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Posted: 4/21/2016 5:59:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2020tactical: Thanks man. Waiting to hear about the other trigger Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2020tactical: Originally Posted By 1iviper: emb876 and spector --- the gun in that video has an 11.5" carbine gas barrel , aim lightweight bolt carrier , sprinco red spring and a carbine buffer. if my math is correct i was getting around 750 rpm that night on average. with a suppressor it added too much back pressure and i had 3 or 4 bud engagements in 6 mags , the added back pressure definitely sped up the rate of fire though  i'm going to take it back out with the can and add some mass back either with a heavier carrier or bump the buffer weight up a bit to try and find a sweet spot suppressed. i took the bfs out of that gun tonight and put it back in my retro lower though so it might be a couple of weeks before i get that gun back out with the bfs. i'm hoping to get my commando back to the range tomorrow with the lightweight carrier to see how much quicker it can empty a mag than with a full mass carrier. has anyone here run an aluminum or really lightweight carrier with the bfs ? Thanks man. Waiting to hear about the other trigger i took my commando back out to the range last night with the aim lightweight carrier , i needed to bump the buffer up to an h2 with the red sprinco spring. it ran pretty good but i'm going to try a few more buffer/spring combos with it.  |
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Posted: 4/21/2016 6:41:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: B585]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper:
looks like it's running good with the suppressor 
the light primer strikes will happen by a round getting chambered , pretty normal. dropping the bolt and having a round ignite isn't normal though. i would give franklin armory a call and see what they say if they did the install. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper:
Originally Posted By B585:
First time running this thing....I know, I forgot to put my eyes on....was thinking about making the vid and got distracted.  https://youtu.be/c9El_zxODak
I had Franklin do the install. The first several shots in Semi mode, I got a dead trigger after the shot...when I ejected the bullet, I found a light strike. It worked better in Binary mode for me at first. I know in the instructions from Franklin, they say to change to Semi when changing mags. One time I forgot to and I got a bit of a surprise when I hit the bolt release and the gun fired.
the light primer strikes will happen by a round getting chambered , pretty normal. dropping the bolt and having a round ignite isn't normal though. i would give franklin armory a call and see what they say if they did the install. In the beginning, in Semi mode, I would shoot once and then pull the trigger and nothing would happen. When I ejected the bullet (which was chambered) it would have a light strike. I am pretty sure I tried pulling the trigger and nothing happened so I assume the problem was not the BDS . I guess it is possible I wasn't pulling hard enough to release the BDS. What else could have caused this (other than I guess it needed broken it)? In regards to the gun firing when I released the bolt. maybe I am reading this wrong, but according to he manual, if the BDS engaged on the last round and you then pulled the trigger, the BDS will disengage and the Binary Disconnector would engage. Once you released the trigger, the Binary Disconnector would disengage. At this point, nothing would be holding the hammer back except the bolt being open. If you then release the bolt, the hammer will follow and strike the firing pin. Is that not right? What I thought happened is when the mag was empty, I pulled the trigger again because I thought maybe the BDS engaged....initially, I experienced a lot of jams in both the semi in binary mode. Anyways, my pulling the trigger again (before I loaded the new mag but while the bolt was still locked open) is what allowed this to happen (along with the BDS happening to engage on my last round). Is that possible if everything is functioning normally? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:12:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B585
In the beginning, in Semi mode, I would shoot once and then pull the trigger and nothing would happen. When I ejected the bullet (which was chambered) it would have a light strike. I am pretty sure I tried pulling the trigger and nothing happened so I assume the problem was not the BDS . I guess it is possible I wasn't pulling hard enough to release the BDS. What else could have caused this (other than I guess it needed broken it)? In regards to the gun firing when I released the bolt. maybe I am reading this wrong, but according to he manual, if the BDS engaged on the last round and you then pulled the trigger, the BDS will disengage and the Binary Disconnector would engage. Once you released the trigger, the Binary Disconnector would disengage. At this point, nothing would be holding the hammer back except the bolt being open. If you then release the bolt, the hammer will follow and strike the firing pin. Is that not right? What I thought happened is when the mag was empty, I pulled the trigger again because I thought maybe the BDS engaged....initially, I experienced a lot of jams in both the semi in binary mode. Anyways, my pulling the trigger again (before I loaded the new mag but while the bolt was still locked open) is what allowed this to happen (along with the BDS happening to engage on my last round). Is that possible if everything is functioning normally? |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:26:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1iviper]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B585: In the beginning, in Semi mode, I would shoot once and then pull the trigger and nothing would happen. When I ejected the bullet (which was chambered) it would have a light strike. I am pretty sure I tried pulling the trigger and nothing happened so I assume the problem was not the BDS . I