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Posted: 8/18/2015 3:42:33 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tohbii:
Fingers still crossed 
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:04:42 PM EDT
[#2]
UPDATE: they posted a update on their facebook saying they are testing their binary fire system on the weekend of august 21st.
This must mean its been approved right? As if they are testing the production trigger for last minute checks prior to mass production? Other wise they wouldnt be able to legally manufacture one to torture test. Right? |
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:08:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tohbii:
UPDATE: they posted a update on their facebook saying they are testing their binary fire system on the weekend of august 21st. This must mean its been approved right? As if they are testing the production trigger for last minute checks prior to mass production? Other wise they wouldnt be able to legally manufacture one to torture test. Right? I will enforce your position and hopefulness blindly in order to bolster my own optimism. Yes! You must be right! 2 weeks! 
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Posted: 8/25/2015 8:17:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki: I will enforce your position and hopefulness blindly in order to bolster my own optimism. Yes! You must be right! 2 weeks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki: Originally Posted By Tohbii: UPDATE: they posted a update on their facebook saying they are testing their binary fire system on the weekend of august 21st. This must mean its been approved right? As if they are testing the production trigger for last minute checks prior to mass production? Other wise they wouldnt be able to legally manufacture one to torture test. Right? I will enforce your position and hopefulness blindly in order to bolster my own optimism. Yes! You must be right! 2 weeks! Agreed  |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:35:51 PM EDT
[#5]
if we believe it, it will be...
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:40:07 PM EDT
[#6]
Ah hell, I completely forgot ALL about this trigger.
I gave up, I ended up buying a SSA-E which is absolutely BAD ASS! To the guys at Franklin, if you read this anyway, next time I would wait til you got your approval, and production is started before releasing info. It's not even out yet and I already don't care anymore. |
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Posted: 8/28/2015 8:33:31 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roadblock:
Ah hell, I completely forgot ALL about this trigger. I gave up, I ended up buying a SSA-E which is absolutely BAD ASS! To the guys at Franklin, if you read this anyway, next time I would wait til you got your approval, and production is started before releasing info. It's not even out yet and I already don't care anymore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roadblock:
Ah hell, I completely forgot ALL about this trigger. I gave up, I ended up buying a SSA-E which is absolutely BAD ASS! To the guys at Franklin, if you read this anyway, next time I would wait til you got your approval, and production is started before releasing info. It's not even out yet and I already don't care anymore. You forgot? Because you already told us, and it still doesn't make any sense. Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Originally Posted By Roadblock:
When people introduce these new triggers they REALLY should wait until everything's approved and production has started. I've moved on, just bought an SSA today. What does buying an SSA have to do with this trigger? I have a Geissele or CMC in every AR I own. I still want one of these. |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 5:36:49 PM EDT
[#8]
Oh boy, here we go!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2015 5:47:50 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
Oh boy, here we go! https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11999080_697001040432967_8470272051533872096_n.png?oh=74ba447f687c02ebf6b5189194bdc5e2&oe=56675ED8 Awesome!!! Not looking fwd to the $350 I'm guessing they are going to be... |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 6:19:06 PM EDT
[#10]
Awesome!
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Posted: 9/14/2015 6:38:57 PM EDT
[#11]
Shut up and take my money!!!!!!
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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:37:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SD307]
[#12]
ok I'm curious
this fires one round on the pull & one on the release, correct |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:44:47 PM EDT
[#13]
That is what some have made it sound like, but that means you would always fire at least two rounds and that might not be the right thing to do at that point. I think I will read the actual information from the release and go from there.
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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:48:33 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pandaz3:
That is what some have made it sound like, but that means you would always fire at least two rounds and that might not be the right thing to do at that point. I think I will read the actual information from the release and go from there. I believe it only does that when the selector is moved to the 3rd (normally full auto) position. |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:54:15 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SD307:
ok I'm curious this fires one round on the pull & one on the release, correct It is three position. Safe, Semi, Two round In the two round mode you can fire one round switch the level and not fire the second round if you want. |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 7:56:17 PM EDT
[#16]
That sounds better to me.
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Posted: 9/14/2015 8:09:03 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Muad:
Oh boy, here we go! https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11999080_697001040432967_8470272051533872096_n.png?oh=74ba447f687c02ebf6b5189194bdc5e2&oe=56675ED8 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2015 9:06:04 PM EDT
[#18]
I really don't think it's going to be the trigger. Why would you need a stamp?
