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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:23:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: is it me or am I sensing a migration from the block II builds back to the Block 1/1.5 builds. If you are - why? Because a classic FSB with the latest doo dads is an awesome mix. Not a true clone but "inspired". I know I've stalked you before with these pics.   |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:24:22 PM EDT
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Weight sucks. That's why.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:25:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Weight sucks. That's why. True that. SOCOM barrel + RIS II is a a pig. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:28:14 PM EDT
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I've been debating for a while on either a PR or Block II upper.
I've decided to go with the FSP RIS II. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:31:31 PM EDT
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Because a classic FSB with the latest doo dads is an awesome mix. Not a true clone but "inspired". I know I've stalked you before with these pics. <a href="http://s619.photobucket.com/user/RussellAthletic/media/IMG_1885_zpsabacbf5a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/IMG_1885_zpsabacbf5a.jpg</a> <a href="http://s619.photobucket.com/user/RussellAthletic/media/IMG_1883_zpsc91a55d0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/IMG_1883_zpsc91a55d0.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is it me or am I sensing a migration from the block II builds back to the Block 1/1.5 builds. If you are - why? Because a classic FSB with the latest doo dads is an awesome mix. Not a true clone but "inspired". I know I've stalked you before with these pics. <a href="http://s619.photobucket.com/user/RussellAthletic/media/IMG_1885_zpsabacbf5a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/IMG_1885_zpsabacbf5a.jpg</a> <a href="http://s619.photobucket.com/user/RussellAthletic/media/IMG_1883_zpsc91a55d0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt275/RussellAthletic/IMG_1883_zpsc91a55d0.jpg</a> Sexy |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been debating for a while on either a PR or Block II upper. I've decided to go with the FSP RIS II. FSP RIS II is cool. KAC MRE would also make for a bad ass build if you could find one. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:34:19 PM EDT
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I am in the middle of one myself. Love them!
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:34:46 PM EDT
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Weight sucks. That's why. True that. SOCOM barrel + RIS II is a a pig. My girl is heavy bitch but I love her to death. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:35:25 PM EDT
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Weight sucks. That's why. This setup: 
Feels about 2-3lbs heavier than this setup: 
I suspect it's more an issue of balance than actual weight, considering the biggest difference is the accessories being mounted closer to the muzzle. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:37:24 PM EDT
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Weight sucks. That's why. I have not put my Block II on the scale yet, but I am guessing 9.5 pounds, easy 
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:38:23 PM EDT
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I've noticed this too, and I like it. There's something about a 14.5 with a KAC RAS that just does it for me.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:39:13 PM EDT
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14.5?
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I am in the middle of one myself. Love them! |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:41:57 PM EDT
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I am in the middle of one myself. Love them! Nope, another 10.3 My 14.5 Colt barrel is going on another A1/C7 setup. Just got the upper, and an A1 stock. I am in search of some skinny handguards, and I am set! |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:43:27 PM EDT
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I did it because of ease of finding parts, and I already have a Block 2ish rifle.
Block 1 
My rifle that fills the role of a Block 2 at probably half the cost: 
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:46:52 PM EDT
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I did it because of ease of finding parts, and I already have a Block 2ish rifle. Block 1 <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg</a> My rifle that fills the role of a Block 2 at probably half the cost: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg</a> Nice. I'm also a big centurion fan |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:54:57 PM EDT
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I did it because of ease of finding parts, and I already have a Block 2ish rifle. Block 1 <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg</a> My rifle that fills the role of a Block 2 at probably half the cost: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg</a> Nice. I'm also a big centurion fan As am I. 
But as far as clones go, I just love the look of the FSP and I don't like the weight bias/balance of the RIS II. I am assembling parts for a PR clone now, and this is my current favorite (I'm beating this pic to death): 
Its also a bit easier to find parts for the Block I style clones. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:56:17 PM EDT
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The DD RIS rails are not being sold in FDE anymore. Unless you can find a used one you are SOL.