guess it is possible I wasn't pulling hard enough to release the BDS. What else could have caused this (other than I guess it needed broken it)? In regards to the gun firing when I released the bolt. maybe I am reading this wrong, but according to he manual, if the BDS engaged on the last round and you then pulled the trigger, the BDS will disengage and the Binary Disconnector would engage. Once you released the trigger, the Binary Disconnector would disengage. At this point, nothing would be holding the hammer back except the bolt being open. If you then release the bolt, the hammer will follow and strike the firing pin. Is that not right? What I thought happened is when the mag was empty, I pulled the trigger again because I thought maybe the BDS engaged....initially, I experienced a lot of jams in both the semi in binary mode. Anyways, my pulling the trigger again (before I loaded the new mag but while the bolt was still locked open) is what allowed this to happen (along with the BDS happening to engage on my last round). Is that possible if everything is functioning normally? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By B585: Originally Posted By 1iviper: Originally Posted By B585: First time running this thing....I know, I forgot to put my eyes on....was thinking about making the vid and got distracted. https://youtu.be/c9El_zxODakI had Franklin do the install. The first several shots in Semi mode, I got a dead trigger after the shot...when I ejected the bullet, I found a light strike. It worked better in Binary mode for me at first. I know in the instructions from Franklin, they say to change to Semi when changing mags. One time I forgot to and I got a bit of a surprise when I hit the bolt release and the gun fired. the light primer strikes will happen by a round getting chambered , pretty normal. dropping the bolt and having a round ignite isn't normal though. i would give franklin armory a call and see what they say if they did the install. In the beginning, in Semi mode, I would shoot once and then pull the trigger and nothing would happen. When I ejected the bullet (which was chambered) it would have a light strike. I am pretty sure I tried pulling the trigger and nothing happened so I assume the problem was not the BDS . I guess it is possible I wasn't pulling hard enough to release the BDS. What else could have caused this (other than I guess it needed broken it)? In regards to the gun firing when I released the bolt. maybe I am reading this wrong, but according to he manual, if the BDS engaged on the last round and you then pulled the trigger, the BDS will disengage and the Binary Disconnector would engage. Once you released the trigger, the Binary Disconnector would disengage. At this point, nothing would be holding the hammer back except the bolt being open. If you then release the bolt, the hammer will follow and strike the firing pin. Is that not right? What I thought happened is when the mag was empty, I pulled the trigger again because I thought maybe the BDS engaged....initially, I experienced a lot of jams in both the semi in binary mode. Anyways, my pulling the trigger again (before I loaded the new mag but while the bolt was still locked open) is what allowed this to happen (along with the BDS happening to engage on my last round). Is that possible if everything is functioning normally? edit to add : beaten by FA with a response , that's some pretty good CS  |
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Posted: 4/23/2016 2:07:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By franklinarmory:
It sounds like there is either an installation issue or an issue with that carrier pto file working with our hammer. If you'd like an RMA #, call our office tomorrow. I'm curious to see it because something doesn't make sense and will likely make be remedied when it is in hand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By franklinarmory:
Originally Posted By B585
In the beginning, in Semi mode, I would shoot once and then pull the trigger and nothing would happen. When I ejected the bullet (which was chambered) it would have a light strike. I am pretty sure I tried pulling the trigger and nothing happened so I assume the problem was not the BDS . I guess it is possible I wasn't pulling hard enough to release the BDS. What else could have caused this (other than I guess it needed broken it)? In regards to the gun firing when I released the bolt. maybe I am reading this wrong, but according to he manual, if the BDS engaged on the last round and you then pulled the trigger, the BDS will disengage and the Binary Disconnector would engage. Once you released the trigger, the Binary Disconnector would disengage. At this point, nothing would be holding the hammer back except the bolt being open. If you then release the bolt, the hammer will follow and strike the firing pin. Is that not right? What I thought happened is when the mag was empty, I pulled the trigger again because I thought maybe the BDS engaged....initially, I experienced a lot of jams in both the semi in binary mode. Anyways, my pulling the trigger again (before I loaded the new mag but while the bolt was still locked open) is what allowed this to happen (along with the BDS happening to engage on my last round). Is that possible if everything is functioning normally? I appreciate your prompt response. I am glad to hear that the slam fire is not normal because it is definitely unnerving for you gun to fire when no force is being exerted on the trigger. In any case, I am going to take a closer look at the trigger in the next few days to see if I can figure what happened. If I can't figure it out, I will give Franklin a call. |
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MOZ
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Posted: 5/10/2016 11:05:55 AM EDT
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Fostech said the first shipment of Echos should begin early June.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:03:20 AM EDT
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The date keeps getting pushed back. I wonder what is wrong. Have any reviewers (besides Iraqi Vet) have had any trigger time?
