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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:08:25 AM EDT
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adjustable gas block, lighter buffer.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:21:45 AM EDT
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try .223 pressure ammo. when shooting M193 and regular .223 back to back there is a noticeable difference in recoil.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:27:32 AM EDT
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I forgot to mention also I'm using a full auto BCG, so with that along with my buffer could that be why its hammering the hell out of my shoulder?
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:27:35 AM EDT
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:37:31 AM EDT
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block. Your asinine comment doesn't even render a valid response. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 11:45:53 AM EDT
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block. Your asinine comment doesn't even render a valid response. Take it easy. There wasn't anything in that comment that was asinine. The man was simply stating facts. reducing recoil is one thing, but if 60 rounds of 5.56 is causing you that much pain you are doing something wrong on a fundamental level and that was the crux of his comment. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:01:59 PM EDT
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Take it easy. There wasn't anything in that comment that was asinine. The man was simply stating facts. reducing recoil is one thing, but if 60 rounds of 5.56 is causing you that much pain you are doing something wrong on a fundamental level and that was the crux of his comment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block. Your asinine comment doesn't even render a valid response. Take it easy. There wasn't anything in that comment that was asinine. The man was simply stating facts. reducing recoil is one thing, but if 60 rounds of 5.56 is causing you that much pain you are doing something wrong on a fundamental level and that was the crux of his comment. he may not be doing something wrong on a fundamental level, he may actually have some underlying issue inside his shoulder. which is why a doctor's consult may not be a bad idea if the issue continues. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:03:08 PM EDT
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Could be where on your shoulder you're tucking the stock. If it's adjustable try moving it in/out and see if you can find a more comfortably location.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:06:03 PM EDT
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I've shot 60 rounds and more from a .308 - an HK91 - and it will bang your shoulder up some. A 5.56 is 25-30 pounds LESS recoil per shot, 100 rounds is very little in comparison.
Something IS wrong if 60 rounds of 5.56 is causing an issue. Describe what kind of stock, how you are holding it, standing or prone, squared up or Olympic, what you are wearing, etc. My 6.8 will leave marks shooting on a warm day in a t-shirt, the ol HK91 was much less worse in a winter jacket hunting. Details do make a difference. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:10:49 PM EDT
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My shoulder after shooting 20 rounds of 45-70 would like a word with you.
Get a 20 inch upper with rifle length gas system. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:26:59 PM EDT
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Something is very, very wrong if 2 mags of 5.56 are making your shoulder hurt. I don't think there is anything you could do to the rifle that would help enough to fix the problem. My guess is that something isn't right with your shoulder--have you been to a doctor over it? I would start there.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:47:59 PM EDT
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i knew a guy that drilled out his gas port on a 14.5 barrel for some unknown reason. that F'er felt like i was shooting a ak47 which after 60 rounds with a steel folding stock might cause some discomfort if you are small framed.
what barrel? new or used? might want to pull it apart and check the gas port diameter with a micrometer or machinist drill bits. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:50:19 PM EDT
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block. Your asinine comment doesn't even render a valid response. At least you have the right attitude when asking others for help, others that know more than you do. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 12:50:56 PM EDT
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5.56 kicks like a little girl poking your shoulder. More info is needed lol.
Side note: Is everyone online touchy anymore? I miss the old internet from decades past. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:07:03 PM EDT
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I would have to agree with seeing a doctor/ physical therapist or get some shooting instruction or post pics on here with how you shoot.
Definitely could be a shoulder problem or fundamentals... likely not the rifle....even though you make some mods to make it recoil less. I would visit sprinco ' s website and get a heavier spring and buffer. Use the heaviest buffer you can ...while still maintaining reliably with the weakest power ammo you shoot. Or you can change to an adjustable gas block and limit gas... essentially does the same thing as the spring/buffer combo but is probably easier to get it dialed in. Offers a wider range of adjustment. I would try a blue spring and red spring with your current buffer. If you need to reduce recoil slightly more go with h2 buffer. the h2 is slightly heavier than the spikes t2... or go with spikes t3 which is Slightly heavier than spikes t2. http://www.sprinco.com/tactical.html |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:21:09 PM EDT
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if you have low body fat and no pad on the back of your stock and are not holding the rifle properly, the recoil will have a different effect on you. i'd consider these as possible cause.
