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Posted: 2/5/2016 9:15:13 PM EDT
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IBTKACF
In before the KAC fanbois. 
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Posted: 2/5/2016 9:19:53 PM EDT
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Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC? No. |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 10:07:29 PM EDT
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The lower is half the reason I love KAC....
Save your money and enjoy the fruits of both companies. Seriously. I love my BCM ELWF KMR and I love my Mod 1's.... |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 10:12:30 PM EDT
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The lower is half the reason I love KAC.... Save your money and enjoy the fruits of both companies. Seriously. I love my BCM ELWF KMR and I love my Mod 1's.... Yeah, I am leaning on keeping the bcm upper, and putting some cash towards a t2 instead. |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 10:25:54 PM EDT
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As a bcm fan, I can't see where a knights upper is night and day better, especially vs an elw/kmr upper. I love mine.
But if I had a Knights lower, I'd sure as shit put a Knights upper on it. something about matched components is appealing to me. |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 10:40:33 PM EDT
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It is a better upper in every way other than price. No one who has used both or at least understands the system differences will say otherwise. However, you have hit the point of diminishing returns unless you want it for the sake of having a KAC factory upper.
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Posted: 2/5/2016 10:45:03 PM EDT
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I first got an SR-30 lower because it was on sale. And it just grew from there.
If you already have the ELW barrel, I'd keep it and just save your money for the KAC because selling it, you'd lose some money. Where are you in CA? I have an SR-30 lower with an SR-15 mod 2 upper. If you're nearby, you're free to try it out and see if it's something that you would like |
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Posted: 2/5/2016 11:04:48 PM EDT
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I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy.
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Posted: 2/5/2016 11:11:55 PM EDT
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Love my BCM KMR ELW upper.
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Posted: 2/5/2016 11:14:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Keep the BCM upper.
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Posted: 2/6/2016 12:03:53 AM EDT
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I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy. you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 1:10:26 AM EDT
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As much as I like KAC gear, I'd keep the BCM and just save up for the SR15 upper. When you get that, you can then save up for a BCM lower and can have a back up/beater rifle.
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Posted: 2/6/2016 1:10:36 AM EDT
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Negligent Discharge.
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Posted: 2/6/2016 2:05:16 AM EDT
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I have an SR-15 mod 2 upper on a KAC SR-30 but if I was in your position I probably would not sell the BCM because it's already a good upper.
If you were starting out from scratch I would say yes go get the KAC upper. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 2:22:29 AM EDT
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I own a KMR upper and a few Mod 1 uppers. The KAC uppers have to be experienced to be appreciated, and even then, some people won't get it.
I love my Mod 1 uppers and my BCM KMR upper is my dedicated beater gun. I really don't trust the KMR rail or Keymod. The Mod 2 MLOK is a thing of beauty. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 2:30:03 AM EDT
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As much as I like KAC gear, I'd keep the BCM and just save up for the SR15 upper. When you get that, you can then save up for a BCM lower and can have a back up/beater rifle. That was going to be my suggestion as well. No reason to ditch the BCM upper - especially not in this market. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 3:05:35 AM EDT
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you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy. you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine In San Diego. You? |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 10:01:45 AM EDT
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Yes.
Better bolt life. Softer shooting, and you'll have a KAC rifle with your SR-30 lower. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 7:18:04 PM EDT
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In San Diego. You? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I already have a 16" kmr elw-f so if I were to get the kac upper, the 14.5 kmr upper would have to go. Now I'm leaning towards the kac upper again lol. Having a matched set would sure be sexy. you around southern California? you're free to shoot mine In San Diego. You? South LA/OC. If you make it up sometime, you're free to shoot it as much as you want. Or maybe I'll head down there sometime soon. Either way, offer stands. Then again, an hour and a halfish drive each way might be worthwhile to help you decide if you want to drop the coin |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Dont mess with your current rifle.