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Posted: 5/11/2016 11:08:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: onealphay2k]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By franklinarmory:
The date keeps getting pushed back. I wonder what is wrong. Have any reviewers (besides Iraqi Vet) have had any trigger time? Why don't you give them a call and ask them? Let us know what they say. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2016 5:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By franklinarmory:
The date keeps getting pushed back. I wonder what is wrong. Have any reviewers (besides Iraqi Vet) have had any trigger time? Its not like you guys did not do the same Nothing is released in this industry when they say its going to be 
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Posted: 5/12/2016 8:02:40 PM EDT
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My LGS just got some of these triggers in...may have to check one out.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2016 3:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe:
Its not like you guys did not do the same Nothing is released in this industry when they say its going to be Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe:
Originally Posted By franklinarmory:
The date keeps getting pushed back. I wonder what is wrong. Have any reviewers (besides Iraqi Vet) have had any trigger time? Its not like you guys did not do the same Nothing is released in this industry when they say its going to be |
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Posted: 5/18/2016 8:59:06 PM EDT
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I just got mine installed recently. It passes all the dry fire tests, and it feels great. I have a 14.5 mid-length, ST-T2 buffer and spring, and WMD full auto bcg. Do you think it will work okay, or do I need to lighten things up and/or get a stronger spring?
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Posted: 5/18/2016 9:35:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1iviper]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spoof145: I just got mine installed recently. It passes all the dry fire tests, and it feels great. I have a 14.5 mid-length, ST-T2 buffer and spring, and WMD full auto bcg. Do you think it will work okay, or do I need to lighten things up and/or get a stronger spring? lightening the mass will help speed up the rate of fire. you could swap out the st-t2 for a regular carbine buffer to shave a bit of weight off it will all be in how fast you try to work the trigger. with that much weight you'll prob be able to outrun the carrier if you try to |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2016 5:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote Historyit will all be in how fast you try to work the trigger. with that much weight you'll prob be able to outrun the carrier if you try to That's what I'm wondering. How light of a BCG and Buffer combo do I need to eliminate the hammer follow issue? |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 2:35:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spoof145: That's what I'm wondering. How light of a BCG and Buffer combo do I need to eliminate the hammer follow issue? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spoof145: it will all be in how fast you try to work the trigger. with that much weight you'll prob be able to outrun the carrier if you try to That's what I'm wondering. How light of a BCG and Buffer combo do I need to eliminate the hammer follow issue? i've run the bfs with two 11.5" carbine gas barrels and they both like different set ups. most likely from different gas port sizes. most people seem to be having good success with a lightweight carrier and an extra power spring. i run aim lightweight carriers and sprinco red springs , one with a carbine buffer and one with an h2. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 9:44:05 AM EDT
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It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS!
From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2016 3:21:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GunSafe]
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 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS! From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." finally but what will the wait be on the production model? I wonder if will post the first letter for us
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:04:11 PM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 2:31:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Supperman]
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I got to play with my Franklin Armory BFS pistol AR15 today! It's running the 11.5" PSA upper and I now have it tuned perfectly with a lightweight AIM BCG + a nice strong spring and my GAWWWD it runs like a raped ape!
Double Taps were flawless, and I could not outrun the BCG no matter how hard I tried. Mag dumping was downright scary with how quickly 30 & 60 rounds were depleted....several times I had to check the mags and chamber to verify that there was no jam or BCG outrun, because that's just how faaaaaast the magazines were emptied! I have an Echo on order, so it will be interesting to see how they stack up! 