as for how your AR is configured, just saying it has hard recoil doesn't help us diagnose it, it may be functioning fine. but if it is excessively gassed, you could get an adjustable gas block or get a heavier buffer(H3) and/or a stronger spring(like Sprinco Red). and stop being a lil girl 
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:21:29 PM EDT
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block. Your asinine comment doesn't even render a valid response. At least you have the right attitude when asking others for help, others that know more than you do. Exactly... it is either a pre-existing physical problem that the recoil is aggravating or there is something terribly wrong with your technique. I am not trying to be a dick... i'm not calling you a little girl... i'm just saying that 60 rounds of 556 wouldn't cause physical discomfort no matter your build or pain tolerance. It is possible you are shooting with the stock directly on your clavicle or you possibly are placing the stock too far over on your deltoid (can't see this hurting too much tho). I was shooting my AK (underfold) with part of the stock resting on my clavicle one time and it definitely wasn't comfortable so I know that is a possibility. Another option would be that you have a shoulder injury that you have not addressed and shooting has caused that previous injury to become painful. Thats basically it. You asked for opinions so you will get them... some will be rather blunt but thats part of it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:43:32 PM EDT
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Suggestions? Go see a doctor. Get some training to adjust and diagnose your technique. 60 rounds hurting your shoulder shouldn't be addressed by changing your gas block. Your asinine comment doesn't even render a valid response. Lighten up or go elsewhere. That was a totally unacceptable response. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 1:59:24 PM EDT
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I'd start with a $10 M4 rubber butt pad if you have a collapsible stock. All my ARs have them.
Then I'd go to a heavier buffer if you don't plan to do any work to the gas system, an extra power buffer spring may also help. My 14.5" middy runs great with a 5.4oz buffer & Wolff xtra power spring. There are also some aftermarket stocks with recoil management, I think Mako makes one of them. Stepping down to .223 ammo is also a good suggestion. And although not the cheapest fix, going to an adjustable gas block and a light BCG will probably yield the best results. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:09:15 PM EDT
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Check your stance. I see way too many people with just the bottom corner of the stock on their shoulder. Square up and tuck the stock into your shoulder.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:11:59 PM EDT
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Before anyone says it I'm not being a little girl that can't handle the recoil. I have a 13.7 barrel with a KX5, I'm using a Spikes T-2 buffer and after 60 rounds my shoulder feels like hell. what recommendations do you guys have about reducing the recoil. I forgot to mention I was shooting XM193i ammo. Thanks in advance for any suggestions Are you by chance contacting the collar bone? I've had shoulder surgery and cortisone shots since 2000 and have never been sore from shooting an AR-style firearms. These include semi and full-auto, 10"-20" bbl systems. Everything from shooting for groups to 90rd mag dumps in 5.56. No problem with .308 AR style firearms either. Maybe try shooting from the other shoulder and see how that goes. Good Luck, Keith |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:21:21 PM EDT
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Double tap, sorry.
Keith |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:50:28 PM EDT
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My 10.5 w/KX3 and T-2 is like butter. Have others shot your rifle and experienced the same painful recoil?
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:54:05 PM EDT
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All I'm asking is for different ways in reducing the recoil for the gun. there is nothing wrong with my shoulder or technique in shooting. I shoot cmp rifle matches, use a 300 weatherby for hunting, and shoot a couple hundred rounds a week shooting skeet. this is the first AR that I have built and just wondering if I built it correctly. Also I was shooting off a bench and I have a Magpul MOE mil spec stock
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:56:44 PM EDT
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I think you guys hurt the OP's feelings and he left.
Seriously though something doesn't seem right. I have heard of people with iron deficiency that get really bad bruising and pain after small round counts. Has anyone else fired your rifle and noticed a difference in recoil or soreness? |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 2:59:07 PM EDT
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What stock do you have on it right now?
