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Posted: 2/5/2017 11:28:46 PM EDT
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Is this upper more CAR length hand guard, or closer to mid length? With my long arms, I'm hoping for closer to mid length, from people who know or can post a picture.
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Posted: 2/6/2017 1:09:21 AM EDT
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now?
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Posted: 2/6/2017 2:10:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/6/2017 2:22:20 AM EDT
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now? Same reason I want a Mauser, and a Finnish Mosin, and a HK 93, and and M1 Garand. Because it is cool. I have more vanilla AR 15s than I can use. I just want more, and more diversity. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 1:03:10 PM EDT
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now? Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 1:10:59 PM EDT
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I've got a lower, red dot and buis ready for this thing. You're not alone brother. All I need is the upper. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 1:19:04 PM EDT
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Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now? Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. That may be the motive for some people, but I promise you this. Most of us want it... wait for it... because it is cool. We like the way it looks. We already have four DI guns that work perfectly, and we want to get this thing because it looks fun to own. This isn't about DI vs piston. It's just a cool thing that we want to have in our collection. |
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Posted: 2/6/2017 5:26:15 PM EDT
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That may be the motive for some people, but I promise you this. Most of us want it... wait for it... because it is cool. We like the way it looks. We already have four DI guns that work perfectly, and we want to get this thing because it looks fun to own. This isn't about DI vs piston. It's just a cool thing that we want to have in our collection. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now? Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. That may be the motive for some people, but I promise you this. Most of us want it... wait for it... because it is cool. We like the way it looks. We already have four DI guns that work perfectly, and we want to get this thing because it looks fun to own. This isn't about DI vs piston. It's just a cool thing that we want to have in our collection. Yeah I get it. Sorry I was drunk last night. After further review I like foreign military shit and this is a symbolic FU to China. Kinda want one as I dont have a piston upper. I appreciate that this is a replica of what they use and not a foreign invasion of what WE already make, further saturating the market. |
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Posted: 2/8/2017 12:19:16 AM EDT
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Our upper did not come with a rear sight even though it was in the retail packaging but they clearly stated that it was demo'ing on the range. V/R Ron Ron, Any kind of update on how many rounds the upper has seen so far as of early February? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 4:26:45 PM EDT
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Ron, Any kind of update on how many rounds the upper has seen so far as of early February? I hate to say it but we finally suffered a failure with the upper. The plastic hand guard at the gas block finally cracked. The upper is still functional and I myself would feel safe using it but because of liability issues, I had the armorers pull it. The hand guards attach to the gas block and after continuous running, it's my opinion that the heat not going into the upper receiver/bolt carrier group is caused the plastic to crack. It has been very low-maintenance unit and will definitely add more to the left when a rail is available. I'm not knocking the quality of the rail but most customers want the look of a rail with cover and forwards pistol grip. V/R Ron Edit: dyslexia and a cocktail while on the flight |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 5:03:11 PM EDT
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I hate to say it but we finally sufferers a failure with the upper. The plastic hand guard at the gas block finally cracked. The upper is still functional and I myself would feel safe using it but because of liability issues, I had the armorers pull it. The hand guards attach to the gas block and after continuous running, it's my opinion that the not going into thr upper receiver/bolt carrier group, that caused the plastic to crack. It has been very low-maintenance unit and will definitely add more to the left when a rail is available. I'm not knocking the quality of the rail but most customers want the look of a rail with cover and forwards pistol grip. V/R Ron Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ron, Any kind of update on how many rounds the upper has seen so far as of early February? I hate to say it but we finally sufferers a failure with the upper. The plastic hand guard at the gas block finally cracked. The upper is still functional and I myself would feel safe using it but because of liability issues, I had the armorers pull it. The hand guards attach to the gas block and after continuous running, it's my opinion that the not going into thr upper receiver/bolt carrier group, that caused the plastic to crack. It has been very low-maintenance unit and will definitely add more to the left when a rail is available. I'm not knocking the quality of the rail but most customers want the look of a rail with cover and forwards pistol grip. V/R Ron Thanks for the update Ron. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 6:56:21 PM EDT