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Posted: 2/25/2015 10:57:04 PM EDT
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The DD RIS rails are not being sold in FDE anymore. Unless you can find a used one you are SOL. Or buy a complete upper. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:24:33 PM EDT
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The DD RIS rails are not being sold in FDE anymore. Unless you can find a used one you are SOL. Or buy a complete upper. I was thinking of doing that and parting everything out but the RIS II but I noticed only the 14.5" pinned uppers are available now, no 16" unpinned barrels so at that point I said to to myself that it isn't worth. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:27:42 PM EDT
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And to answer your question, I do believe the balance is not good when you have a bunch of stuff hanging off the end and the balance still sucks, albeit a bit less, even with nothing on the end of the rail.
I used to have just a PEQ at the end of my old Block II was perfect. |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:44:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: is it me or am I sensing a migration from the block II builds back to the Block 1/1.5 builds. If you are - why? I sold the one on the left, and kept the one on the right.  I feel the BlockII works better in a more "recce-ish" role, and the SOCOM barrels are pretty damn accurate.  |
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Posted: 2/25/2015 11:49:42 PM EDT
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I love the block I, PR, and block II equally. Got mad love for the SOPMOD program.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:15:32 AM EDT
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The blockII is more visually appealing but it is noticeably heavier, and for me, it doesn't do anything the 1.5 wont. I sold the one on the left, and kept the one on the right. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qKH93M" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7511/16247198425_b2fa47a395_k.jpg</a> I feel the BlockII works better in a more "recce-ish" role, and the SOCOM barrels are pretty damn accurate. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qkTJWb" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/15977670998_cbfaea7a6f_h.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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is it me or am I sensing a migration from the block II builds back to the Block 1/1.5 builds. If you are - why? I sold the one on the left, and kept the one on the right. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qKH93M" target="_blank">https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7511/16247198425_b2fa47a395_k.jpg</a> I feel the BlockII works better in a more "recce-ish" role, and the SOCOM barrels are pretty damn accurate. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/qkTJWb" target="_blank">https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8677/15977670998_cbfaea7a6f_h.jpg</a> Drooling over your NF. 
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:45:14 AM EDT
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I've used both quite a bit and the Block II is just ridiculous heavy for a general use carbine.
I like a Block 1 or 1.5 with a standard M4 barrel. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:50:11 AM EDT
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As am I. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3690/10344325103_18280b3368_b.jpg But as far as clones go, I just love the look of the FSP and I don't like the weight bias/balance of the RIS II. I am assembling parts for a PR clone now, and this is my current favorite (I'm beating this pic to death): https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/16387691267_0ed17315a6_b.jpg Its also a bit easier to find parts for the Block I style clones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did it because of ease of finding parts, and I already have a Block 2ish rifle. Block 1 <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg</a> My rifle that fills the role of a Block 2 at probably half the cost: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg</a> Nice. I'm also a big centurion fan As am I. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3690/10344325103_18280b3368_b.jpg But as far as clones go, I just love the look of the FSP and I don't like the weight bias/balance of the RIS II. I am assembling parts for a PR clone now, and this is my current favorite (I'm beating this pic to death): https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/16387691267_0ed17315a6_b.jpg Its also a bit easier to find parts for the Block I style clones. Can't get enough of that camo job
And mine, they may not be 100% perfect, but they are damn close and cheaper than going the Block II route. FSB is old school sexy also.  </a>" />
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Posted: 2/26/2015 1:09:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryBut as far as clones go, I just love the look of the FSP and I don't like the weight bias/balance of the RIS II. I am assembling parts for a PR clone now, and this is my current favorite (I'm beating this pic to death):
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/16387691267_0ed17315a6_b.jpg Its also a bit easier to find parts for the Block I style clones. I'm glad you do whore that pic and beat it to death. Badass man. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 2:46:03 AM EDT
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Weight sucks. That's why. I have not put my Block II on the scale yet, but I am guessing 9.5 pounds, easy Well, decided to break out the scale and answer my curiosity. It turns out, the weights are very similar between the "Block 1.5/PR" and the "Block II." Weight of the Block II FSP with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 8.5oz. 
Weight of the Block 1.5/PR with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 4.1oz. 