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:02:34 PM EDT
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i knew a guy that drilled out his gas port on a 14.5 barrel for some unknown reason. that F'er felt like i was shooting a ak47 which after 60 rounds with a steel folding stock might cause some discomfort if you are small framed. what barrel? new or used? might want to pull it apart and check the gas port diameter with a micrometer or machinist drill bits. it's a new noveske 13.7 infidel with their low profile gas block |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:02:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:04:53 PM EDT
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I would be very surprised to see an over gassed Infidel. I suppose it is possible
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:06:15 PM EDT
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Magpul Moe
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:17:22 PM EDT
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I would have to agree with seeing a doctor/ physical therapist or get some shooting instruction or post pics on here with how you shoot. Definitely could be a shoulder problem or fundamentals... likely not the rifle....even though you make some mods to make it recoil less. I would visit sprinco ' s website and get a heavier spring and buffer. Use the heaviest buffer you can ...while still maintaining reliably with the weakest power ammo you shoot. Or you can change to an adjustable gas block and limit gas... essentially does the same thing as the spring/buffer combo but is probably easier to get it dialed in. Offers a wider range of adjustment. I would try a blue spring and red spring with your current buffer. If you need to reduce recoil slightly more go with h2 buffer. the h2 is slightly heavier than the spikes t2... or go with spikes t3 which is Slightly heavier than spikes t2. http://www.sprinco.com/tactical.html thank you |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:19:30 PM EDT
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Pretty sure a heavier buffer and not a lighter one would help with felt recoil. Also, I run a Wolff extra power spring on my .458 Socom.
Just for reference I could probably shoot close to 60 rounds through my Socom and not be as bad off as you make yours sound. It's also got an ACE stock with 1" pad on it though. Edit: I was posting this in response to ArmedFerret suggesting a lighter buffer. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:26:54 PM EDT
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could it possibly just be the spring itself. I can bottom out the buffer and spring just with one finger with not using much force at all
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:35:37 PM EDT
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could it possibly just be the spring itself. I can bottom out the buffer and spring just with one finger with not using much force at all That doesnt sound right at all. I just tried pushing mine in on my regular carbine and it is pretty hard. Also I couldn't even bottom it out all the way with my pointer finger, yes I have smaller hands 
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:40:01 PM EDT
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I bought it as a package from joeboboutfitters.com it came with the end plate, castle nut, buffer tube, spring and buffer
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:43:53 PM EDT
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I would try a Wolff spring and Spikes H2 buffer at least.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:47:57 PM EDT
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I'm going to try a different spring first, then try a different buffer. thanks for the input, does this mean I shouldn't go see a doctor or pay for training lessons lol
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:57:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going to try a different spring first, then try a different buffer. thanks for the input, does this mean I shouldn't go see a doctor or pay for training lessons lol |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 3:57:55 PM EDT
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Honestly, even if the spring and buffer do help it still shouldn't be giving you the kind of discomfort you were explaining. Seeing a doctor might not be a horrible idea. You should be able to shoot hundreds upon hundreds of rounds without discomfort out of any .223.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 4:04:42 PM EDT
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Honestly, even if the spring and buffer do help it still shouldn't be giving you the kind of discomfort you were explaining. Seeing a doctor might not be a horrible idea. You should be able to shoot hundreds upon hundreds of rounds without discomfort out of any .223. In all honesty I shoot about 100-200 rounds through my shotgun in a night with no problems at all. I just think its not the right spring and buffer for the rifle. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 4:30:06 PM EDT
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In all honesty I shoot about 100-200 rounds through my shotgun in a night with no problems at all. I just think its not the right spring and buffer for the rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly, even if the spring and buffer do help it still shouldn't be giving you the kind of discomfort you were explaining. Seeing a doctor might not be a horrible idea. You should be able to shoot hundreds upon hundreds of rounds without discomfort out of any .223. In all honesty I shoot about 100-200 rounds through my shotgun in a night with no problems at all. I just think its not the right spring and buffer for the rifle. A 12 gauge shotgun that weighs 7.5lbs firing a 1 oz target load (at 1180 fps) has about 17 ft/lbs of recoil energy. An AR weighing the same should have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 ft/lbs (with a 55-62gr at ~3100). I'm thinking it's not the rifle, man. And if you can shoot the shotgun comfortably, then its not a medical issue with your shoulder. So it comes back to your technique. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 4:30:52 PM EDT
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If you want to reduce recoil you have 2 places to reduce recoil.