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I hate to say it but we finally suffered a failure with the upper. The plastic hand guard at the gas block finally cracked. The upper is still functional and I myself would feel safe using it but because of liability issues, I had the armorers pull it. Just under four months in your operating conditions and it breaks a part of the handguard? I don't know how much I'd hold that against the upper. Any estimate on the round count at this time? |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:28:06 PM EDT
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Just under four months in your operating conditions .... Any estimate on the round count at this time? Also, thanks for continuing to update us 
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Posted: 2/16/2017 8:42:55 PM EDT
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I hate to say it but we finally suffered a failure with the upper. The plastic hand guard at the gas block finally cracked. The upper is still functional and I myself would feel safe using it but because of liability issues, I had the armorers pull it. The hand guards attach to the gas block and after continuous running, it's my opinion that the heat not going into the upper receiver/bolt carrier group is caused the plastic to crack. It has been very low-maintenance unit and will definitely add more to the left when a rail is available. I'm not knocking the quality of the rail but most customers want the look of a rail with cover and forwards pistol grip. V/R Ron Edit: dyslexia and a cocktail while on the flight |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 9:38:09 PM EDT
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Just under four months in your operating conditions and it breaks a part of the handguard? I don't know how much I'd hold that against the upper. Any estimate on the round count at this time? Ditto on the estimated round count request. If the plastic handguard cracked at the gas block from the heat, that's not surprising. I've melted plastic handguards on AR15's, M4's and M16's. 
Wondering if we'll ever see the T91 quad rail in the states. |
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Posted: 2/16/2017 10:12:06 PM EDT
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Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now? Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 5:43:18 AM EDT
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The ROC desgn in proven. They've been running it for a VERY LONG TIME. This isn't just some fad upper. It is a proven military design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would I buy something from Taiwan with prices on US stuff being so cheap right now? Some people can't seem to get over the idea that DI is a reliable system and they are infatuated with piston uppers. The problem is that many of those uppers are STUPID expensive....so, for those folks that think they will gain some advantage out of a pistol upper but don't want to shell out lots of cash, this would be of interest. Personally, I don't think pistons add much and their negatives outweigh the positives but it takes all kinds to make the world go round. The original T65 was adopted in 1976, so 41 years. Damn good track record. But we don't exactly have armorer's logs on what fails nor when it fails, not yet, anyway. It isn't better than DI, but I wouldn't call it worse, either. Not after it's been in continuous service for 40+ years. It's different... And a proven design. That's why people are interested. |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 11:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:It's different... And a proven design. That's why people are interested. Yep. It's also an armory-produced genuine military arm. It's not made by some LLC in a business park in Iowa by a guy just trying to pay the bills. It's the real-deal item that we're lucky enough to have released to us in a small batch here in the states. Why do people collect Milsurps and build rifles from demilled part kits? Because we want the real thing. That's why this is so interesting. A whole lot of people are seeing this and spewing some bullshit about DI vs. Piston. I couldn't give a shit about that stupid argument and it makes me think the people complaining about it are either not paying attention or just idiots who can't comprehend meaning in a firearm beyond whatever the current flavor-of-the-month is. /rant over |
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Posted: 2/17/2017 11:55:35 PM EDT
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The system has been around long enough and battle proven in Taiwan, El Salvador, Haiti, Liberia, Lybia and Panama. No further testing is required.
Just take my money already so I can get on with building my Type 65 clone. |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 11:52:53 AM EDT
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enough bullshit arguing. When is this available?
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Posted: 2/18/2017 12:29:22 PM EDT
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enough bullshit arguing. When is this available? |
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Posted: 2/18/2017 12:45:54 PM EDT
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enough bullshit arguing. When is this available? It should have already made its way to distributors... No idea what the hold up is. 
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Posted: 2/19/2017 1:58:53 AM EDT
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Hurry the fuck up and take my fucking money.
