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Posted: 2/6/2016 9:28:38 PM EDT
Picked up a Colt Expanse M4 (CE1000) today and wanted to share some pictures. Box content: PMAG, manual, chamber flag, lock      Barrel stamping looks like it's engraved.  Uses a different trigger.  The M4 stock uses a "shinier" plastic. (LE6920 top, Expanse bottom)  4U486 is P&S cage code. Grip also has a shinier plastic. (LE6920 left, Expanse right)  "O" forge and doesn't have "C" stamp.   Bolt carrier is FA but doesn't have the "C" stamp. (Expanse top, LE6920 bottom)  Bolt carrier appears to be chrome lined.  Gas key staked (Expanse left, LE6920 right)  Bolt MPC (LE6920 left, Expanse right)   Feed ramps (LE6920 left, Expanse right)  Has the "4" and "S" stamps on the barrel extension. I noticed that instead of the gray coating found in the 6920, it's more of a smooth black/purple coating.  Barrel profile is thicker (LE6920 left, Expanse right)  I couldn't find a date stamp on the barrel. Buffer isn't H/H2.  Hand guards uses single heat shields.  |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 9:43:06 PM EDT
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Thanks for the comparison. Have you shot it yet?
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:24:57 PM EDT
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Awesome pics and comparison, thanks! It's interesting that the bolt carrier and upper aren't stamped with the "C". I wonder if those parts are contracted out? The lower looks like a standard 6920 lower, just with a different FCG. If you don't mind, what did you pay for it?
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the comparison. Have you shot it yet? |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:35:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome pics and comparison, thanks! It's interesting that the bolt carrier and upper aren't stamped with the "C". I wonder if those parts are contracted out? The lower looks like a standard 6920 lower, just with a different FCG. If you don't mind, what did you pay for it? |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:37:48 PM EDT
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Is that a QR code above the SAFE selector marking?
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:43:59 PM EDT
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Can you get a shot of the gas rings around the bolt?
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:45:55 PM EDT
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Is that a QR code above the SAFE selector marking? Yup, see : https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/685837_New_Colt_Barrel_Markings__No_C______No_keyhole_on_lower_and_a_new_QR_code_instead_.html |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:00:06 PM EDT
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Is that a QR code above the SAFE selector marking? Yup, see : https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/685837_New_Colt_Barrel_Markings__No_C______No_keyhole_on_lower_and_a_new_QR_code_instead_.html Remington is doing the same thing on their guns. My new marlin 336Y came with one on the receiver. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you get a shot of the gas rings around the bolt?  |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:28:25 PM EDT
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it?
No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:32:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:33:06 PM EDT
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Is that a QR code above the SAFE selector marking? the 6920 i got last summer has a QR code. it contains the model number and serial number. all other markings all over are as usual. nothing omitted or extra. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the 6920 i got last summer has a QR code. it contains the model number and serial number. all other markings all over are as usual. nothing omitted or extra. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is that a QR code above the SAFE selector marking? the 6920 i got last summer has a QR code. it contains the model number and serial number. all other markings all over are as usual. nothing omitted or extra. I believe the QR code contains Colt's cage code and serial number. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:51:15 PM EDT
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The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 3:37:25 AM EDT
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 3:47:17 AM EDT
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lets hope that in time this will pass. I can see a run on all things colt prior to this new shit.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 3:52:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. If Colt Defense were to establish a subsidiary, (companies do it all the time [sic]) it would have to be a bare minimum DBA or LLC which costs $$. I'm not defending Colt nor its intentions. Find me a 6920 today for $850 please. Colt establishes a MSRP and it's up to individual retailers to set their own price tag. Will it be competitive with S&W's Sport II? Time will tell... |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 4:33:53 AM EDT
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If Colt Defense were to establish a subsidiary, (companies do it all the time [sic]) it would have to be a bare minimum DBA or LLC which costs $$. I'm not defending Colt nor its intentions. Find me a 6920 today for $850 please. Colt establishes a MSRP and it's up to individual retailers to set their own price tag. Will it be competitive with S&W's Sport II? Time will tell... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. If Colt Defense were to establish a subsidiary, (companies do it all the time [sic]) it would have to be a bare minimum DBA or LLC which costs $$. I'm not defending Colt nor its intentions. Find me a 6920 today for $850 please. Colt establishes a MSRP and it's up to individual retailers to set their own price tag. Will it be competitive with S&W's Sport II? Time will tell... Hence why Colt cut some small features instead of establishing a subsidiary. Make a budget model with a few less small features so you can sell it at a lower profit margin to get into the lower priced market while having a way to justify the higher cost of the main line keeping it's higher profit margin. Companies also often sell their product to another brand which it's sold under at a reduced price so they can keep their own brand priced higher. There's several sites that have the 6920s with hydro dipped Magpul furniture listed as low as $750-$800, and according to slickguns some were in stock as recently as a few weeks ago. Though currently you have to catch them in stock, as with most Colts and some other brands. Likely going to take some time to catch an Expanse in stock as well. There's OEM models for $800 or less if you look around. The Expanse and Sport II MSRP are pretty close, and I've seen the Sport II for under $700. The Expanse will likely be close to MSRP for a while just due to the brand name. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 4:36:52 AM EDT
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Can you add the FA?
