'm guessing that you do not want an A1upper receiver?
I would buy a Colt M4 upper, personally. Aero is not the quality that they were in the past, imo. |
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I'm guessing that you do not want an A1upper receiver? I would buy a Colt M4 upper, personally. Aero is not the quality that they were in the past, imo. View Quote |
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I'm guessing that you do not want an A1upper receiver? I would buy a Colt M4 upper, personally. Aero is not the quality that they were in the past, imo. View Quote looks like you can get one for $175 (shipping incl). Not bad, but Aero is $79 bucks. I do have that extra $100 to spend, but trying to find an answer - why? I mean, same material, same programmable, computer operated milling machine, same anodizing.... What else? Thank you |
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No offense, but you have a lower worth like $15k at least. It doesn't really make sense to put bargain priced parts in it like utg and FTF industries. Go out and buy some quality Colt parts
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If you got a tax stamp lower, then it doesn't matter what barrel size upper you get so long as you keep in mind that you get a Full Auto bolt carrier group so that it trips the fun switch.
Since uppers are relatively inexpensive, I would go with a couple of different uppers like a 10.5, and 14.5 and just shoot the flavor of the day. I wouldn't really care about brands and chances are you won't be happy with one upper considering the amount of fun you'd have with a tax stamp lower. |
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Here's what I would buy:
I would start with this: Colt 14.5 <--- that would be my main upper 10.3 upper <-- fun day at the range Personally I wouldn't use a tax stamp lower as a self-defense rifle as there's a chance the police won't give it back to you when they seal it as "evidence." |
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Brother if you bought a Colt M16A1 lower, putting a UTG buffer tube on it would be a sin. Buy a genuine Colt receiver extension (buffer tube) as well as F/A Colt LPK.
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No offense, but you have a lower worth like $15k at least. It doesn't really make sense to put bargain priced parts in it like utg and FTF industries. Go out and buy some quality Colt parts View Quote Thnx for advice |
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Here's what I would buy: I would start with this: Colt 14.5 <--- that would be my main upper 10.3 upper <-- fun day at the range Personally I wouldn't use a tax stamp lower as a self-defense rifle as there's a chance the police won't give it back to you when they seal it as "evidence." View Quote |
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What issues have you had? I really like the stuff I have seem come out lately. Have helped a couple friends build using their stuff and all the builds have turned out nice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm guessing that you do not want an A1upper receiver? I would buy a Colt M4 upper, personally. Aero is not the quality that they were in the past, imo. Cosmetic, but crappy and avoidable. |
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are we sure this is a real full auto lower we're talking about here?
what did you pay for it? |
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I never thought of A1 upper, nor do I want one. About M4: I checked the gun broker and other sites, and it looks like you can get one for $175 (shipping incl). Not bad, but Aero is $79 bucks. I do have that extra $100 to spend, but trying to find an answer - why? I mean, same material, same programmable, computer operated milling machine, same anodizing.... What else? Thank you View Quote I bought 2, best quality uppers I have got. |
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Fella,
A Colt F/A lower? Like most have said, you need to pitch all that cheap shit and start over again with all genuine Colt parts. ETA: To do it justice, the upper should be all Colt too. |
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it's full auto. when i have ten more questions, filled with skepticism, then I'll post a pic View Quote It's like a 16 year old who just got his license asking what the cheapest fuel he can put in his mint condition '67 mustang. I would suggest having a gunsmith look at your build prior to firing it. I don't have anything full auto, but I have heard that poorly made parts can lead to an out of battery discharge if the timing isn't right. I would be much more trustful of Colt parts than questionable ftf industries. Colt fa parts can be had for less than the money you paid for the ftf parts if you shop around |
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Thank you for a proper advice. Perhaps I have started on the wrong path, but.... I can explain the reason, I didn't just bought all the Colt or DD parts.
It would have not been a challenge, would it? What's the point of "building" the rifle, if you just order one package with all the parts and assemble it in two hours? I might add, that the main parts, such as barrel, GB, etc, will be top of the line. I did spent numerous hours and days, reading the form and other media, and only here, I am hearing that FA BCG (nick.brn) by FTF, priced at $200 bucks, is crap! Yet, the Colt's FA BCG costs $160, BCM BCG - $170, and most of the BCG that are sold by cheaper production companies, are run from $80 to $140 usd! Is there some sort of an issue with FTF Ind, I should know about And yes, most of you were right on the barrel issue. 14.5" it is. But first, I must deal with the upper. After being by all, I will get a Colt's upper. Could you advise, if there is a difference on "C" + square or "C" + keyhole, or...? Thank you, Warmest regards |
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Thank you for a proper advice. Perhaps I have started on the wrong path, but.... I can explain the reason, I didn't just bought all the Colt or DD parts. It would have not been a challenge, would it? What's the point of "building" the rifle, if you just order one package with all the parts and assemble it in two hours? I might add, that the main parts, such as barrel, GB, etc, will be top of the line. I did spent numerous hours and days, reading the form and other media, and only here, I am hearing that FA BCG (nick.brn) by FTF, priced at $200 bucks, is crap! Yet, the Colt's FA BCG costs $160, BCM BCG - $170, and most of the BCG that are sold by cheaper production companies, are run from $80 to $140 usd! Is there some sort of an issue with FTF Ind, I should know about And yes, most of you were right on the barrel issue. 14.5" it is. But first, I must deal with the upper. After being by all, I will get a Colt's upper. Could you advise, if there is a difference on "C" + square or "C" + keyhole, or...? Thank you, Warmest regards View Quote Square = Brass Aluminum Forge Enterprise Both are markings of the forge, both gtg. The C will designate that the final machine work was performed by Colt. |
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If you truely do have a A1 full auto lower reciever with the complete FCG I would highly recommend using quality mil spec parts. Noveski, BCM and Colt are all I would be using to complete that lower into a rifle.