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Posted: 2/19/2017 6:58:52 AM EDT
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Hurry the fuck up and take my fucking money. WORD 
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Posted: 2/20/2017 8:04:14 PM EDT
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Did some accuracy test with the new Trijicon AccuPower 1-8x28mm yesterday. Few issues (not with the upper): - The Trijicon's center-cross hair is bigger than the 1-in squard on Hornady target. I need to use my Nikon 4-16x50mm FFP scope next time. - While I like the Warne MSR QD rings, it really needs more off-sets with this optic. I will try to get a Geissele Super mount. - The Alexander Arms single-stage trigger with its blade type trigger bow is no really made for precision shooting. I will switch that out to a set of LaRue MBT trigger. - I need better support. I was just using my range bag on a cheap plastic folding table. Need to go prone on a matte and couple of sandbag support. - It was windy and cold.... Now with all the above handicaps: 2-in group with the US-made Fiocch 55gr commercial ammo, slightly better with the Taiwanese made WPA Gold 55gr loaded in milspec pressure, 1.7" with Blackhills Mk262 77gr. All tested at 100 yds. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 8:51:30 PM EDT
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http://i68.tinypic.com/28un436.jpg Did some accuracy test with the new Trijicon AccuPower 1-8x28mm yesterday. Few issues (not with the upper): - The Trijicon's center-cross hair is bigger than the 1-in squard on Hornady target. I need to use my Nikon 4-16x50mm FFP scope next time. - While I like the Warne MSR QD rings, it really needs more off-sets with this optic. I will try to get a Geissele Super mount. - The Alexander Arms single-stage trigger with its blade type trigger bow is no really made for precision shooting. I will switch that out to a set of LaRue MBT trigger. - I need better support. I was just using my range bag on a cheap plastic folding table. Need to go prone on a matte and couple of sandbag support. - It was windy and cold.... Now with all the above handicaps: 2-in group with the US-made Fiocch 55gr commercial ammo, slightly better with the Taiwanese made WPA Gold 55gr loaded in milspec pressure, 1.7" with Blackhills Mk262 77gr. All tested at 100 yds. 2 MOA isn't bad from a non-floated military rifle, particularly a piston AR |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 10:25:38 PM EDT
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http://i68.tinypic.com/28un436.jpg Did some accuracy test with the new Trijicon AccuPower 1-8x28mm yesterday. Few issues (not with the upper): - The Trijicon's center-cross hair is bigger than the 1-in squard on Hornady target. I need to use my Nikon 4-16x50mm FFP scope next time. - While I like the Warne MSR QD rings, it really needs more off-sets with this optic. I will try to get a Geissele Super mount. - The Alexander Arms single-stage trigger with its blade type trigger bow is no really made for precision shooting. I will switch that out to a set of LaRue MBT trigger. - I need better support. I was just using my range bag on a cheap plastic folding table. Need to go prone on a matte and couple of sandbag support. - It was windy and cold.... Now with all the above handicaps: 2-in group with the US-made Fiocch 55gr commercial ammo, slightly better with the Taiwanese made WPA Gold 55gr loaded in milspec pressure, 1.7" with Blackhills Mk262 77gr. All tested at 100 yds. |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 1:44:34 AM EDT
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http://i68.tinypic.com/28un436.jpg Did some accuracy test with the new Trijicon AccuPower 1-8x28mm yesterday. Few issues (not with the upper): - The Trijicon's center-cross hair is bigger than the 1-in squard on Hornady target. I need to use my Nikon 4-16x50mm FFP scope next time. - While I like the Warne MSR QD rings, it really needs more off-sets with this optic. I will try to get a Geissele Super mount. - The Alexander Arms single-stage trigger with its blade type trigger bow is no really made for precision shooting. I will switch that out to a set of LaRue MBT trigger. - I need better support. I was just using my range bag on a cheap plastic folding table. Need to go prone on a matte and couple of sandbag support. - It was windy and cold.... Now with all the above handicaps: 2-in group with the US-made Fiocch 55gr commercial ammo, slightly better with the Taiwanese made WPA Gold 55gr loaded in milspec pressure, 1.7" with Blackhills Mk262 77gr. All tested at 100 yds. Thanks! Now where'd you get one?! |
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Posted: 2/22/2017 1:53:15 AM EDT
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It's a loaner just like Ron's because I'm in the industry. A small batch will be available next month with more to come afterward. Probably majority will be end up on Aims Surplus.