The lower seems marked "M4 Carbine" is that correct? |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 5:00:05 AM EDT
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Noticed it has the "F" FSB has the bayonet lug which was NOT shown at SHOT or on line.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 5:01:32 AM EDT
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Noticed it has the FSB has the bayonet lug which was NOT shown at SHOT or on line. CD I noticed that too. It's also weird that it has the Colt extension and barrel with weird engraving, but the shot show pics had a (Remington?) Barrel. This gun is full of WTF, but I need that lower. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 5:04:21 AM EDT
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I noticed that too. It's also weird that it has the Colt extension but doesn't appear to be a Colt barrel. This gun is full of WTF, but I need that lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noticed it has the FSB has the bayonet lug which was NOT shown at SHOT or on line. CD I noticed that too. It's also weird that it has the Colt extension but doesn't appear to be a Colt barrel. This gun is full of WTF, but I need that lower. What's special about the expanse lower except for the QR code? |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 5:06:22 AM EDT
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What's special about the expanse lower except for the QR code? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Noticed it has the FSB has the bayonet lug which was NOT shown at SHOT or on line. CD I noticed that too. It's also weird that it has the Colt extension but doesn't appear to be a Colt barrel. This gun is full of WTF, but I need that lower. What's special about the expanse lower except for the QR code? Nothing, I just need the lower. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 5:25:50 AM EDT
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Having the plug instead of the forward assist doesn't bother me that much; but man they could've at least put a dust cover on.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 5:52:33 AM EDT
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The more I look at it, the "kluger" it gets. I also just want the lower.
This said, it seems and OK deal for the price. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 6:27:24 AM EDT
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Is the forward assist plug removable?
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Posted: 2/7/2016 7:21:33 AM EDT
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Is the forward assist plug removable? I'm sure it is. Wouldn't make sense for it not to be. Just a normal upper without parts installed to cut costs. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:14:25 AM EDT
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The "O" forge marked upper receiver. The only upper receivers I've seen that are marked as such are AO Precision receivers.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:19:05 AM EDT
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Does Colt make any non-castrated lowers for the peasants?
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Posted: 2/7/2016 9:44:51 AM EDT
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Looks like the Colt Match Hammer/Trigger set up. Enjoy!
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Posted: 2/7/2016 10:29:57 AM EDT
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Does Colt make any non-castrated lowers for the peasants? No, but Colt Competition did. 
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Posted: 2/7/2016 11:48:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's special about the expanse lower except for the QR code? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Noticed it has the FSB has the bayonet lug which was NOT shown at SHOT or on line. CD I noticed that too. It's also weird that it has the Colt extension but doesn't appear to be a Colt barrel. This gun is full of WTF, but I need that lower. What's special about the expanse lower except for the QR code? New 6920 lowers have the QR code too. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 11:50:48 AM EDT
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Yep, in for the lower at $700 for a clone build.
Wouldn't mind that P&S stock; goes with my P&S rail. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 12:09:15 PM EDT
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Might pick one up just for the lower. Not sure.
They could make a killing if they would just sell complete lowers. 
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Posted: 2/7/2016 12:28:34 PM EDT
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The only thing I like about that rifle is the barrel profile.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 12:56:12 PM EDT
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That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. Say 5K manufactured at who knows how much per hour they are paying. That adds up in a final cost expense outlay. One saves say $.4.50 per, at manufacturing cost probably more, for forward assist & ejection door. That's $22,500 could be channeled elsewhere in the gun business. Not sure about you. If i can save $20K + on the manufacturing side, it's a done deal. That number doesn't include labor either. Dollar here, dollar there. It all adds up |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 1:04:56 PM EDT
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Noticed it has the FSB has the bayonet lug which was NOT shown at SHOT or on line. CD I noticed that too. It's also weird that it has the Colt extension but doesn't appear to be a Colt barrel. This gun is full of WTF, but I need that lower. What's special about the expanse lower except for the QR code? New 6920 lowers have the QR code too. FN also started putting this on the military M4 & M-16A4 late last year. No more sticker on the mag well. . |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 11:26:40 AM EDT
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Is the upper Teflon coated on the inside? What is the diameter of the barrel under the hand guards? If they made their chrome lined barrels like that it would be much better than the M4 profile. Your bolt is better than mine!
