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Posted: 11/15/2016 4:13:53 PM EDT
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FYI - she said they will call & email each of us for full invoice payment when our place in line comes up. If they don't get a response within 24 hours that buyer gets bumped to the next batch to ship.
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Posted: 11/15/2016 4:44:58 PM EDT
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I hope a lot of you pre-order guys canceled. I place mine on 7/31.
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Posted: 11/15/2016 4:56:55 PM EDT
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FYI - she said they will call & email each of us for full invoice payment when our place in line comes up. If they don't get a response within 24 hours that buyer gets bumped to the next batch to ship. Thanks, I will keep a lookout and update the thread when I get the email. |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 5:10:36 PM EDT
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Called Fostech this morning for an update - the first Echo shipped last week to the patent holder the design was based on. They are currently building triggers & setting them aside, 200 are assembled & ready to ship... the hold-up is they are waiting for the clam-shell packaging to arrive. I neglected to ask when this packaging was scheduled to be delivered but was told my pre-order from 03/30 will be in my hands in December. I specifically asked if their ATF letter covers the final design & was told it does. A copy of the letter will be included w/ each trigger. The rep I spoke w/ was very polite, quick to answer all of my questions & was in no rush to get off the phone... seemed like she was shooting straight w/ me. She assured me there are no lingering quality control issues to delay production & that each unit is being tested before shipping. She did not tell me about the package problems. Maybe that is what they were waiting to arrive last week for shipment this week. I was told this week is when shipping would begin. I wonder if they backed off and are saying December due to the packaging? I did not ask about the ATF letter but that's great it covers the current design. I still have not received an email for my final payment. I am paid in full. I think I might call them tomorrow. |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 5:25:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She did not tell me about the package problems. Maybe that is what they were waiting to arrive last week for shipment this week. I was told this week is when shipping would begin. I wonder if they backed off and are saying December due to the packaging? I did not ask about the ATF letter but that's great it covers the current design. I still have not received an email for my final payment. I am paid in full. I think I might call them tomorrow. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Called Fostech this morning for an update - the first Echo shipped last week to the patent holder the design was based on. They are currently building triggers & setting them aside, 200 are assembled & ready to ship... the hold-up is they are waiting for the clam-shell packaging to arrive. I neglected to ask when this packaging was scheduled to be delivered but was told my pre-order from 03/30 will be in my hands in December. I specifically asked if their ATF letter covers the final design & was told it does. A copy of the letter will be included w/ each trigger. The rep I spoke w/ was very polite, quick to answer all of my questions & was in no rush to get off the phone... seemed like she was shooting straight w/ me. She assured me there are no lingering quality control issues to delay production & that each unit is being tested before shipping. She did not tell me about the package problems. Maybe that is what they were waiting to arrive last week for shipment this week. I was told this week is when shipping would begin. I wonder if they backed off and are saying December due to the packaging? I did not ask about the ATF letter but that's great it covers the current design. I still have not received an email for my final payment. I am paid in full. I think I might call them tomorrow. If you get any new info please report back. Better just a few of us checking in w/ them, getting detailed info & posting updates vs many calling & inundating them w/ repeat questions. She said they were ramping up production personnel numbers as well so they are definitely shorthanded at this time. The more folks they have assembling & packaging vs answering phones, the better. |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 10:13:31 PM EDT
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You could put the trigger pack in, but you will need to mod your 9mm carrier to use the trip/catch function of the echo. The Franklin binary trigger should work pretty well in your 9mm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haven't been following this, but you think I could drop this in my PSA AR-9? The Franklin binary trigger should work pretty well in your 9mm. Didn't see anything in this thread about bolt modifications. Sorry if I'm doubling back, could anyone point me in the direction for some more info on this? I take it Fostech offers a proprietary bolt with the trigger? |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 10:20:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't see anything in this thread about bolt modifications. Sorry if I'm doubling back, could anyone point me in the direction for some more info on this? I take it Fostech offers a proprietary bolt with the trigger? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Haven't been following this, but you think I could drop this in my PSA AR-9? The Franklin binary trigger should work pretty well in your 9mm. Didn't see anything in this thread about bolt modifications. Sorry if I'm doubling back, could anyone point me in the direction for some more info on this? I take it Fostech offers a proprietary bolt with the trigger? |