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Posted: 2/22/2017 10:28:45 PM EDT
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It's a loaner just like Ron's because I'm in the industry. A small batch will be available next month with more to come afterward. Probably majority will be end up on Aims Surplus. 
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Posted: 2/23/2017 4:59:55 PM EDT
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I have an article coming out any time in Firearms News testing the new Wolf piston upper too.
Nice solid design which runs and shoots well for a piston gun without the crazy price tags some have. |
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:19:49 PM EDT
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I have an article coming out any time in Firearms News testing the new Wolf piston upper too. Nice solid design which runs and shoots well for a piston gun without the crazy price tags some have. So there's no need to buy the magazine with that synopsis? 
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Posted: 2/23/2017 6:25:04 PM EDT
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Sounds like that to me.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 2:15:40 AM EDT
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I have an article coming out any time in Firearms News testing the new Wolf piston upper too. Nice solid design which runs and shoots well for a piston gun without the crazy price tags some have. So there's no need to buy the magazine with that synopsis? There's lots of words and numbers and things, so maybe not.......LOL |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 9:35:39 AM EDT
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The ROC desgn in proven. They've been running it for a VERY LONG TIME. This isn't just some fad upper. It is a proven military design. With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 9:39:24 AM EDT
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Yep. It's also an armory-produced genuine military arm. It's not made by some LLC in a business park in Iowa by a guy just trying to pay the bills. It's the real-deal item that we're lucky enough to have released to us in a small batch here in the states. Why do people collect Milsurps and build rifles from demilled part kits? Because we want the real thing. That's why this is so interesting. A whole lot of people are seeing this and spewing some bullshit about DI vs. Piston. I couldn't give a shit about that stupid argument and it makes me think the people complaining about it are either not paying attention or just idiots who can't comprehend meaning in a firearm beyond whatever the current flavor-of-the-month is. /rant over Or maybe THIS is the current flavor of the month? The "American Standard" is the DI AR15, period. As far as an "armory produced design"....if you buy consumer grade junk, that's what you get, there are plenty of Mil Spec or better AR's- and the standards are well known, available right now. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 10:15:07 AM EDT
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With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ROC desgn in proven. They've been running it for a VERY LONG TIME. This isn't just some fad upper. It is a proven military design. With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 10:31:41 AM EDT
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There is room for all. The DI standard (of which I have 4) can be a great and reliable gun, and this piston can be a great reliable gun. They are not mutually exclusive. Most of the interest in this upper is just that it offers some variety, that it is an example of a gun used by a foreign military. same reason people like FALs, HK 91s, Garands, Mosins, Mausers, and Springfield Trapdoors. Sure, but people certainly do seem to be interested in "How many rounds it will last?"..... That's a question usually posed by people not so much interested in "historical significance, design advancement, Martial History" etc...as it is- "Will my SHTF rifle last me through the mutant hordes I slay on my way to being Humoungous, Lord of the Cul De Sac Soccer Moms". The guy that buys a Trapdoor Springfield because it's a US Martial Arm etc... generally isn't going to put 25,000 rounds through it....he appreciates it as a piece of firearms history..... |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:47:21 AM EDT
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Sure, but people certainly do seem to be interested in "How many rounds it will last?"..... That's a question usually posed by people not so much interested in "historical significance, design advancement, Martial History" etc...as it is- "Will my SHTF rifle last me through the mutant hordes I slay on my way to being Humoungous, Lord of the Cul De Sac Soccer Moms". The guy that buys a Trapdoor Springfield because it's a US Martial Arm etc... generally isn't going to put 25,000 rounds through it....he appreciates it as a piece of firearms history..... |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:56:09 AM EDT
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Just under four months in your operating conditions and it breaks a part of the handguard? I don't know how much I'd hold that against the upper. Any estimate on the round count at this time? Are you serious? Do you know that four months of use at Rons gun torture house is probably equal to four lifetimes of use for your typical arfcommer who shoots less than a thousand rounds a year. And aftermarket parts will come out. Especially better hand guards Sounds to me like this upper is gtg. Four months at Rons gun torture house and only a cracked hand guard? Yeah, gtg. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 12:03:40 PM EDT
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I just wanted one as a suppressor host.