There are a few differences between the two, accessory wise, which does screw up the weight comparison a little bit, but all in all, only a 4.4oz difference. Sure as shit feels like a lot more. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 9:58:29 AM EDT
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You can keep beating it because I love it.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 10:05:24 AM EDT
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As am I. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3690/10344325103_18280b3368_b.jpg But as far as clones go, I just love the look of the FSP and I don't like the weight bias/balance of the RIS II. I am assembling parts for a PR clone now, and this is my current favorite (I'm beating this pic to death): https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/16387691267_0ed17315a6_b.jpg Its also a bit easier to find parts for the Block I style clones. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I did it because of ease of finding parts, and I already have a Block 2ish rifle. Block 1 <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3353_zpsc31b5a48.jpg</a> My rifle that fills the role of a Block 2 at probably half the cost: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/P8ntblldude/media/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/P8ntblldude/IMG_3325_zpsfd1c6c46.jpg</a> Nice. I'm also a big centurion fan As am I. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3690/10344325103_18280b3368_b.jpg But as far as clones go, I just love the look of the FSP and I don't like the weight bias/balance of the RIS II. I am assembling parts for a PR clone now, and this is my current favorite (I'm beating this pic to death): https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/16387691267_0ed17315a6_b.jpg Its also a bit easier to find parts for the Block I style clones. Keep beating it I love it. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 10:11:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, decided to break out the scale and answer my curiosity. It turns out, the weights are very similar between the "Block 1.5/PR" and the "Block II." Weight of the Block II FSP with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 8.5oz. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8674/16463610640_e9f17cbc5f_b.jpg Weight of the Block 1.5/PR with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 4.1oz. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8678/16464837899_f14fb2e454_b.jpg There are a few differences between the two, accessory wise, which does screw up the weight comparison a little bit, but all in all, only a 4.4oz difference. Sure as shit feels like a lot more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Weight sucks. That's why. I have not put my Block II on the scale yet, but I am guessing 9.5 pounds, easy Well, decided to break out the scale and answer my curiosity. It turns out, the weights are very similar between the "Block 1.5/PR" and the "Block II." Weight of the Block II FSP with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 8.5oz. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8674/16463610640_e9f17cbc5f_b.jpg Weight of the Block 1.5/PR with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 4.1oz. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8678/16464837899_f14fb2e454_b.jpg There are a few differences between the two, accessory wise, which does screw up the weight comparison a little bit, but all in all, only a 4.4oz difference. Sure as shit feels like a lot more. PR balance is much better with the LAM and light closer to the middle. When those accessories are cantilevered out there it becomes a nightmare. I shudder to think of a decked out BII with an NT4/SOCOM on the end... |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:58:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PR balance is much better with the LAM and light closer to the middle. When those accessories are cantilevered out there it becomes a nightmare. I shudder to think of a decked out BII with an NT4/SOCOM on the end... Quote HistoryQuoted: <snip> PR balance is much better with the LAM and light closer to the middle. When those accessories are cantilevered out there it becomes a nightmare. I shudder to think of a decked out BII with an NT4/SOCOM on the end... Might as well sling a 203 under there while you're at it.  |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 12:01:23 PM EDT
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PR balance is much better with the LAM and light closer to the middle. When those accessories are cantilevered out there it becomes a nightmare. I shudder to think of a decked out BII with an NT4/SOCOM on the end... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Weight sucks. That's why. I have not put my Block II on the scale yet, but I am guessing 9.5 pounds, easy Well, decided to break out the scale and answer my curiosity. It turns out, the weights are very similar between the "Block 1.5/PR" and the "Block II." Weight of the Block II FSP with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 8.5oz. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8674/16463610640_e9f17cbc5f_b.jpg Weight of the Block 1.5/PR with an Elcan, ATPIAL-C and Surefire M600U is 9lbs. 4.1oz. https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8678/16464837899_f14fb2e454_b.jpg There are a few differences between the two, accessory wise, which does screw up the weight comparison a little bit, but all in all, only a 4.4oz difference. Sure as shit feels like a lot more. PR balance is much better with the LAM and light closer to the middle. When those accessories are cantilevered out there it becomes a nightmare. I shudder to think of a decked out BII with an NT4/SOCOM on the end... Agreed. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 8:46:48 PM EDT
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No idea, but I'm digging it. I've been considering a retro clone for some time. (C8/723 mutt.)
I might just do a Block I M4 carbine. I'm all stoked because I just learned that the KAC RAS isn't actually banned in CA, because even though it's "banned" by name, it's not a firearm, so it doesn't count.