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Posted: 11/15/2016 10:22:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't see anything in this thread about bolt modifications. Sorry if I'm doubling back, could anyone point me in the direction for some more info on this? I take it Fostech offers a proprietary bolt with the trigger? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Haven't been following this, but you think I could drop this in my PSA AR-9? The Franklin binary trigger should work pretty well in your 9mm. Didn't see anything in this thread about bolt modifications. Sorry if I'm doubling back, could anyone point me in the direction for some more info on this? I take it Fostech offers a proprietary bolt with the trigger? Echo Trigger: Everything you need to know Carrier talk starts at 4:25 |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 12:45:51 AM EDT
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If you get any new info please report back. Better just a few of us checking in w/ them, getting detailed info & posting updates vs many calling & inundating them w/ repeat questions. She said they were ramping up production personnel numbers as well so they are definitely shorthanded at this time. The more folks they have assembling & packaging vs answering phones, the better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Called Fostech this morning for an update - the first Echo shipped last week to the patent holder the design was based on. They are currently building triggers & setting them aside, 200 are assembled & ready to ship... the hold-up is they are waiting for the clam-shell packaging to arrive. I neglected to ask when this packaging was scheduled to be delivered but was told my pre-order from 03/30 will be in my hands in December. I specifically asked if their ATF letter covers the final design & was told it does. A copy of the letter will be included w/ each trigger. The rep I spoke w/ was very polite, quick to answer all of my questions & was in no rush to get off the phone... seemed like she was shooting straight w/ me. She assured me there are no lingering quality control issues to delay production & that each unit is being tested before shipping. She did not tell me about the package problems. Maybe that is what they were waiting to arrive last week for shipment this week. I was told this week is when shipping would begin. I wonder if they backed off and are saying December due to the packaging? I did not ask about the ATF letter but that's great it covers the current design. I still have not received an email for my final payment. I am paid in full. I think I might call them tomorrow. If you get any new info please report back. Better just a few of us checking in w/ them, getting detailed info & posting updates vs many calling & inundating them w/ repeat questions. She said they were ramping up production personnel numbers as well so they are definitely shorthanded at this time. The more folks they have assembling & packaging vs answering phones, the better. On there Facebook someone saying it won't be ship until January or February |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 1:40:45 AM EDT
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Called Fostech this morning for an update - the first Echo shipped last week to the patent holder the design was based on. They are currently building triggers & setting them aside, 200 are assembled & ready to ship... the hold-up is they are waiting for the clam-shell packaging to arrive. I neglected to ask when this packaging was scheduled to be delivered but was told my pre-order from 03/30 will be in my hands in December. I specifically asked if their ATF letter covers the final design & was told it does. A copy of the letter will be included w/ each trigger. The rep I spoke w/ was very polite, quick to answer all of my questions & was in no rush to get off the phone... seemed like she was shooting straight w/ me. She assured me there are no lingering quality control issues to delay production & that each unit is being tested before shipping. She did not tell me about the package problems. Maybe that is what they were waiting to arrive last week for shipment this week. I was told this week is when shipping would begin. I wonder if they backed off and are saying December due to the packaging? I did not ask about the ATF letter but that's great it covers the current design. I still have not received an email for my final payment. I am paid in full. I think I might call them tomorrow. If you get any new info please report back. Better just a few of us checking in w/ them, getting detailed info & posting updates vs many calling & inundating them w/ repeat questions. She said they were ramping up production personnel numbers as well so they are definitely shorthanded at this time. The more folks they have assembling & packaging vs answering phones, the better. On there Facebook someone saying it won't be ship until January or February I did not read that. I was told last week they would ship but now who knows. I'm just waiting 
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Posted: 11/21/2016 8:01:59 AM EDT