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Posted: 2/8/2016 11:59:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is the upper Teflon coated on the inside? What is the diameter of the barrel under the hand guards? If they made their chrome lined barrels like that it would be much better than the M4 profile. Your bolt is better than mine! It's not the gray coating, it's something else this time. I don't have tools to properly measure the barrel. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:11:51 PM EDT
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Looks like the Colt Match Hammer/Trigger set up. Enjoy! What kind of trigger is it? It seems odd for colt to be putting something like that in a budget gun |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:13:34 PM EDT
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It's not the gray coating, it's something else this time. I don't have tools to properly measure the barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is the upper Teflon coated on the inside? What is the diameter of the barrel under the hand guards? If they made their chrome lined barrels like that it would be much better than the M4 profile. Your bolt is better than mine! It's not the gray coating, it's something else this time. I don't have tools to properly measure the barrel. You can measure the circumference of the barrel by putting a piece of tape or paper around the barrel, marking it, and measuring it with a ruler. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 4:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 4:29:25 PM EDT
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That's what I was thinking. I thought the whole point of not including the DC and FA on budget guns was to save steps and cost in making the upper. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. Yeah this gun has weird written all over it. Looks to be decent quality, but the mix-match of good lower, good FCG, strange barrel, shot show pics had a remington barrel, no bayo lug, forward assist hole has a plug in it, etc. Just a fucking weird gun for Colt to sell. If I could just get the lower by itself for cheap I'd be happy. OP- does the expanse have a 4 position or 6 position receiver extension? |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 5:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Say 5K manufactured at who knows how much per hour they are paying. That adds up in a final cost expense outlay. One saves say $.4.50 per, at manufacturing cost probably more, for forward assist & ejection door. That's $22,500 could be channeled elsewhere in the gun business. Not sure about you. If i can save $20K + on the manufacturing side, it's a done deal. That number doesn't include labor either. Dollar here, dollar there. It all adds up Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. Say 5K manufactured at who knows how much per hour they are paying. That adds up in a final cost expense outlay. One saves say $.4.50 per, at manufacturing cost probably more, for forward assist & ejection door. That's $22,500 could be channeled elsewhere in the gun business. Not sure about you. If i can save $20K + on the manufacturing side, it's a done deal. That number doesn't include labor either. Dollar here, dollar there. It all adds up |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 5:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP- does the expanse have a 4 position or 6 position receiver extension? 4 position. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 5:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can measure the circumference of the barrel by putting a piece of tape or paper around the barrel, marking it, and measuring it with a ruler.  |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 5:27:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadt I don't care if they put the parts in a ziploc bag and throw them in the box for the end user to install; having the holes in the receiver but no parts reminds me of the blanked-off radio face and A/C vents in an old fleet truck. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 11:20:12 PM EDT
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That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. The Sport II does not have a chrome lined barrel. |
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Posted: 2/9/2016 1:37:31 AM EDT
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So no forward assist but there is a hole drilled for it? No port door but the hinges are there for it? Is the barrel CL? These really seem like nickle and dime cost savings depending on the cost of the "Colt" forward assist plug. The upper is a standard upper with the forward assist with role pin hole and ejection port hinges. The barrel isn't chrome lined I believe. With manufacturing, you have to account for the cost of labor and time along with the cost of materials. True, I didn't think about that. That's true, but how much labor time does it really cost to install the forward assist instead of a plug, and install a dust cover? My guess is the cost savings is mostly the barrel and some contracted or leftover ban era parts like the FCG. The forward assist and dust cover are left off mostly to give people a reason to upgrade to the more expensive models later and give them a budget model without making the other models seem too expensive. Companies do it all the time, sell their products under a different brand cheaper or leave out a few small features so they can keep prices on their main line higher. Frankly can still find 6920s for $850, or the OEM models for not much more than the Expanse. The M&P Sport II has forward assist, dust cover, and chrome lined barrel for under $700. The Sport II does not have a chrome lined barrel. It was originally supposed to, and buds and one or two other dealers still have it listed as chrome lined. It appears S&W decided to change it to the same barrel as the original Sport. Still get forward assist, dust cover, and nitride barrel. |
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