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:54:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Supperman: I got to play with my Franklin Armory BFS pistol AR15 today! It's running the 11.5" PSA upper and I now have it tuned perfectly with a lightweight AIM BCG + a nice strong spring and my GAWWWD it runs like a raped ape! Double Taps were flawless, and I could not outrun the BCG no matter how hard I tried. Mag dumping was downright scary with how quickly 30 & 60 rounds were depleted....several times I had to check the mags and chamber to verify that there was no jam or BCG outrun, because that's just how faaaaaast the magazines were emptied! I have an Echo on order, so it will be interesting to see how they stack up! http://s1.postimg.org/5qr4azmn3/mac_an_cheeze.jpg That's awesome! Oh, and does that Adam's work good for lube?  |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:07:37 PM EDT
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LMAO^^^^^ no the Adams does not work well for gun lube....however, the BFS did quench my desire for a FA M16, which saves me about $20-$30k so there is that
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Posted: 5/23/2016 12:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Supperman: LMAO^^^^^ no the Adams does not work well for gun lube....however, the BFS did quench my desire for a FA M16, which saves me about $20-$30k so there is that Hahaha, sorry, I just had too mention it. I've known the smell of Adam's since I was a small boy; grandparents raised labs for 30+ years. Yeah, the BFS is MUCH cheaper than the alternatives if you are into mag dumps and simulated FA fire. It's a lot of fun, but man does it burn through the ammo reserves fast. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 4:51:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Supperman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
Hahaha, sorry, I just had too mention it. I've known the smell of Adam's since I was a small boy; grandparents raised labs for 30+ years. Yeah, the BFS is MUCH cheaper than the alternatives if you are into mag dumps and simulated FA fire. It's a lot of fun, but man does it burn through the ammo reserves fast. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By Supperman:
LMAO^^^^^ no the Adams does not work well for gun lube....however, the BFS did quench my desire for a FA M16, which saves me about $20-$30k so there is that Hahaha, sorry, I just had too mention it. I've known the smell of Adam's since I was a small boy; grandparents raised labs for 30+ years. Yeah, the BFS is MUCH cheaper than the alternatives if you are into mag dumps and simulated FA fire. It's a lot of fun, but man does it burn through the ammo reserves fast. I bought it for the double taps, which it does perfectly...and the mag dump speed is icing on top. Your not kidding about depleted ammo, we burnt through 400 rounds quick! We have attack chiauauahahaszzz...the Adams keeps them tame! |
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Posted: 5/23/2016 7:30:39 PM EDT
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So what's the best trigger to go with? Fostech or Franklin?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2016 8:17:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Supperman]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SigJoe:
So what's the best trigger to go with? Fostech or Franklin? The Fostech is not out yet, so we can't compare. From my understanding, the Fostech has a better semi-auto trigger and selector switch. The Fostech also does not over run the BCG. However, the Fostech can't be tuned to have as high ROF as a well tuned BFS..... |
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Posted: 5/24/2016 5:34:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Supperman: I got to play with my Franklin Armory BFS pistol AR15 today! It's running the 11.5" PSA upper and I now have it tuned perfectly with a lightweight AIM BCG + a nice strong spring and my GAWWWD it runs like a raped ape! Double Taps were flawless, and I could not outrun the BCG no matter how hard I tried. Mag dumping was downright scary with how quickly 30 & 60 rounds were depleted....several times I had to check the mags and chamber to verify that there was no jam or BCG outrun, because that's just how faaaaaast the magazines were emptied! I have an Echo on order, so it will be interesting to see how they stack up! http://s1.postimg.org/5qr4azmn3/mac_an_cheeze.jpg  hopefully fostech will start shipping some echo triggers soon so we can finally get some end user comparisons |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2016 10:46:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper:
good to hear it's running tits for you, is the psa a 10.5" or 11.5" upper
hopefully fostech will start shipping some echo triggers soon so we can finally get some end user comparisons Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper:
Originally Posted By Supperman:
I got to play with my Franklin Armory BFS pistol AR15 today! It's running the 11.5" PSA upper and I now have it tuned perfectly with a lightweight AIM BCG + a nice strong spring and my GAWWWD it runs like a raped ape! Double Taps were flawless, and I could not outrun the BCG no matter how hard I tried. Mag dumping was downright scary with how quickly 30 & 60 rounds were depleted....several times I had to check the mags and chamber to verify that there was no jam or BCG outrun, because that's just how faaaaaast the magazines were emptied! I have an Echo on order, so it will be interesting to see how they stack up! http://s1.postimg.org/5qr4azmn3/mac_an_cheeze.jpg
hopefully fostech will start shipping some echo triggers soon so we can finally get some end user comparisons 10.5" and its loudiddly! |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2016 12:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS! From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 1:33:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe: They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe: Originally Posted By Muad: It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS! From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. I'd call them if that's what you're looking for. As for the legality, IMHO, there is no question here. However, I'm just a "lowly citizen", and IANAL. I'm sure Franklin will release the letter ASAP. On the subject of letters, I asked Fostech if they could give me a copy of theirs to have on file when the ECHO I ordered arrives, and I got crickets. They responded to my other questions, however nothing after a follow-up email asking for a copy of the ATF determination letter. I found that odd. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2016 3:48:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GunSafe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