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I did not read that. I was told last week they would ship but now who knows. I'm just waiting Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Called Fostech this morning for an update - the first Echo shipped last week to the patent holder the design was based on. They are currently building triggers & setting them aside, 200 are assembled & ready to ship... the hold-up is they are waiting for the clam-shell packaging to arrive. I neglected to ask when this packaging was scheduled to be delivered but was told my pre-order from 03/30 will be in my hands in December. I specifically asked if their ATF letter covers the final design & was told it does. A copy of the letter will be included w/ each trigger. The rep I spoke w/ was very polite, quick to answer all of my questions & was in no rush to get off the phone... seemed like she was shooting straight w/ me. She assured me there are no lingering quality control issues to delay production & that each unit is being tested before shipping. She did not tell me about the package problems. Maybe that is what they were waiting to arrive last week for shipment this week. I was told this week is when shipping would begin. I wonder if they backed off and are saying December due to the packaging? I did not ask about the ATF letter but that's great it covers the current design. I still have not received an email for my final payment. I am paid in full. I think I might call them tomorrow. If you get any new info please report back. Better just a few of us checking in w/ them, getting detailed info & posting updates vs many calling & inundating them w/ repeat questions. She said they were ramping up production personnel numbers as well so they are definitely shorthanded at this time. The more folks they have assembling & packaging vs answering phones, the better. On there Facebook someone saying it won't be ship until January or February I did not read that. I was told last week they would ship but now who knows. I'm just waiting Scroll down to the echo trigger read the comments a couple guys says they got an email from fostech about the release time not sure if it's true or not |
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Posted: 11/21/2016 2:29:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2016 1:19:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey finally got back with me and said I should expect to be contacted in Dec/Jan for my order placed on March 27. |
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Posted: 11/25/2016 11:31:01 PM EDT
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Order #13708
Order Date: 2/14/2016 Still haven't hard anything for a factual shipping date. I think I'm one of the first in line? or should be? |
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Posted: 11/25/2016 11:39:22 PM EDT
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Order #13708 Order Date: 2/14/2016 Still haven't hard anything for a factual shipping date. I think I'm one of the first in line? or should be? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Order #13708 Order Date: 2/14/2016 Still haven't hard anything for a factual shipping date. I think I'm one of the first in line? or should be? I ordere on 1/31/2016. I emailed them last week and they said We will contact you before we ship to confirm shipping address and for balance for the deposit shortly
Your order should ship November / December |
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Posted: 11/25/2016 11:46:35 PM EDT
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I ordere on 1/31/2016. I emailed them last week and they said Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Order #13708 Order Date: 2/14/2016 Still haven't hard anything for a factual shipping date. I think I'm one of the first in line? or should be? I ordere on 1/31/2016. I emailed them last week and they said We will contact you before we ship to confirm shipping address and for balance for the deposit shortly
Your order should ship November / December OK, keeping fingers crossed! :) thanks! |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 3:42:34 AM EDT
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So... as is usual with Fostech.... they are (yet again, for the Umth time) moving the release date? How unusual
IMHO, this company has lost ALL credibility. They do not update purchasers (and remain "dark" here), they NOW punish cancellations (per 20% fee. Glad I cancelled mine long ago), and have changed their release date no less than 5 times already. If that's a company you want to do business with, all the more power to you. I'll NEVER order anything of theirs again (as I don't respect THEM, nor their actions, nor their lack of honesty/integrity after all this). I'll add again, that I had to send multiple emails to them to cancel, and the only reason they finally did, was because I threatened legal action against them. While it may wind up being a great product (if actually/eventually released), their final product (IMHO) means nothing since they took the shady/deceptive road to get there. I'll not do business with them EVER. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 8:07:28 AM EDT
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So... as is usual with Fostech.... they are (yet again, for the Umth time) moving the release date? How unusual
IMHO, this company has lost ALL credibility. They do not update purchasers (and remain "dark" here), they NOW punish cancellations (per 20% fee. Glad I cancelled mine long ago), and have changed their release date no less than 5 times already. If that's a company you want to do business with, all the more power to you. I'll NEVER order anything of theirs again (as I don't respect THEM, nor their actions, nor their lack of honesty/integrity after all this). I'll add again, that I had to send multiple emails to them to cancel, and the only reason they finally did, was because I threatened legal action against them. While it may wind up being a great product (if actually/eventually released), their final product (IMHO) means nothing since they took the shady/deceptive road to get there. I'll not do business with them EVER. They didn't respond to my email and message too. I was on a conference call with my credit card company and fostech got it cancel with out any fee got the check in less then a week |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:14:23 PM EDT
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Yikes.