Might just look for a Canadian/SAS RAS rail. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 8:56:21 PM EDT
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I built a Block 1 because I (personally) don't see/have a need to mount stuff all the way out by the muzzle. Also, balance and cost are important to me.
Also think they look far better. ETA: All that said, if we peasants were allowed SBRs without a tax stamp et al, then I'd cut mine down to Mk18 length in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 9:04:23 PM EDT
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I built a Block 1 because I (personally) don't see/have a need to mount stuff all the way out by the muzzle. Also, balance and cost are important to me. Also think they look far better. I don't know why but my block II balances better for me than my PR did. Granted I don't have a LAM on it (yet )
But it's interesting to me because they both had SOCOM profile bbl's and a M4 RIS/RAS is lighter than a RIS II. Maybe its just the extra rail space that allows it to balance better for me. Pretty weird tho I must admit. |
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Posted: 2/26/2015 10:15:06 PM EDT
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I do love the block 1/1.5 but as far as looks go the block II wins hands down.
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Posted: 2/26/2015 10:21:13 PM EDT
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Not block 1/2 but close to the same thing.
If I only had to have one rifle it would be the mod 0. I don't know why but it just feels right in my hands. 
Block 2 fullsize 
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Posted: 2/26/2015 11:05:09 PM EDT
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After getting both of these done, I hate to say it but, I still prefer my Block I clone. Enough so that I decide to part w/t Block II upper to build a Block 1.5 PR w/t Colt lower.
All that's left of the Block II upper is the 553.
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Posted: 2/27/2015 12:21:13 AM EDT
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I have my mk12 clone. Had a mk18 but weight sucks. No 10" upper should be that hefty.
Only other clone I desire is my m4 from afg 2nd tour. |
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Posted: 2/27/2015 12:37:16 AM EDT
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Try taking a carbine class with a BLOCK II and an ACOG- you will learn to hate them. Heavy ass shitbox setup is what it is. Unless you're a Tier SF dude who gets the setup for free and has 26" biceps there is no reason to own one unless you clone for a range toy.
I know... 
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Posted: 2/28/2015 9:16:20 AM EDT
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For a lot of people the 1.5 feels better in their hands from an ergonomic standpoint. They also probably do not reap the benefits of having a free floated barrel and unobstructed sight picture. If it is a money issue or a pride issue in not wanting to spend ridiculous money on the RIS, I can totally understand.
But honestly I think mostly it is only for looks and its a fad. I might be the only one but that is my honest opinion. I have owned a 1.5, B2, and a CQBR. All that remains is the CQBR. While I do think a 1.5 w/ B2 accessories is a very good looking rifle the 4oz in weight savings is not worth the un-freefloated barrel, the front sight obstruction, lack of rail space, barrel shadow(even worse with a can), or the hot ass barrel burning your clothes or body when rifle is slung in awkward shooting positions(handgun). Its also much easier to obtain a 1.5. Kind if the same reason the MK12 and B2 threads are double the size of the MK18 thread. With all that said I do think it is a very good looking rifle! A girl I know's boyfriend is a CSO and she was showing me pictures of her shooting his issued rifle at a range day they had with their friends and families. It was a fully B2'd out 1.5 with a Socom can, EXPS, PEQ16, SU233, and TD VFG. A very good looking rig! |
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Posted: 2/28/2015 9:28:00 AM EDT
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My Block I and Block IIish (Also a big Centurion fan I own 3 of their rails
 ) I like both setups the same for different reasons. They're both super sexy!
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Posted: 2/28/2015 10:16:10 AM EDT
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because fuckers need to start lifting
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Posted: 2/28/2015 10:24:13 AM EDT
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because fuckers need to start lifting this. +1 |
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Posted: 2/28/2015 11:00:16 AM EDT
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I have both, it's not a huge weight difference but both balance different, especially with accessories further out toward the muzzle.
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Posted: 2/28/2015 11:16:16 AM EDT
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I have both, it's not a huge weight difference but both balance different, especially with accessories further out toward the muzzle. I mount my PEQ behind the gas block like where it would be on a standard RAS, which helps balance it better as its closer to the magazine well/center of gravity of the weapon. |
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Posted: 2/28/2015 6:20:13 PM EDT
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When I did my 10.5 I wanted the RIS II but the weight was a turn off. As stated above a 10.5 shouldn't be heavy.