I'd call them if that's what you're looking for. As for the legality, IMHO, there is no question here. However, I'm just a "lowly citizen", and IANAL. I'm sure Franklin will release the letter ASAP. On the subject of letters, I asked Fostech if they could give me a copy of theirs to have on file when the ECHO I ordered arrives, and I got crickets. They responded to my other questions, however nothing after a follow-up email asking for a copy of the ATF determination letter. I found that odd. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
Originally Posted By GunSafe:
Originally Posted By Muad:
It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS! From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. I'd call them if that's what you're looking for. As for the legality, IMHO, there is no question here. However, I'm just a "lowly citizen", and IANAL. I'm sure Franklin will release the letter ASAP. On the subject of letters, I asked Fostech if they could give me a copy of theirs to have on file when the ECHO I ordered arrives, and I got crickets. They responded to my other questions, however nothing after a follow-up email asking for a copy of the ATF determination letter. I found that odd. Fostech is not going to release the letter until they release the product. They will probably include a copy with the order and the post it with the other letters on the fostech website. I've had two people question me on the legality of the bfs trigger. It ends with a " yeah right but you dont have a letter" |
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Posted: 5/25/2016 5:40:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Muad]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe: Fostech is not going to release the letter until they release the product. They will probably include a copy with the order and the post it with the other letters on the fostech website. I've had two people question me on the legality of the bfs trigger. It ends with a " yeah right but you dont have a letter" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe: Originally Posted By Muad: Originally Posted By GunSafe: Originally Posted By Muad: It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS! From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. I'd call them if that's what you're looking for. As for the legality, IMHO, there is no question here. However, I'm just a "lowly citizen", and IANAL. I'm sure Franklin will release the letter ASAP. On the subject of letters, I asked Fostech if they could give me a copy of theirs to have on file when the ECHO I ordered arrives, and I got crickets. They responded to my other questions, however nothing after a follow-up email asking for a copy of the ATF determination letter. I found that odd. Fostech is not going to release the letter until they release the product. They will probably include a copy with the order and the post it with the other letters on the fostech website. I've had two people question me on the legality of the bfs trigger. It ends with a " yeah right but you dont have a letter" As to your two people. Simply reply that a free man needs not a "letter" from the looters in order to excersise his freedom. Then, proceed to do a mag dump... Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew!! |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2016 7:38:00 PM EDT
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I just called yesterday and I placed my order in early April and the nice lady told me to expect delivery in Oct' 2016. LOL ... Damn... Glad I already have the BFS.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2016 10:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
I get what you're saying, but the product was already released and they've taken preorders. I figured since they already have the letter, and the deposit money I gave them, that sending a copy to me wouldn't be a big deal. Or, at the very least, reply to my questions. Oh well. As to your two people. Simply reply that a free man needs not a "letter" from the looters in order to excersise his freedom. Then, proceed to do a mag dump... Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew!!
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Originally Posted By GunSafe:
Originally Posted By Muad:
It looks like the ATF finally approved the BFS! From Franklin's FB page: "SPECIAL NRA ANNOUNCEMENT!!! WE FINALLY GOT OUR LETTER! After over 11 months of waiting, ATF finally replied to us regarding the BFS. They stated that our prototype was legal, and they would like to review our current production model that has a slightly different hammer contour, heat treat specification, and finish." They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. I'd call them if that's what you're looking for. As for the legality, IMHO, there is no question here. However, I'm just a "lowly citizen", and IANAL. I'm sure Franklin will release the letter ASAP. On the subject of letters, I asked Fostech if they could give me a copy of theirs to have on file when the ECHO I ordered arrives, and I got crickets. They responded to my other questions, however nothing after a follow-up email asking for a copy of the ATF determination letter. I found that odd. Fostech is not going to release the letter until they release the product. They will probably include a copy with the order and the post it with the other letters on the fostech website. I've had two people question me on the legality of the bfs trigger. It ends with a " yeah right but you dont have a letter" As to your two people. Simply reply that a free man needs not a "letter" from the looters in order to excersise his freedom. Then, proceed to do a mag dump... Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew!!