Franklin armory it is. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 12:53:07 PM EDT
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Yikes. Franklin armory it is. I've been following this thread from the beginning, same with Franklin Armory. I bought the BFS III a few weeks ago. I have been holding out for the Fostech, but I just can't find it in me to buy one of their triggers with all of the release date changes. Oh, the cancellation policy change didn't help their cause either in my book. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:33:54 PM EDT
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I've been following this thread from the beginning, same with Franklin Armory. I bought the BFS III a few weeks ago. I have been holding out for the Fostech, but I just can't find it in me to buy one of their triggers with all of the release date changes. Oh, the cancellation policy change didn't help their cause either in my book. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yikes. Franklin armory it is. I've been following this thread from the beginning, same with Franklin Armory. I bought the BFS III a few weeks ago. I have been holding out for the Fostech, but I just can't find it in me to buy one of their triggers with all of the release date changes. Oh, the cancellation policy change didn't help their cause either in my book. I haven't put any money down, and won't until a shippable product is available. I really like this trigger as designed, and would love to buy one , as long as I can pay now, and receive it in 4 days. Hell, not even an early bird discount to entice. |
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Posted: 11/26/2016 1:42:47 PM EDT
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Yikes. Franklin armory it is. Franklin armory has 10% off code cyber |
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Posted: 11/27/2016 12:31:30 PM EDT
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I too canceled my order for the ECHO, for all the reasons previously stated by other members, and I received all of my money back, ALL of it, by going through my credit card company. It took sending in some electronic information, printed from Fostech's own web page and FB page, as well as copies of all of the complaints from this particular thread, but in the end, the issue has been resolved, and I am out nothing, but learned a valuable lesson, and like others on this forum, Fostech will never receive any of my business in the future. The thing that irritates me the most is the endorsement of all the youtube stars for this product, and they are still endorsing the product. That takes a little more respect and credibility away from these folks for their lack of due diligence before so publicly claiming that this company is worth doing business with over this particular product. Anyway........enough griping about this, it is over for me. I wish everyone else the best of luck getting your product.
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Posted: 11/28/2016 9:19:34 PM EDT
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Oh but wait, it gets better. Fostech just blocked me from sending them messages for asking a single question about my order. I tried sending them a second message about the order, which they have already taken my money for, and I got this...
This is the worst company I have ever dealt with. Their business practices are deplorable. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 9:55:37 PM EDT
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Oh but wait, it gets better. Fostech just blocked me from sending them messages for asking a single question about my order. I tried sending them a second message about the order, which they have already taken my money for, and I got this... http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2808/Kgnlaq.png This is the worst company I have ever dealt with. Their business practices are deplorable. Damn, that's pretty bad. I'd be contacting my CC company after that. All I'll add to this thread is that the guys over at Franklin Armory were great people. I ordered a gen II trigger from them right when they first came out, and sent them my lower to do the install. Every time I called their phone number someone answered, I was updated at every step of the process, and wasn't fed BS answers about wait/ship times. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 10:04:50 PM EDT
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I ordered my Fostech on 8/7 and I just ordered a Franklin Armory... we'll see which one gets here first
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Posted: 11/28/2016 10:10:08 PM EDT
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Damn, that's pretty bad. I'd be contacting my CC company after that. All I'll add to this thread is that the guys over at Franklin Armory were great people. I ordered a gen II trigger from them right when they first came out, and sent them my lower to do the install. Every time I called their phone number someone answered, I was updated at every step of the process, and wasn't fed BS answers about wait/ship times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh but wait, it gets better. Fostech just blocked me from sending them messages for asking a single question about my order. I tried sending them a second message about the order, which they have already taken my money for, and I got this... http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2808/Kgnlaq.png This is the worst company I have ever dealt with. Their business practices are deplorable. Damn, that's pretty bad. I'd be contacting my CC company after that. All I'll add to this thread is that the guys over at Franklin Armory were great people. I ordered a gen II trigger from them right when they first came out, and sent them my lower to do the install. Every time I called their phone number someone answered, I was updated at every step of the process, and wasn't fed BS answers about wait/ship times. It's funny. I ordered a binary trigger and an echo trigger at the same time in July. One trigger I have in hand, and the other is vaporware. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 10:18:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh but wait, it gets better. Fostech just blocked me from sending them messages for asking a single question about my order. I tried sending them a second message about the order, which they have already taken my money for, and I got this... http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2808/Kgnlaq.png This is the worst company I have ever dealt with. Their business practices are deplorable. Wow, that's.... well deplorable sums it up accurately. I'm holding out hope that I will have mine in December/January as I have been assured. If Feb gets here & I still don't have it.... I'll likely eject as well. |
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Posted: 11/28/2016 11:48:31 PM EDT
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Oh but wait, it gets better. Fostech just blocked me from sending them messages for asking a single question about my order. I tried sending them a second message about the order, which they have already taken my money for, and I got this... http://imageshack.com/a/img921/2808/Kgnlaq.png This is the worst company I have ever dealt with. Their business practices are deplorable. I'd do like robsguns did, call the CC company and cancel the charge before it's to late. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 5:33:42 AM EDT
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Just got an reply from Judd Foster!