So I opted for a 10" C4 rail and a H1 instead of an XPS-3 FS18 Mod 1
 DSC_5590 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
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Posted: 2/28/2015 6:28:40 PM EDT
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because fuckers need to start lifting +10. Pull steel and hurt somethin. (Preferably not yourself )
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Posted: 2/28/2015 6:53:47 PM EDT
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For a lot of people the 1.5 feels better in their hands from an ergonomic standpoint. They also probably do not reap the benefits of having a free floated barrel and unobstructed sight picture. If it is a money issue or a pride issue in not wanting to spend ridiculous money on the RIS, I can totally understand. But honestly I think mostly it is only for looks and its a fad. I might be the only one but that is my honest opinion. I have owned a 1.5, B2, and a CQBR. All that remains is the CQBR. While I do think a 1.5 w/ B2 accessories is a very good looking rifle the 4oz in weight savings is not worth the un-freefloated barrel, the front sight obstruction, lack of rail space, barrel shadow(even worse with a can), or the hot ass barrel burning your clothes or body when rifle is slung in awkward shooting positions(handgun). Its also much easier to obtain a 1.5. Kind if the same reason the MK12 and B2 threads are double the size of the MK18 thread. With all that said I do think it is a very good looking rifle! A girl I know's boyfriend is a CSO and she was showing me pictures of her shooting his issued rifle at a range day they had with their friends and families. It was a fully B2'd out 1.5 with a Socom can, EXPS, PEQ16, SU233, and TD VFG. A very good looking rig! The size of the current MK18 thread isn't really an indicator of much since it's on its third iteration. Add in the pages of the previous 2 and it would be over 1,000. As another owner of a 1.5 and B2 I don't think there's much of a difference in weight at all. the 1.5 does balance a little better, but I'm not sure it's even an appreciable difference really. |
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Posted: 2/28/2015 7:16:00 PM EDT
[#50]
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The size of the current MK18 thread isn't really an indicator of much since it's on its third iteration. Add in the pages of the previous 2 and it would be over 1,000. As another owner of a 1.5 and B2 I don't think there's much of a difference in weight at all. the 1.5 does balance a little better, but I'm not sure it's even an appreciable difference really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For a lot of people the 1.5 feels better in their hands from an ergonomic standpoint. They also probably do not reap the benefits of having a free floated barrel and unobstructed sight picture. If it is a money issue or a pride issue in not wanting to spend ridiculous money on the RIS, I can totally understand. But honestly I think mostly it is only for looks and its a fad. I might be the only one but that is my honest opinion. I have owned a 1.5, B2, and a CQBR. All that remains is the CQBR. While I do think a 1.5 w/ B2 accessories is a very good looking rifle the 4oz in weight savings is not worth the un-freefloated barrel, the front sight obstruction, lack of rail space, barrel shadow(even worse with a can), or the hot ass barrel burning your clothes or body when rifle is slung in awkward shooting positions(handgun). Its also much easier to obtain a 1.5. Kind if the same reason the MK12 and B2 threads are double the size of the MK18 thread. With all that said I do think it is a very good looking rifle! A girl I know's boyfriend is a CSO and she was showing me pictures of her shooting his issued rifle at a range day they had with their friends and families. It was a fully B2'd out 1.5 with a Socom can, EXPS, PEQ16, SU233, and TD VFG. A very good looking rig! The size of the current MK18 thread isn't really an indicator of much since it's on its third iteration. Add in the pages of the previous 2 and it would be over 1,000. As another owner of a 1.5 and B2 I don't think there's much of a difference in weight at all. the 1.5 does balance a little better, but I'm not sure it's even an appreciable difference really. As far as balance is concerned, Just because there is room to forward mount accessories on a Bk II doesn't mean you have to. The additional rail space comes in handy and FF has it's advantages as well. It's called progression, get with it. given the slight 4 oz weight difference(if this is a deal breaker then, stay home and let the men do the fighting) I see no advantages of a 1.5 over a bk II. |
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