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Posted: 2/24/2017 1:25:16 PM EDT
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Are you serious? Do you know that four months of use at Rons gun torture house is probably equal to four lifetimes of use for your typical arfcommer who shoots less than a thousand rounds a year. And aftermarket parts will come out. Especially better hand guards Sounds to me like this upper is gtg. Four months at Rons gun torture house and only a cracked hand guard? Yeah, gtg. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 2:51:36 PM EDT
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With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... Quoted:
Or maybe THIS is the current flavor of the month? The "American Standard" is the DI AR15, period. As far as an "armory produced design"....if you buy consumer grade junk, that's what you get, there are plenty of Mil Spec or better AR's- and the standards are well known, available right now. Quoted:
Sure, but people certainly do seem to be interested in "How many rounds it will last?"..... That's a question usually posed by people not so much interested in "historical significance, design advancement, Martial History" etc...as it is- "Will my SHTF rifle last me through the mutant hordes I slay on my way to being Humoungous, Lord of the Cul De Sac Soccer Moms". The guy that buys a Trapdoor Springfield because it's a US Martial Arm etc... generally isn't going to put 25,000 rounds through it....he appreciates it as a piece of firearms history..... So you don't buy one, Will, how easy is that? |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 3:16:02 PM EDT
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So you don't buy one, Will, how easy is that? Easy enough. I'm done with my Toy phase. Having said that, I look back on the money absolutely WASTED on stupid shit- like making a Daewoo DR200 (A cheap 5.56 piston gun that used AR mags- before there WERE piston guns....The GRAIL of many...) into a decent rifle with a rail, optics mount, full 922R etc....and given it to do over again I damn sure would not. There were numerous other "phases" along the way- none of which did anything a decent DI AR couldn't do- but cost a bunch of money. Many have not come to that realization yet.... |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 4:41:54 PM EDT
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With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The ROC desgn in proven. They've been running it for a VERY LONG TIME. This isn't just some fad upper. It is a proven military design. With no PROVEN benefits over a DI upper and little support. Ask the owners of Daewoo DR200 rifles how easy it is to find a bolt for that "proven military design" these days in this country... (Yea, I know a LITTLE about "other firearms history" in this country, other than the "flavor of the month"--- I've owned a shit ton of odd ball stuff- Galils, Hk93's, Fnc, Augs, Valmets, AR180s', Bushmaster M17 etc...)...... But for serious use it offers no benefits over a standard DI gun that I can see. If you want a "Gee Whiz I gotta" kind of Walter Mitty toy, fine and it's certainly a free country.... I have a legit Daewoo K2 (Stoeger marked Max II) 
You want to talk about lack of support? I have a MSAR AUG Clone too. The design is proven. It isn't a bullshit fad upper like a piston conversion. Does it do anything different than DI? Nope. Is it a legit ROC Upper? Yup. That right there makes it worth it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:22:15 PM EDT
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LOL.... Daewoo DR200 I have a legit Daewoo K2 (Stoeger marked Max II) http://i.imgur.com/XT029Ek.jpg You want to talk about lack of support? I have a MSAR AUG Clone too. The design is proven. It isn't a bullshit fad upper like a piston conversion. Does it do anything different than DI? Nope. Is it a legit ROC Upper? Yup. That right there makes it worth it. Then you are well aware of the perils of "cool stuff"..... Like I said, toys are fun but when you rarely take them out to shoot because you're afraid they might break etc...not so fun. You know how many such guns I've seen at gun shows that people are trying to practically GIVE AWAY because something broke and they can't find a part or they have one half assed mag and the guns are essentially an expensive paper weight? Stuff like Steyr GB pistols- Magazine is $125. Or how about a Beretta AR70? Cheap mags and easy to find firing pins and extractors there! How about a ten round mag for an HK SL 7 or 770? Only $150 apiece- scope mount is only twice that....or more.....Are we having fun yet? |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 5:22:16 PM EDT
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Easy enough. I'm done with my Toy phase. Having said that, I look back on the money absolutely WASTED on stupid shit- like making a Daewoo DR200 (A cheap 5.56 piston gun that used AR mags- before there WERE piston guns....The GRAIL of many...) into a decent rifle with a rail, optics mount, full 922R etc....and given it to do over again I damn sure would not. There were numerous other "phases" along the way- none of which did anything a decent DI AR couldn't do- but cost a bunch of money. Many have not come to that realization yet.... Why were you trying Barbie doll up a gun that was never designed for it? Treat it like an iron sighted A1 or A2 and you're gtg. I've had my dr200 since the 90s and have never needed extra parts (so far) |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 7:15:22 PM EDT
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LOL.... Daewoo DR200 I have a legit Daewoo K2 (Stoeger marked Max II) http://i.imgur.com/XT029Ek.jpg You want to talk about lack of support? I have a MSAR AUG Clone too. The design is proven. It isn't a bullshit fad upper like a piston conversion. Does it do anything different than DI? Nope. Is it a legit ROC Upper? Yup. That right there makes it worth it. 