yeah but you never know who they might be
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Posted: 5/27/2016 10:26:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Muad]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe: yeah but you never know who they might be Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunSafe: Originally Posted By Muad: Originally Posted By GunSafe: Originally Posted By Muad: Originally Posted By GunSafe: They told me on book of face that they would release the next ATF letter for the current production model. I think it would help a few of us ,who have questioned about the legality of the BFS , to release the current letter. I'd call them if that's what you're looking for. As for the legality, IMHO, there is no question here. However, I'm just a "lowly citizen", and IANAL. I'm sure Franklin will release the letter ASAP. On the subject of letters, I asked Fostech if they could give me a copy of theirs to have on file when the ECHO I ordered arrives, and I got crickets. They responded to my other questions, however nothing after a follow-up email asking for a copy of the ATF determination letter. I found that odd. Fostech is not going to release the letter until they release the product. They will probably include a copy with the order and the post it with the other letters on the fostech website. I've had two people question me on the legality of the bfs trigger. It ends with a " yeah right but you dont have a letter" As to your two people. Simply reply that a free man needs not a "letter" from the looters in order to excersise his freedom. Then, proceed to do a mag dump... Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew!! yeah but you never know who they might be Ha, good point. I will say this about the first three mode trigger I played with (3MR). At SHOT one year they were handing out copies of their ATF letter that was printed on a small card, about the size of a credit card. I still have the one they gave me. It was a great idea, that way you could easily keep it with you at all times. Hint, hint Franklin and FosTech.. |
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Posted: 5/30/2016 11:02:54 PM EDT
[#35]
after trying to make a spare kac lever fit the bfs cam without any luck i found a lever on one of my other guns that screwed right on without any modification. i think it is either an old spikes or cmmg ambi safety that the lever came off of. it looks much better on a retro gun than the factory lever.
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Posted: 6/1/2016 11:01:24 AM EDT
[#36]
Went to the range again yesterday, took my BFS AR15 pistol and Lage Max-11a1. Both firearms functioned perfectly and were a ton of fun.
I let a couple people try both of em out and judging by faces + reactions, the BFS is right up there on par in giggle factor with real F/A. Everybody who was shooting an AR15 at the range now wants a BFS
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Posted: 6/1/2016 5:13:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper:
after trying to make a spare kac lever fit the bfs cam without any luck i found a lever on one of my other guns that screwed right on without any modification. i think it is either an old spikes or cmmg ambi safety that the lever came off of. it looks much better on a retro gun than the factory lever. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3068_zpsfnfoiqzc.jpg 2 bfs triggers waiting to get to the range as soon as i get some spare time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3072_zpsuam1kave.jpg AWESOME retro selector |
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Posted: 6/1/2016 5:43:49 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skytrooper01: AWESOME retro selector Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skytrooper01: Originally Posted By 1iviper: after trying to make a spare kac lever fit the bfs cam without any luck i found a lever on one of my other guns that screwed right on without any modification. i think it is either an old spikes or cmmg ambi safety that the lever came off of. it looks much better on a retro gun than the factory lever. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3068_zpsfnfoiqzc.jpg 2 bfs triggers waiting to get to the range as soon as i get some spare time http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3072_zpsuam1kave.jpg AWESOME retro selector i ended up with some spare time in the middle of the day yesterday so i took both rifles out to get rid of some excess ammo i had laying around it was a good afternoon |
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Posted: 6/6/2016 11:11:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: arvi007]
[#39]
Installed BFS in a Spikes Tactical ( Calico Jack ) lower. Setup is a 10.5" 5.56 SBR with Troy PDW stock.
It was drop in and only had to file the bottom housing lips to line up the pins. Shoots great. Took a couple mags to get the hang of it. Here is my buddy shooting it 3rd mag. Pic of my SBR before the BFS install. 