#1 The movement of the action. As the bolt and buffer slam back and fourth its going to transfer the energy to the rest of the gun and to you. Use light weight parts with an adjustable gas block. That way you can turn down the gas and not cause the lighter parts to increase in speed of movement. Less weight moving the same speed or slower = less energy transferred to you. #2 The gas leaving the barrel pushes back on the barrel. Kind of like how a rocket engine works. If you put an effective muzzle break on the barrel it will redirect the energy. It has flat baffles that give the exiting gas to deflect off of. When its defected off the flat baffles it pulls the gun forward which off sets the gas pushing the gun back in to your shoulder. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:01:45 PM EDT
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i knew a guy that drilled out his gas port on a 14.5 barrel for some unknown reason. that F'er felt like i was shooting a ak47 which after 60 rounds with a steel folding stock might cause some discomfort if you are small framed. what barrel? new or used? might want to pull it apart and check the gas port diameter with a micrometer or machinist drill bits. it's a new noveske 13.7 infidel with their low profile gas block That's odd, my infidel upper was one of the softest shooting upper I've owned, there might be an issue with it, maybe the gas port was opened up to large by mistake by noveske. unless you action spring is completely worn out(no resistance), those are the only two possibilities (given your stated experience with other firearms is ruling out you being a girl )
measure your action spring, when they get shorter, that is an indication that they are worn. spring should be close to 11" long. I'd replace the action spring first(as thats the cheapest) and see what that does, if it's still excessive then you might consider having the gas block pulled and measuring the port and contacting noveske with your findings. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:02:35 PM EDT
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A 12 gauge shotgun that weighs 7.5lbs firing a 1 oz target load (at 1180 fps) has about 17 ft/lbs of recoil energy. An AR weighing the same should have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 ft/lbs (with a 55-62gr at ~3100). I'm thinking it's not the rifle, man. And if you can shoot the shotgun comfortably, then its not a medical issue with your shoulder. So it comes back to your technique. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly, even if the spring and buffer do help it still shouldn't be giving you the kind of discomfort you were explaining. Seeing a doctor might not be a horrible idea. You should be able to shoot hundreds upon hundreds of rounds without discomfort out of any .223. In all honesty I shoot about 100-200 rounds through my shotgun in a night with no problems at all. I just think its not the right spring and buffer for the rifle. A 12 gauge shotgun that weighs 7.5lbs firing a 1 oz target load (at 1180 fps) has about 17 ft/lbs of recoil energy. An AR weighing the same should have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 ft/lbs (with a 55-62gr at ~3100). I'm thinking it's not the rifle, man. And if you can shoot the shotgun comfortably, then its not a medical issue with your shoulder. So it comes back to your technique. I was shooting off a bench at my club that wasn't the greatest, I have shot off of it before with larger calibers with no problems. Like I said earlier in the post I think it might be the buffer spring just because of how easy it was to push the whole way down. The whole reason I started this topic because I have shot AR's in the past with them not recoiling as bad as the one I just built. |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:08:48 PM EDT
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That's odd, my infidel upper was one of the softest shooting upper I've owned, there might be an issue with it, maybe the gas port was opened up to large by mistake by noveske. unless you action spring is completely worn out(no resistance), those are the only two possibilities (given your stated experience with other firearms is ruling out you being a girl )
measure your action spring, when they get shorter, that is an indication that they are worn. spring should be close to 11" long. just measured it, its about 10.5 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i knew a guy that drilled out his gas port on a 14.5 barrel for some unknown reason. that F'er felt like i was shooting a ak47 which after 60 rounds with a steel folding stock might cause some discomfort if you are small framed. what barrel? new or used? might want to pull it apart and check the gas port diameter with a micrometer or machinist drill bits. it's a new noveske 13.7 infidel with their low profile gas block That's odd, my infidel upper was one of the softest shooting upper I've owned, there might be an issue with it, maybe the gas port was opened up to large by mistake by noveske. unless you action spring is completely worn out(no resistance), those are the only two possibilities (given your stated experience with other firearms is ruling out you being a girl )