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Posted: 11/30/2016 10:57:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf that's the case, we should start seeing user reports anytime now. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 11:34:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2016 11:39:08 AM EDT
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If that's the case, we should start seeing user reports anytime now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If that's the case, we should start seeing user reports anytime now. We'll see. They also confirmed they were shipping 2 weeks ago. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 1:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm still skeptical about this just because they have reported this before. I'm also skeptical because the email was sent to someone under the name of "Big Popa" haha |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 1:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI was told by Judd they were headed out the door today. Once I have it I'll post pics and start the reviews.. yes reviews.. 
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Posted: 11/30/2016 2:02:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told by Judd they were headed out the door today. Once I have it I'll post pics and start the reviews.. yes reviews.. Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told by Judd they were headed out the door today. Once I have it I'll post pics and start the reviews.. yes reviews.. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 3:00:14 PM EDT
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Judd sent me an email a few minutes ago saying he would call me shortly.
I put my deposit down January 21. (I'm hoping shortly means today). G. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 3:20:46 PM EDT
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Sounds like good news. Checking emails now.......................
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Posted: 11/30/2016 3:26:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like good news. Checking emails now....................... |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 3:46:14 PM EDT
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I wonder how many they are going to be able to pump out. With as long as we've had to wait, you'd think they'd have a ton of these made up. Order on 4/11/16. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 4:36:31 PM EDT
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Ordered 4/10/16 here
I was told December or January for ship date. |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 5:38:26 PM EDT
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Let's hope they're actually shipping and not just putting out "we're shipping now" to shut us up. I received this email yesterday when inquiring about an update:
We are in the process of shipping the Echo Trigger initial orders.
We are releasing the orders via order by date. You will be contacted before shipment to confirm shipping address and to collect balance of payment. FOSTECH P: 812-445-4028 F: 812-445-4019 [email protected] We'll see.... |
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Posted: 11/30/2016 7:23:44 PM EDT
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Ordered 6/17.. I'm in till I get my paws on one. Wasn't expecting one till Dec at the earliest. Unhappy with lack of updates though and certainly understand the frustration of those who ordered much earlier.
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Posted: 11/30/2016 8:54:14 PM EDT
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I'm still skeptical about this just because they have reported this before. I'm also skeptical because the email was sent to someone under the name of "Big Popa" haha Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm still skeptical about this just because they have reported this before. I'm also skeptical because the email was sent to someone under the name of "Big Popa" haha I love it when you call me big papa Siri |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 6:50:26 AM EDT
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Lots of responses on their Facebook page as of this morning, look at comments on various posts.. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 7:40:55 AM EDT
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That looks promising.
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Posted: 12/1/2016 8:00:02 AM EDT
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After approval letter
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:11:43 AM EDT
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After approval letter https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15250916_1211599612266422_6595570150692640206_o.jpg 3 year old letter. No mention of the trip for the carrier. That letter sounds like the approval for a BFS without trip, like the Franklin. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 11:18:58 AM EDT
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3 year old letter. No mention of the trip for the carrier. That letter sounds like the approval for a BFS without trip, like the Franklin. Yeah, that letter describes the function of the franklin very well. I sent an email to Fostech yesterday and got a reply this morning. They stated they are shipping the first units out now and will contact me when my order comes up for final payment. |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 4:02:53 PM EDT
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3 year old letter. No mention of the trip for the carrier. That letter sounds like the approval for a BFS without trip, like the Franklin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After approval letter https://scontent.flas1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/15250916_1211599612266422_6595570150692640206_o.jpg 3 year old letter. No mention of the trip for the carrier. That letter sounds like the approval for a BFS without trip, like the Franklin. If you look inside the packaging with the selector there is something is that is similar to the the "trip sear" (called the trigger locking mechanism) we saw on the video images that were released. 
If I am reading this correctly the letter is for the Hawbaker design but on facebook fostech has an opinion letter from someone that worked with the ATF techonlogies branch saying that the "trigger locking mechanism" mod to prevent hammer follow does not make it a MG. No real ATF letter on the new version, which is just like Franklin armory BFS gen II and gen III trigger. That is if I am reading it correctly. At lest there is a real ATF letter for the Hawbaker original design. 
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