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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
I'm about to have a spare 11" 6.8 barrel laying around.... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/chin.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Here's a picture of our law enforcement carbine that's based on this platform called the ARES MPR (Modular Patrol Rifle). -Being tested by some ban-state LE agencies and other LE that are being "demilitarized" by their local governments... Key features that are different from a stock ARES SCR: Chrome lined 16.25" barrel, 1:9 RHT, Optional 10.5" SBR available Std M4 upper receiver with case deflector and EP cover & sling swivel in place of forward assist Bolt catch Iron Sights Optional Diamondhead VRS hand guard Standard ARES MPR http://i62.tinypic.com/se6aev.jpg SBR version of ARES MPR with 10.5" barrel http://i58.tinypic.com/2clctu.jpg I'm about to have a spare 11" 6.8 barrel laying around.... http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/chin.gif Now THAT would be nice! |
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Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
The price is a reflection of it being designed and made in the United States of America, from American materials, by American citizens; -just like all ARES Defense products! Sure, if we outsourced our products to China and other places like many other companies in the AR business do, then our prices would be lower. -But then again so would our quality and that's just not our American style... PS: Thanks to all of you who support United States of America and American manufacturing! View Quote I think the prevailing question is, why is the BHO not included, as the vast majority of buyers will want it? I understand that the design of the rear of the lower may prevent the standard aircraft drill operation for the BHO roll pin, hence the modular design, I think some people are just feeling like they are being nickeled and dimed for features that are included on every other lower out there. |
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I hope the forum rules don't nix outside linking, as I thought it might be prudent to share a link to our Facebook page (from 9 months ago) which details some of the reasons why the ARES SCR bolt catch is optional. I could copy the text herein but it might be a bit lengthy and wouldn't include the pictures. Everything's done for a reason and it's not all profit driven...
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Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
I hope the forum rules don't nix outside linking, as I thought it might be prudent to share a link to our Facebook page (from 9 months ago) which details some of the reasons why the ARES SCR bolt catch is optional. I could copy the text herein but it might be a bit lengthy and wouldn't include the pictures. Everything's done for a reason and it's not all profit driven... ARES SCR Bolt Catch details View Quote All good points, I've read that post previously, it should answer some others' questions here, it just seems that the answer to the rest of these questions would be to include the BHO and the plug in the base kit and let the user decide without having to order a separate component. I'm sure some would also like the option to lock the BHO into the lower with a pin or a set screw to prevent it from falling out during cleaning or when packed up while broken down. You don't want to have to go digging through the bottom of your backpack for a gun part every time I hope you take these suggestions as constructive feedback, I love the concept and I'm sure I'll end up with one at some point. |
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Nevermind... got it....
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Yeah you remove the two screws in the buttstock and then remove the "cap" on the buffer tube. It was on there so tight I almost had to use a breaker bar to get it off. After the cap is off the butt stock just slide off.