Youtube [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0mLNPfXks4[/youtube] |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 10:43:13 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arvi007: Installed BFS in a Spikes Tactical ( Calico Jack ) lower. Setup is a 10.5" 5.56 SBR with Troy PDW stock. It was drop in and only had to file the bottom housing lips to line up the pins. Shoots great. Took a couple mags to get the hang of it. Here is my buddy shooting it 3rd mag. Pic of my SBR before the BFS install. http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/arvi007/SBR_zpsp6rjntyn.jpg Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0mLNPfXks4 |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 12:28:17 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper:
after trying to make a spare kac lever fit the bfs cam without any luck i found a lever on one of my other guns that screwed right on without any modification. i think it is either an old spikes or cmmg ambi safety that the lever came off of. it looks much better on a retro gun than the factory lever. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3068_zpsfnfoiqzc.jpg 2 bfs triggers waiting to get to the range as soon as i get some spare time
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3072_zpsuam1kave.jpg Did you figure out the manufacturer of that selector? I'm an OCD cloner and can't put anything other that exact specs on shit. |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 2:42:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: js1977]
[#42]
I know there's a million video's on it now, but figured I'd share mine suppressed while at the range today. The smoke is from the suppressor, it had a little piece of melted plastic from the table it was resting on, haha!
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Posted: 6/7/2016 3:11:28 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977: I know there's a million video's on it now, but figured I'd share mine suppressed while at the range today. The smoke is from the suppressor, it had a little piece of melted plastic from the table it was resting on, haha! http://vid788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/1B39E006-01E0-4BB0-AA24-98D8285BD4B4_zpsc8k4gl1j.mp4 Nice! Looks like you had some fun. Will add to the OP ASAP. |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 7:50:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: d13s3l]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977:
I know there's a million video's on it now, but figured I'd share mine suppressed while at the range today. The smoke is from the suppressor, it had a little piece of melted plastic from the table it was resting on, haha! http://vid788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/1B39E006-01E0-4BB0-AA24-98D8285BD4B4_zpsc8k4gl1j.mp4 nice |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 7:57:53 PM EDT
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what is general consensus on getting 22lr kits to run?
mod back edge of bolt? anything else? |
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Posted: 6/7/2016 9:01:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d13s3l:
what is general consensus on getting 22lr kits to run? mod back edge of bolt? anything else? Start with just that. If you have problems after that, post back. I had problems with primer strikes until I cut the rail on the CMMG conversion kit to make room for the wide hammer on the BFS to move without grinding. |
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Posted: 6/9/2016 10:34:28 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW:
Fostech said the first shipment of Echos should begin early June. Fostech said the first shipment of Echos should begin early October. Something about heat treating a trigger... 
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:14:54 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dfd277: Did you figure out the manufacturer of that selector? I'm an OCD cloner and can't put anything other that exact specs on shit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dfd277: Originally Posted By 1iviper: after trying to make a spare kac lever fit the bfs cam without any luck i found a lever on one of my other guns that screwed right on without any modification. i think it is either an old spikes or cmmg ambi safety that the lever came off of. it looks much better on a retro gun than the factory lever. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3068_zpsfnfoiqzc.jpg 2 bfs triggers waiting to get to the range as soon as i get some spare time http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/1iviper/IMG_3072_zpsuam1kave.jpg Did you figure out the manufacturer of that selector? I'm an OCD cloner and can't put anything other that exact specs on shit. here's a pic of the back of the selector , maybe someone will be able to tell us  |
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Posted: 6/10/2016 11:16:17 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977: I know there's a million video's on it now, but figured I'd share mine suppressed while at the range today. The smoke is from the suppressor, it had a little piece of melted plastic from the table it was resting on, haha! http://vid788.photobucket.com/albums/yy166/jimmys120/1B39E006-01E0-4BB0-AA24-98D8285BD4B4_zpsc8k4gl1j.mp4 |
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Posted: 6/12/2016 2:20:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW:
Fostech said the first shipment of Echos should begin early October. Something about heat treating a trigger... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW:
Originally Posted By HKPDW:
Fostech said the first shipment of Echos should begin early June. Fostech said the first shipment of Echos should begin early October. Something about heat treating a trigger... My personal opinion is that they are waiting for a response from ATF since they added an autosear to their design. The problem is that ATF is taking 12 months to turn letters around lately. To be honest, I hope they eventually pull it off, but from the discussions we've had with other industry personnel, that isn't likely. |
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