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1. M16 A1 Colt lower F/A 2. complete lower parts kit by FTF Industries Colt/FN 3. BCG (nickel boron), also by FTF Colt/FN 4. buffer tube by UTG pro Colt/BCM/Spikes 5. stock and grip by BCM This/Colt A2/waffle stock 6. charging handle by BCM This/Colt CH and various tools, vise grips, etc. So, need an advice here please! Thank you, best regards View Quote ....if it were mine. And just a heads up, the UTG tube is |
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....if it were mine. And just a heads up, the UTG tube is View Quote Also, how come no one suggested JP Enterprise for example? or DD? BCM is what everyone talking about. Yet, BCM best tool is aggressive marketing and...yes, they do make a good products! I did actually ordered few BCM parts, but didn't know, the buffer tube (machined to mil-spec) was that important... In any event, I'll order Colt's upper. And since I narrowed down to two choices for free floats (DD or MI), I assume, it is safe to say, that .750 GB from DD is a right choice? Correct? thx |
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Does "Daniel Defense A1 Burnsed Loop Ambi Locking Plate DD-4032 COLT Bushmaster Spikes" looks good to be installed?
and Complete Mil-Spec Anti Rotation Trigger / Hammer Pin Set, is something worth installing? Thnx |
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I picked up an Aero upper and test fit it on my LE6920, found it fit really well, nice and tight: https://3.bp.misaligned.com/-/misaligned/AAAAAAAAnBc/misaligned_xbD3Gb0CRlMwNCZgCPcB/s1600/P3174583.JPG View Quote And the second question is on coloring. Perhaps, this is my monitor's color calibration, but I see darker area on the right. Or both, upper and lower were painted by you? here are the pix: http://s61.photobucket.com/user/victorxray18/media/upperAndlower_zpsdarzywpf.png.html http://s61.photobucket.com/user/victorxray18/media/coloringAR15_zpsjpyqo0jh.png.html |
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Thank you, but I don't want to buy a fully assembled upper. That is a half of the rifle and I am trying to build one, piece by piece. Even if I'd want the same look (which I admit, looks excellent), I would still order every piece separately and try to assemble it myself.
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DD M4V7S View Quote and dark black DD upper with all the markings, will not have the perfect symbiosis. Colt upper it is! Now, it's free float, GB (no idea yet and I know nothing about them), then barrel or vice versa, then iron sights, then sights (inclining towards Trijicon for now, after scraping the idea of red dot, etc). Regards, |
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Also, could someone (everyone) advise me on the Colt's upper A3/A4 with no feed ramps? Better to have ramps or doesn't really matter?
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Also, could someone (everyone) advise me on the Colt's upper A3/A4 with no feed ramps? Better to have ramps or doesn't really matter? Thank you View Quote |
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Thank you.
Gentlemen, Do I need this??? Complete Anti-Rotation Trigger/Hammer Pin Set .223/5.56 Thnx |
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I can't find too many pros and cons about it. What about some info from the actual users??
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Thank you for sharing. Please don't get me wrong, but is the line up here, supposed to be a bit "imperfect"? It seems a bit misaligned. And the second question is on coloring. Perhaps, this is my monitor's color calibration, but I see darker area on the right. Or both, upper and lower were painted by you? p.s. I just tried to add pictures but couldn't. it asks about url, but i have no url, they are on my desktop View Quote |
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Hi, Even though, Ive been a shooter for a couple of decades, including IPSC teams, owning few firearms, I have yet to build one. That being said, please bear with me, for some silly sounding (to you) questions ;) I am still working on building my AR platform based toy. I have so far: 1. M16 A1 Colt lower F/A 2. complete lower parts kit by FTF Industries 3. BCG (nickel boron), also by FTF 4. buffer tube by UTG pro 5. stock and grip by BCM 6. charging handle by BCM and various tools, vise grips, etc. Since I am not in a hurry, slowly learning and digesting the info, I still need to make a choice on upper, free float / hand guard, gas block, barrel. To answer the main question: what are you planning to do with it? I'll be taking to the range, twice a month, for some fun time and rarely some precision shooting (yes, scope will be added). Hence the idea of having 16" or 18" barrel. Regarding the UPPER: I was about to buy an Aero Precision M4E1 enhanced upper, then I thought of Larue or DD or JP Ent. Then I ran into gazillion others and got lost! They all built out of 7075 alum, but the prices are from $69 to $400! AP advertise "enhanced upper". Is that a gimmick or something I should look into? So, need an advice here please! Thank you, best regards View Quote Since you already have an NFA lower why not use an NFA length upper? Why bother with a 16" or 18" barrel? |
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