ETA: For those interested, you need a 1/8 allen wrench to remove the butt pad, and a 3/4" socket to remove the buffer tube cap. |
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@gadgetguy1288,
how well do you like the height of the scope on yours. It looks like you've got it as low as possible. Can you get a decent cheek weld like this? It seems the standard-height AR-15 mount is about 3/4" too high for me. |
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@gadgetguy1288 and others who may be considering installing a spacer between the butt stock and receiver,
The ARES SCR recoil system is designed to bottom out the recoil guide rod into the stock tube nut that holds it all together. This approach minimizes the effects of the carrier coming into contact with the inside face of the lower receiver during full recoil. By placing a spacer such as a sling adapter between the receiver and stock, it will space the stock tube nut further out by the thickness of the spacer and the carrier will accordingly end its rearward recoil travel directly onto the inside face of the lower receiver. We can't guarantee what long term effect this alteration may have or any potential damage to the lower as it wasn't designed and intended to be fully loaded in that fashion, but we wanted to inform users of the potential consequences of altering the recoil design in this manner. I'm obliged to say that we don't recommend altering the recoil system that way and at minimum, we would expect finish marring. Otherwise, great looking rifle and thank you for your business! |
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Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
@gadgetguy1288 and others who may be considering installing a spacer between the butt stock and receiver, The ARES SCR recoil system is designed to bottom out the recoil guide rod into the stock tube nut that holds it all together. This approach minimizes the effects of the carrier coming into contact with the inside face of the lower receiver during full recoil. By placing a spacer such as a sling adapter between the receiver and stock, it will space the stock tube nut further out by the thickness of the spacer and the carrier will accordingly end its rearward recoil travel directly onto the inside face of the lower receiver. We can't guarantee what long term effect this alteration may have or any potential damage to the lower as it wasn't designed and intended to be fully loaded in that fashion, but we wanted to inform users of the potential consequences of altering the recoil design in this manner. I'm obliged to say that we don't recommend altering the recoil system that way and at minimum, we would expect finish marring. Otherwise, great looking rifle and thank you for your business! View Quote If one were to adapt a stock or space it out, they should remove the equivalent thickness from inside the stock under the nut so that it can thread down to it's original length, correct? Also, there are less obtrusive ways to add a QD socket to a standard hollow rifle/shotgun stock http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/qd-micro-mount/ |
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
If one were to adapt a stock or space it out, they should remove the equivalent thickness from inside the stock under the nut so that it can thread down to it's original length, correct? Also, there are less obtrusive ways to add a QD socket to a standard hollow rifle/shotgun stock http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/qd-micro-mount/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
@gadgetguy1288 and others who may be considering installing a spacer between the butt stock and receiver, The ARES SCR recoil system is designed to bottom out the recoil guide rod into the stock tube nut that holds it all together. This approach minimizes the effects of the carrier coming into contact with the inside face of the lower receiver during full recoil. By placing a spacer such as a sling adapter between the receiver and stock, it will space the stock tube nut further out by the thickness of the spacer and the carrier will accordingly end its rearward recoil travel directly onto the inside face of the lower receiver. We can't guarantee what long term effect this alteration may have or any potential damage to the lower as it wasn't designed and intended to be fully loaded in that fashion, but we wanted to inform users of the potential consequences of altering the recoil design in this manner. I'm obliged to say that we don't recommend altering the recoil system that way and at minimum, we would expect finish marring. Otherwise, great looking rifle and thank you for your business! If one were to adapt a stock or space it out, they should remove the equivalent thickness from inside the stock under the nut so that it can thread down to it's original length, correct? Also, there are less obtrusive ways to add a QD socket to a standard hollow rifle/shotgun stock http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/qd-micro-mount/ I like that QD socket idea better...thanks for the link. |
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Soooooo...
Sporter or Monte Carlo stock |
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Neither, Sporter Short. http://www.ironsightllc.com/uploads/3/2/4/9/3249251/5611869_orig.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Soooooo... Sporter or Monte Carlo stock Neither, Sporter Short. http://www.ironsightllc.com/uploads/3/2/4/9/3249251/5611869_orig.jpg Wheres that at? I was just creepin on Midwestgunworks.com, and don't see that one |
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Giving this thought because:
- Merica - freedoms - 2A - "Get both" I might pop a current upper on that lower, call it good. get a new upper, because Merica. |
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Originally Posted By Jdude:
This complaint didn't only miss the short bus, it was hit by the short bus on the way to the crayon eater's convention. NorCal_LEO/Site issued nickname: "The Law" |
Just found this thread...
Yes, I definitely want a lower. I was slow to like the AR platform because of its setup...all the ergonomic features actually felt odd to me and I still prefer a standard rifle. This might be just the ticket. Gets me a standard style rifle in .223 without getting a mini-14. |
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Originally Posted By minion42:
Gets me a standard style rifle in .223 without getting a mini-14. View Quote Gets you a standard rifle in any of a few dozen chamberings without getting a Mini-14. The Mini-6.8 was shortlived and there's no Mini-6.5. There's a brand-new Mini-300, but if you pick that one there's no easy way to change chambering. Not to confuse y'all with the "other Ares", but any thought to offering 80% SCR lowers? For folks who both want privacy and also live behind the Curtain? |
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@factionfx The scope works perfectly for me. I am using the Larue Tactical Low rings(I believe they are the 719). They are the perfect height.