When finances allow, pick up a complete SR15 Mod 2 16" and call it a day. Every AR shooter should have a good 14.5 (which you have) and a good 16". |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 8:26:05 PM EDT
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Dont mess with your current rifle. When finances allow, pick up a complete SR15 Mod 2 16" and call it a day. Every AR shooter should have a good 14.5 (which you have) and a good 16". In the commie state of California, I cannot buy sr15 complete rifles. I already have a 16" elw-f w/ kmr, so if I were to unload the 14.5 elw-f I'd still be good to go. I think I'm going to get an sr15 upper and just call it a day. If I can get close to 700 for this bcm upper with a bolt and charging handle, and pinned mod 1 comp I'll be able to piece together the rest of the funds. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 8:44:59 PM EDT
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I would get the SR-15 upper and sell the BCM upper.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 1:31:34 PM EDT
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So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK
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Posted: 2/7/2016 1:36:23 PM EDT
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That was going to be my suggestion as well. No reason to ditch the BCM upper - especially not in this market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As much as I like KAC gear, I'd keep the BCM and just save up for the SR15 upper. When you get that, you can then save up for a BCM lower and can have a back up/beater rifle. That was going to be my suggestion as well. No reason to ditch the BCM upper - especially not in this market. Sold it for a little bit more than I paid luckily, because of that free bcg they were giving away at one time. So much for this crap market. The guy still saved himself some cash though so hes stoked. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 4:48:43 PM EDT
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So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK Congrats on the sale! You're going to love the KAC. The first day I got my KAC, I let my friend shoot it who had a 14.5" ELF-W with KMR and their pinned comp. He shot mine and stated he shouldn't have done that, because now he likes mine so much better. But then again, mine also has a pinned MAMS, so it wasn't stock |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 8:58:12 PM EDT
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Congrats on the sale! You're going to love the KAC. The first day I got my KAC, I let my friend shoot it who had a 14.5" ELF-W with KMR and their pinned comp. He shot mine and stated he shouldn't have done that, because now he likes mine so much better. But then again, mine also has a pinned MAMS, so it wasn't stock Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK Congrats on the sale! You're going to love the KAC. The first day I got my KAC, I let my friend shoot it who had a 14.5" ELF-W with KMR and their pinned comp. He shot mine and stated he shouldn't have done that, because now he likes mine so much better. But then again, mine also has a pinned MAMS, so it wasn't stock Yeah, mine shoots pretty flat as well. Was shooting a Federal XM193 5.56 
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Posted: 2/8/2016 3:32:11 PM EDT
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So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK I might be interested in your MBUS Pro sights if they're still available. Shoot me an email with a price. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 9:47:46 PM EDT
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I might be interested in your MBUS Pro sights if they're still available. Shoot me an email with a price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So I made my decision. Decided to list my KMR upper on Calguns for $750. Told myself if it sold for that I would get the KAC. It sold within 15 minutes lol. Looks like I will have a complete KAC rifle sooner than later. Know anybody that wants a new set of Magpul MBUS pro sights? LMK I might be interested in your MBUS Pro sights if they're still available. Shoot me an email with a price. ended up unloading them to the guy that bought the upper |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 7:38:49 PM EDT
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet?
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Posted: 2/22/2016 8:02:56 PM EDT
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Ok so I bit the bullet and bought myself an SR 30 KAC lower. I got the SR30 because in this shitty state of California we cannot have SR 15 lowers as they are on the list of banned components we can't have here. The SR30 is a loop hole that I exploited. Long story short, I really want to make this a complete KAC rifle when it's all said and done. I can sell my BCM gear and some other stuff towards a KAC MOD2 SR15 upper, but I am not sure if it's really worth the $1500-1700 dollar price tag. What do you guys think? Just keep my BCM KMR ELW-F upper, or go full on KAC? Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC? Thanks in advance guys, your expertise is appreciated greatly. If you're asking the question......you already know the answer! |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 8:40:47 PM EDT
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 8:41:19 PM EDT
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If you're asking the question......you already know the answer! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok so I bit the bullet and bought myself an SR 30 KAC lower. I got the SR30 because in this shitty state of California we cannot have SR 15 lowers as they are on the list of banned components we can't have here. The SR30 is a loop hole that I exploited. Long story short, I really want to make this a complete KAC rifle when it's all said and done. I can sell my BCM gear and some other stuff towards a KAC MOD2 SR15 upper, but I am not sure if it's really worth the $1500-1700 dollar price tag. What do you guys think? Just keep my BCM KMR ELW-F upper, or go full on KAC? Do those KAC uppers really shoot that much better to justify the price and hassle getting the KAC? Thanks in advance guys, your expertise is appreciated greatly. If you're asking the question......you already know the answer! indeed. Will have the upper here wednesday. Then gonna get myself a mams for it. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:16:09 PM EDT
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It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible. I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago. Went with all mod 1s. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:18:33 PM EDT
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Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible. I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago. Went with all mod 1s. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible. I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago. Went with all mod 1s. I beg to differ on that. Every other shop had the upper I bought listed for 1700-1720. I picked it up on avguns for 1550. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:30:30 PM EDT
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I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago. Went with all mod 1s. Was SO Tempted to pick that up when you had it listed......could always use a spare. Sadly had a few projects going on at the time and was tapped out. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 9:59:47 PM EDT
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For me personally, I'd have to get a KAC upper or sell the lower and replace it with BCM. I just can't stand having a lower from company A and an upper from company B.