measure your action spring, when they get shorter, that is an indication that they are worn. spring should be close to 11" long. just measured it, its about 10.5 |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:12:19 PM EDT
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i knew a guy that drilled out his gas port on a 14.5 barrel for some unknown reason. that F'er felt like i was shooting a ak47 which after 60 rounds with a steel folding stock might cause some discomfort if you are small framed. what barrel? new or used? might want to pull it apart and check the gas port diameter with a micrometer or machinist drill bits. it's a new noveske 13.7 infidel with their low profile gas block That's odd, my infidel upper was one of the softest shooting upper I've owned, there might be an issue with it, maybe the gas port was opened up to large by mistake by noveske. unless you action spring is completely worn out(no resistance), those are the only two possibilities (given your stated experience with other firearms is ruling out you being a girl )
measure your action spring, when they get shorter, that is an indication that they are worn. spring should be close to 11" long. just measured it, its about 10.5 It's at the lower end of the range, I'd replace the action spring first(as thats the cheapest) and see what that does, if it's still excessive then you might consider having the gas block pulled and measuring the port and contacting noveske with your findings. Mistakes happen, that upper is not supposed to have a harsh recoil. or better yet, contact them first before pulling the GB |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:17:03 PM EDT
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It's at the lower end of the range, I'd replace the action spring first(as thats the cheapest) and see what that does, if it's still excessive then you might consider having the gas block pulled and measuring the port and contacting noveske with your findings. Mistakes happen, that upper is not supposed to have a harsh recoil. or better yet, contact them first before pulling the GB Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i knew a guy that drilled out his gas port on a 14.5 barrel for some unknown reason. that F'er felt like i was shooting a ak47 which after 60 rounds with a steel folding stock might cause some discomfort if you are small framed. what barrel? new or used? might want to pull it apart and check the gas port diameter with a micrometer or machinist drill bits. it's a new noveske 13.7 infidel with their low profile gas block That's odd, my infidel upper was one of the softest shooting upper I've owned, there might be an issue with it, maybe the gas port was opened up to large by mistake by noveske. unless you action spring is completely worn out(no resistance), those are the only two possibilities (given your stated experience with other firearms is ruling out you being a girl )
thanks for the info measure your action spring, when they get shorter, that is an indication that they are worn. spring should be close to 11" long. just measured it, its about 10.5 It's at the lower end of the range, I'd replace the action spring first(as thats the cheapest) and see what that does, if it's still excessive then you might consider having the gas block pulled and measuring the port and contacting noveske with your findings. Mistakes happen, that upper is not supposed to have a harsh recoil. or better yet, contact them first before pulling the GB |
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Posted: 3/3/2015 5:18:28 PM EDT
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The 13.7" infidel has midlength gas system, if anything its one of the more UNDERGASSED barrels out there. If youve ever shot you would probably know its one of the lightest recoiling rifles out there. I second the comment that there is something either wrong physically(chronic injury perhaps) and the OP should consult a doctor or there is an issue with buttstock placement/technique.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 6:13:05 PM EDT
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Sounds like a spring issue. You should not be able to push it as easy as you are describing. A stiffer spring will absolutely reduce recoil or a correctly working one. Go with the blue sprinco spring. I'd be surprised if that doesn't fix it. The sprinco ones are made from chrome silicone and will last longer than the cheap ones.
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Posted: 3/3/2015 6:29:25 PM EDT
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I think you guys hurt the OP's feelings and he left.
Seriously though something doesn't seem right. I have heard of people with iron deficiency that get really bad bruising and pain after small round counts. Has anyone else fired your rifle and noticed a difference in recoil or soreness? My fiancé is 5'3" and she shoots my 16" slightly over gassed carbine length all day. most likely something else going on |
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