@Ares_defense I hadn't thought about that but I guess I'll go ahead and order the IWC QD socket and get that installed, while I am waiting for my BCG to get back from ASA. |
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Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Wheres that at? I was just creepin on Midwestgunworks.com, and don't see that one View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Soooooo... Sporter or Monte Carlo stock Neither, Sporter Short. http://www.ironsightllc.com/uploads/3/2/4/9/3249251/5611869_orig.jpg Wheres that at? I was just creepin on Midwestgunworks.com, and don't see that one I got it here: http://www.usgunsource.com/firearms-long-guns/39368-ares-defense-systems-scr-semi-automatic-lower-556nato-223rem-black-sporter.html?cmdSubmit=Find&cmdSubmit_y=0&cmdSubmit_x=0&keywords=ares |
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Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Wheres that at? I was just creepin on Midwestgunworks.com, and don't see that one View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By slowkota1:
Soooooo... Sporter or Monte Carlo stock Neither, Sporter Short. http://www.ironsightllc.com/uploads/3/2/4/9/3249251/5611869_orig.jpg Wheres that at? I was just creepin on Midwestgunworks.com, and don't see that one https://www.ironsightsfirearms.com/ares-scr-lower-rcvr-assy-ss-blk-p-207644.html?zenid=c69abc12528a75b55cc2499abce8a7a9 |
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Originally Posted By minion42:
Just found this thread... Yes, I definitely want a lower. I was slow to like the AR platform because of its setup...all the ergonomic features actually felt odd to me and I still prefer a standard rifle. This might be just the ticket. Gets me a standard style rifle in .223 without getting a mini-14. View Quote The AR-15 IS the standard style rife. |
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Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
The AR-15 IS the standard style rife. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Originally Posted By minion42:
Just found this thread... Yes, I definitely want a lower. I was slow to like the AR platform because of its setup...all the ergonomic features actually felt odd to me and I still prefer a standard rifle. This might be just the ticket. Gets me a standard style rifle in .223 without getting a mini-14. The AR-15 IS the standard style rife. Mmmmmm....I hear what you're saying, but not if you look at what is on the street now and what has been produced historically. But yes, the AR pattern/style will be increasingly common barring any "common sense" legislation. |
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So should I go with the sporter short or monte carlo if I just want to run an ampoint t1 on it? I'm assuming sporter short?
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Originally Posted By tdp916:
So should I go with the sporter short or monte carlo if I just want to run an ampoint t1 on it? I'm assuming sporter short? View Quote I'm still curious what other stocks can be adapted... Did I read that most any Rem 1100 stock can be adapted as long as the tube dimensions are not changed? |
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Originally Posted By tdp916: So should I go with the sporter short or monte carlo if I just want to run an ampoint t1 on it? I'm assuming sporter short? View Quote maybe Ares can post a pic of both, one on top of the other.