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Posted: 2/24/2017 9:42:36 PM EDT
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Then you are well aware of the perils of "cool stuff"..... Like I said, toys are fun but when you rarely take them out to shoot because you're afraid they might break etc...not so fun. You know how many such guns I've seen at gun shows that people are trying to practically GIVE AWAY because something broke and they can't find a part or they have one half assed mag and the guns are essentially an expensive paper weight? Stuff like Steyr GB pistols- Magazine is $125. Or how about a Beretta AR70? Cheap mags and easy to find firing pins and extractors there! How about a ten round mag for an HK SL 7 or 770? Only $150 apiece- scope mount is only twice that....or more.....Are we having fun yet? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL.... Daewoo DR200 I have a legit Daewoo K2 (Stoeger marked Max II) http://i.imgur.com/XT029Ek.jpg You want to talk about lack of support? I have a MSAR AUG Clone too. The design is proven. It isn't a bullshit fad upper like a piston conversion. Does it do anything different than DI? Nope. Is it a legit ROC Upper? Yup. That right there makes it worth it. Then you are well aware of the perils of "cool stuff"..... Like I said, toys are fun but when you rarely take them out to shoot because you're afraid they might break etc...not so fun. You know how many such guns I've seen at gun shows that people are trying to practically GIVE AWAY because something broke and they can't find a part or they have one half assed mag and the guns are essentially an expensive paper weight? Stuff like Steyr GB pistols- Magazine is $125. Or how about a Beretta AR70? Cheap mags and easy to find firing pins and extractors there! How about a ten round mag for an HK SL 7 or 770? Only $150 apiece- scope mount is only twice that....or more.....Are we having fun yet? 
 Ten Round Magazine cost me $200.
 Five Round Magazine cost me $75.
What's your point? I take it out and hunt with it. HK does not warranty it nor even have the design anymore. They sold it to Merkel. I own Krags and Gew 88s. Parts aren't cheap for either. I own stuff because I want it. Not everything has to have a purpose to fight off the horde of the undead and me running the slave camp of soccer moms. I want this upper because it is a legit ROC design. Simple as that. Same reasons why I want a Howa Type 89 or a ChiCom Type 81. |
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Posted: 2/24/2017 11:15:17 PM EDT
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Easy enough. I'm done with my Toy phase. Having said that, I look back on the money absolutely WASTED on stupid shit- like making a Daewoo DR200 (A cheap 5.56 piston gun that used AR mags- before there WERE piston guns....The GRAIL of many...) into a decent rifle with a rail, optics mount, full 922R etc....and given it to do over again I damn sure would not. There were numerous other "phases" along the way- none of which did anything a decent DI AR couldn't do- but cost a bunch of money. Many have not come to that realization yet.... Sooo you took a rifle many collect for it's uniqueness and history and tried to turn it into an oper8or mall ninja rifle. I kinda get why you're not into this upper. It's not "regular kit" that can be messed with. It's not about that. This upper clearly isn't for you. That's cool. No problem with how you want to collect and use your firearms. But also realize there isn't anything wrong with how other people like to collect and use their firearms. And FYI butting into and shitting on a thread where people ARE excited about something you're not is a dickass thing to do, so maybe cut that out. |
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