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:02:38 PM EDT
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For me personally, I'd have to get a KAC upper or sell the lower and replace it with BCM. I just can't stand having a lower from company A and an upper from company B. yeah going all KAC on this rifle. Now I need to pick up that mams, micro qd mount, micro battery cover etc lol |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:27:05 PM EDT
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I beg to differ on that. Every other shop had the upper I bought listed for 1700-1720. I picked it up on avguns for 1550. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Avguns prices aren't that great, but they aren't terrible. I couldn't unload a bnib Mod2 for $1850 a few months ago. Went with all mod 1s. I beg to differ on that. Every other shop had the upper I bought listed for 1700-1720. I picked it up on avguns for 1550. Oh, that is pretty good. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 10:48:27 PM EDT
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AVGuns is about 20 minutes from my house. Same here. They have a nice shop and have been welcoming. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 11:26:39 PM EDT
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Any reason you went with the 14.5 vs the 16? Both use the same gas system, right?
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It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 11:28:27 PM EDT
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Any reason you went with the 14.5 vs the 16? Both use the same gas system, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Just to have a little shorter rifle. I love how a 14.5" barrled rifle with a keymod rail feels. Super light. It was also replacing a 14.5" bcm so figured just get another. Just a pain in the ass having to find someone competent enough to install that mams on there. I think I am going to send it off to ayan at boltcarrier.com |
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Posted: 2/22/2016 11:42:50 PM EDT
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Just to have a little shorter rifle. I love how a 14.5" barrled rifle with a keymod rail feels. Super light. It was also replacing a 14.5" bcm so figured just get another. Just a pain in the ass having to find someone competent enough to install that mams on there. I think I am going to send it off to ayan at boltcarrier.com Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hate you because now I'm debating of doing the same thing. Did you get the sr15 yet? It comes on wednesday. Bought the last 14.5 mod 2 available on the internet, and saved 150 in doing so. AVguns has killer prices on KAC uppers. Just to have a little shorter rifle. I love how a 14.5" barrled rifle with a keymod rail feels. Super light. It was also replacing a 14.5" bcm so figured just get another. Just a pain in the ass having to find someone competent enough to install that mams on there. I think I am going to send it off to ayan at boltcarrier.com I wouldn't let anyone short of Ayan or Marvin Pitts pin a MAMs on a KAC barrel. Ayan's much faster than Marvin, though. |
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Posted: 2/23/2016 11:21:02 PM EDT
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Does a pinned mams or 3 prong flash hider make the 14.5 legal?
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Posted: 2/23/2016 11:48:05 PM EDT
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I know the MAMS does for sure, no 100% positive on the FH though.
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Posted: 2/24/2016 12:57:01 AM EDT
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Does a pinned mams or 3 prong flash hider make the 14.5 legal? I believe it does. Ayan offers on his site the option to pin the 14.5" and remove from NFA for free. Also, Operation Parts states on there site: "Note: The factory 3 prong flash hider can be pinned to bring the upper to a non-NFA 16" barrel length. We can also swap the flash hider our for other muzzle devices before shipping. Just contact us to discuss your needs." |
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