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Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Here's one from a customer in 6.8 with a VLTOR CAS-V handguard. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Medicfrost/hog68.jpg~original View Quote oohhhh... that might be the best CAS-V application yet. I like that. |
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Originally Posted By PriapusMaximus:
oohhhh... that might be the best CAS-V application yet. I like that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PriapusMaximus:
Originally Posted By Ares_Defense:
Here's one from a customer in 6.8 with a VLTOR CAS-V handguard. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Medicfrost/hog68.jpg~original oohhhh... that might be the best CAS-V application yet. I like that. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Castillo:
pros: Very quick and easy handling. Takes all AR magazines Takes all AR uppers Cons: Can not access magazine release with shooting hand Does not have bolt release/lock installed from factory AR height sights are a no-go. View Quote AR does all that and more. Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. |
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Originally Posted By minion42:
Mmmmmm....I hear what you're saying, but not if you look at what is on the street now and what has been produced historically. But yes, the AR pattern/style will be increasingly common barring any "common sense" legislation. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By minion42:
Originally Posted By FightingHellfish:
Originally Posted By minion42:
Just found this thread... Yes, I definitely want a lower. I was slow to like the AR platform because of its setup...all the ergonomic features actually felt odd to me and I still prefer a standard rifle. This might be just the ticket. Gets me a standard style rifle in .223 without getting a mini-14. The AR-15 IS the standard style rife. Mmmmmm....I hear what you're saying, but not if you look at what is on the street now and what has been produced historically. But yes, the AR pattern/style will be increasingly common barring any "common sense" legislation. Must be a regional thing. If its not hunting season or "sighting in" and you go to a range, or a desert/forest shooting area in Arizona you'll see a lot more ARs than all traditional guns combined. |
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Originally Posted By bigkracka:
AR does all that and more. Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigkracka:
Originally Posted By Castillo:
pros: Very quick and easy handling. Takes all AR magazines Takes all AR uppers Cons: Can not access magazine release with shooting hand Does not have bolt release/lock installed from factory AR height sights are a no-go. AR does all that and more. Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. Because some of us like variety. I can't spend my whole life just eating vanilla ice cream. |
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Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Because some of us like variety. I can't spend my whole life just eating vanilla ice cream. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Medicfrost:
Originally Posted By bigkracka:
Originally Posted By Castillo:
pros: Very quick and easy handling. Takes all AR magazines Takes all AR uppers Cons: Can not access magazine release with shooting hand Does not have bolt release/lock installed from factory AR height sights are a no-go. AR does all that and more. Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. Because some of us like variety. I can't spend my whole life just eating vanilla ice cream. This. I'm not in a ban state but that seems like an awesome way to get the perfect hunting auto-loader. I'm anxious to see someone make an improved trigger, then my dreams of an SCR with side charge in 6.5 Grendel would be complete. I really don't see this as a gimmick product for ban states, although they have got to be crazy to get a mini-14 over this. |
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Originally Posted By SCW:
This. I'm not in a ban state but that seems like an awesome way to get the perfect hunting auto-loader. I'm anxious to see someone make an improved trigger, then my dreams of an SCR with side charge in 6.5 Grendel would be complete. I really don't see this as a gimmick product for ban states, although they have got to be crazy to get a mini-14 over this. View Quote Put another way, already in the first year of production we have folks in non-ban states buying these, but how often do you ever see folks in non-ban states buying things like BulletButton, hammerhead grips, those weird bent-angle non-PG stocks, or the Kydex wraps that block your grip? The latter things are all clumsy compromises that people really only use to get around an unpleasant law, while the SCR gets around the law but also has some virtues and appeal of its own. I fully grant, the BulletButton and some of the weird grips have an advantage in that they allow the user to base the rifle on a standard AR-15 receiver, which is cheaper and has way more aftermarket compatibility than the SCR, so those are awkward but not necessarily illogical choices. Just that nobody is using those devices because they actually enjoy their inherent qualities. |
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Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Put another way, already in the first year of production we have folks in non-ban states buying these, but how often do you ever see folks in non-ban states buying things like BulletButton, hammerhead grips, those weird bent-angle non-PG stocks, or the Kydex wraps that block your grip? The latter things are all clumsy compromises that people really only use to get around an unpleasant law, while the SCR gets around the law but also has some virtues and appeal of its own. View Quote If the first bolded part is in reference to the FRS-15, then it is by no means an awkward compromise. Sure, the first time that I saw it all I could think was "UG-GLY" and the first time that I held it I thought that it was odd. However, after using it for about an hour, it was totally comfortable to handle. The thing is just fine as a tool ... but definitely not pretty. That said, I have been interested in the SCR since before it came out and not just for compliance. There are a lot of interesting rifles that can be built with them, all while maintaining most of the modularity of the original system. Once they are popular enough that companies develop stocks and triggers to swap out, they will add their own bit of modularity. |
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Originally Posted By bigkracka:
AR does all that and more. Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bigkracka:
Originally Posted By Castillo:
pros: Very quick and easy handling. Takes all AR magazines Takes all AR uppers Cons: Can not access magazine release with shooting hand Does not have bolt release/lock installed from factory AR height sights are a no-go. AR does all that and more. Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. You'd probably be stunned if you knew just how many folks in your state (TX) are buying this rifle... But all that Ford vs. Chevy, Right vs. left type stuff notwithstanding, a very large segment of our customer base for the ARES SCR don't live in any ban state, they just prefer traditional stock over pistol grips. Then there are those who travel over the road a lot and they can take the ARES SCR virtually anywhere they go without giving up performance, risking arrest or having to rely on a less capable rifle. DC and NYC to name a few of the cities where these are reportedly sold, kept, and traveled through. And most folks haven't yet figured out a way to drive to the free states of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, etc. without going through New York, New Jersey, Canada, etc. to get there... |
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I'm thinking about using one of these with my .458 socom. What recoil pads are available for these stocks?
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Short of commie states, don't see the point. But hey, whatever twirls your beanie. View Quote Most "compliance" mods are just that. It's an AR rifle with some funny looking parts slapped on. The Ares receiver and bcg design goes beyond a simple modification and puts in the category of an AR hybrid rifle. |
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I'm glad the lowers are available separately now. I'd really like to use one for a custom build.
Side note: I live in Florida. Does Ares Defense have a showroom where I can buy stuff in person? |
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Since the stock is supposedly a modified remington stock has anyone tried the Remington supercell pad to see if its a direct fit?
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
I like the E&L Slip-On: <a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/EampL%20Recoil%20Pad_zpsy3kimumy.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/EampL%20Recoil%20Pad_zpsy3kimumy.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By coldblue:
Originally Posted By factionfx:
Originally Posted By glenn_r:
I'm thinking about using one of these with my .458 socom. What recoil pads are available for these stocks? I have installed a limbsaver 10544 "grind to fit" on my SCR. Turned out great. I like the E&L Slip-On: <a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/EampL%20Recoil%20Pad_zpsy3kimumy.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/EampL%20Recoil%20Pad_zpsy3kimumy.jpg</a> The beauty of a slip on is that you can easily remove it so you piece will fit its nitch in your safe if you have an overall length issue. Also, you can move it from rifle to rifle. And on my A2 stocks, it makes them very, very non-slip. I have their small size one on a .44 Mag. lever action with a steel butt-plate, and the slip-on helps make this a sweeter shooter. |
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So. Any plans on a .308 version? Would love this for my PA-10. Maybe not enough uniformity but it's nice to dream.
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Originally Posted By TwoNin9r:
So. Any plans on a .308 version? Would love this for my PA-10. Maybe not enough uniformity but it's nice to dream. View Quote I've been wondering about this too, and AD seems (understandably) not overtly discussing it. I'm kind of two minds when I ponder the idea:
Just kinda pondering the arguments both ways. |
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Originally Posted By glenn_r:
Standing by...not a fan of slip-on pads, and would rather not have to grind a pad down. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By glenn_r:
Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
Since the stock is supposedly a modified remington stock has anyone tried the Remington supercell pad to see if its a direct fit? Standing by...not a fan of slip-on pads, and would rather not have to grind a pad down. Well the holes line up right but it's not lined up right I the scr stock. |
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Any word yet on availability of wooden, or other, aftermarket stocks? Any rumbling yet of an aftermarket developing now that the rifle has been out for a year and appears to be selling well? Though given, most aftermarket AR stuff applies without modification, so I suppose it's mostly trigger options, stocks, and a few other small bits that call for a specifically-designed part.
That reminds me, does the SCR use an AR-standard trigger guard? Will aftermarket ones like Magpul just drop right in? |
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Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Any word yet on availability of wooden, or other, aftermarket stocks? Any rumbling yet of an aftermarket developing now that the rifle has been out for a year and appears to be selling well? Though given, most aftermarket AR stuff applies without modification, so I suppose it's mostly trigger options, stocks, and a few other small bits that call for a specifically-designed part. That reminds me, does the SCR use an AR-standard trigger guard? Will aftermarket ones like Magpul just drop right in? View Quote From the pictures in this thread, it appears the trigger guard is integral to the receiver body. It looks more like a conventional (non-AR) trigger guard found on bolt action rifles or shotguns. |
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