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Posted: 9/14/2015 9:08:46 PM EDT
[#19]
A full automatic firearm needs a Tax Stamp a near full auto does not.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2015 9:24:32 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pandaz3:
A full automatic firearm needs a Tax Stamp a near full auto does not. Exactly. |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 11:20:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emb876:
Exactly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emb876:
Originally Posted By Pandaz3:
A full automatic firearm needs a Tax Stamp a near full auto does not. Exactly. Alright hold on, if they are going to market that trigger that way i could see this going the way of the sig brace realfast. Doesnt the ATF explicitly state that you cannot do something to skirt the NFA laws? |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 12:11:22 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tohbii:
Alright hold on, if they are going to market that trigger that way i could see this going the way of the sig brace realfast. Doesnt the ATF explicitly state that you cannot do something to skirt the NFA laws? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tohbii:
Originally Posted By emb876:
Originally Posted By Pandaz3:
A full automatic firearm needs a Tax Stamp a near full auto does not. Exactly. Alright hold on, if they are going to market that trigger that way i could see this going the way of the sig brace realfast. Doesnt the ATF explicitly state that you cannot do something to skirt the NFA laws? It's not skirting the NFA, it's in line with what the law says. One shot per action of the trigger is semi automatic, no matter how high the rate of fire or how similar it is to FA. Otherwise, anybody with a hand crank M1919 or Gatlin gun would be screwed. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 1:14:15 AM EDT
[#23]
I can only blame them so much, but I bet they want a fortune for them too.
Regular "good" triggers are bad enough as it is. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 1:33:52 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wolfwalker:
I can only blame them so much, but I bet they want a fortune for them too. Regular "good" triggers are bad enough as it is. Yeah i think this trigger is going to become insanely popular. They are gonna be rich as fuck. Theyre gonna wake up in a new bugati |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 2:13:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MaverickAA]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
It's not skirting the NFA, it's in line with what the law says. One shot per action of the trigger is semi automatic, no matter how high the rate of fire or how similar it is to FA. Otherwise, anybody with a hand crank M1919 or Gatlin gun would be screwed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By Tohbii:
Originally Posted By emb876:
Originally Posted By Pandaz3:
A full automatic firearm needs a Tax Stamp a near full auto does not. Exactly. Alright hold on, if they are going to market that trigger that way i could see this going the way of the sig brace realfast. Doesnt the ATF explicitly state that you cannot do something to skirt the NFA laws? It's not skirting the NFA, it's in line with what the law says. One shot per action of the trigger is semi automatic, no matter how high the rate of fire or how similar it is to FA. Otherwise, anybody with a hand crank M1919 or Gatlin gun would be screwed. Depends on WHO'S definition of "action" you use. One could say that an "action" is the pull of the trigger, and the "release" is not an action at all (you could slide your finger off the trigger if you want to, can you consider that a "forward action of the trigger"? No. That would be considered the trigger automatically returning to rest (under spring assist) and, in this case, firing (without your action at all), thus making it auto fire. I really don't think they've thought this through. Perhaps I could buy the "per action" if the trigger has no return spring, and required you to MANUALLY (key word) move the trigger BOTH directions (in other words, NO trigger spring to return forward) to get fire on BOTH directions (which is probably how ATF will unapproved). They key question (for both legal and liability reasons) IS: if you slip your finger OFF the trigger before return motion... will it still fire? The answer is YES here. Thus you did not take that "action" (manual manipulation of the trigger) yet the rifle will fire anyway (upon trigger return). Even a FA will not fire without your input (trigger press). This version would fire (the 2nd shot) whether your finger is still on the trigger with forward movement or NOT. Not good (both legally and liability wise). Food for thought. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 2:25:31 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickAA:
Depends on WHO'S definition of "action" you use. One could say that an "action" is the pull of the trigger, and the "release" is not an action at all (you could slide your finger off the trigger if you want to, can you consider that a "forward action of the trigger"? No. That would be considered the trigger automatically returning to rest (under spring assist) and, in this case, firing (without your action at all), thus making it auto fire. I really don't think they've thought this through. Perhaps I could buy the "per action" if the trigger has no return spring, and required you to MANUALLY (key word) move the trigger BOTH directions (in other words, NO trigger spring to return forward) to get fire on BOTH directions (which is probably how ATF will unapproved). They key question (for both legal and liability reasons) IS: if you slip your finger OFF the trigger before return motion... will it still fire? The answer is YES here. Thus you did not take that "action" (manual manipulation of the trigger) yet the rifle will fire anyway (upon trigger return). Even a FA will not fire without your input (trigger press). This version would fire (the 2nd shot) whether your finger is still on the trigger with forward movement or NOT. Not good (both legally and liability wise). Food for thought. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MaverickAA:
Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By Tohbii:
Originally Posted By emb876:
Originally Posted By Pandaz3:
A full automatic firearm needs a Tax Stamp a near full auto does not. Exactly. Alright hold on, if they are going to market that trigger that way i could see this going the way of the sig brace realfast. Doesnt the ATF explicitly state that you cannot do something to skirt the NFA laws? It's not skirting the NFA, it's in line with what the law says. One shot per action of the trigger is semi automatic, no matter how high the rate of fire or how similar it is to FA. Otherwise, anybody with a hand crank M1919 or Gatlin gun would be screwed. Depends on WHO'S definition of "action" you use. One could say that an "action" is the pull of the trigger, and the "release" is not an action at all (you could slide your finger off the trigger if you want to, can you consider that a "forward action of the trigger"? No. That would be considered the trigger automatically returning to rest (under spring assist) and, in this case, firing (without your action at all), thus making it auto fire. I really don't think they've thought this through. Perhaps I could buy the "per action" if the trigger has no return spring, and required you to MANUALLY (key word) move the trigger BOTH directions (in other words, NO trigger spring to return forward) to get fire on BOTH directions (which is probably how ATF will unapproved). They key question (for both legal and liability reasons) IS: if you slip your finger OFF the trigger before return motion... will it still fire? The answer is YES here. Thus you did not take that "action" (manual manipulation of the trigger) yet the rifle will fire anyway (upon trigger return). Even a FA will not fire without your input (trigger press). This version would fire (the 2nd shot) whether your finger is still on the trigger with forward movement or NOT. Not good (both legally and liability wise). Food for thought. You can try to wrestle it into being an automatic all you want, but the ATF and the entire gun industry has used the definition I described above for decades. "binary fire" triggers are NOT new, and have been accepted as legal since at least the 80s that I know of. It's not a machine gun, and unless something that has been accepted as legal for a long, long time changes, it's not going to be a machine gun. I have no idea why so many people in this thread are bound and determined to figure out some way to call this a machine gun when it clearly isn't. 
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Posted: 9/15/2015 3:00:16 AM EDT
[#27]
We are eating our own. Here we go with the letter just like with the Brace. FFS
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 11:56:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoe17:
We are eating our own. Here we go with the letter just like with the Brace. FFS Well said. Lot of folks seem to have forgotten, or never known, that one can get away with quite a lot if they just keep their mouths shut. Even regarding a product being publicly sold. Curse of the internet I guess. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 2:47:28 PM EDT
[#29]
What are they waiting for 11:59?
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:25:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
What are they waiting for 11:59?
http://cdn.toucharcade.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg ive been watching their website and facebook all day, nothing! |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:35:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Me too. Literally card in hand.
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:45:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Me too. Literally card in hand. I'm getting vertigo flipping between their website and the one I am going to buy an ARES Shrike off of if this comes true...
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:54:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockHard13F: I'm getting vertigo flipping between their website and the one I am going to buy an ARES Shrike off of if this comes true... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockHard13F: Originally Posted By Kuraki: Me too. Literally card in hand. I'm getting vertigo flipping between their website and the one I am going to buy an ARES Shrike off of if this comes true... This style of trigger would be pretty sweet in an RPD too. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 4:58:31 PM EDT
[#34]
commeeeeee onnnnn
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:01:23 PM EDT
[#35]
Still waiting .....although something tells me arfcom is gonna melt their website when it's released
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:14:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kuraki]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
This style of trigger would be pretty sweet in an RPD too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Me too. Literally card in hand. I'm getting vertigo flipping between their website and the one I am going to buy an ARES Shrike off of if this comes true... This style of trigger would be pretty sweet in an RPD too. I won't deny that I've pondered the possibility of turning my RPD into an AR upper, or, shoe horning the design into a redesigned RPD "lower" that worked with the striker system. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:19:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
I won't deny that I've pondered the possibility of turning my RPD into an AR upper, or, shoe horning the design into a redesigned RPD "lower" that worked with the striker system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Me too. Literally card in hand. I'm getting vertigo flipping between their website and the one I am going to buy an ARES Shrike off of if this comes true... This style of trigger would be pretty sweet in an RPD too. I won't deny that I've pondered the possibility of turning my RPD into an AR upper, or, shoe horning the design into a redesigned RPD "lower" that worked with the striker system. Well now that the press release is out...I am just going to say "bummer". I will have to wait for the trigger system to be sold as a trigger unit... 
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:19:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Dammit! Only in FA rifles for now. I'm seriously considering buying one and parting it out
It's up on facebook, with the ATF letter. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:20:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki: I won't deny that I've pondered the possibility of turning my RPD into an AR upper, or, shoe horning the design into a redesigned RPD "lower" that worked with the striker system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki: Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By RockHard13F: Originally Posted By Kuraki: Me too. Literally card in hand. I'm getting vertigo flipping between their website and the one I am going to buy an ARES Shrike off of if this comes true... This style of trigger would be pretty sweet in an RPD too. I won't deny that I've pondered the possibility of turning my RPD into an AR upper, or, shoe horning the design into a redesigned RPD "lower" that worked with the striker system. I figure I'll get an RPD and custom build a bump stock for it sometime. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:20:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki:
Dammit! Only in FA rifles for now. I'm seriously considering buying one and parting it out
It's up on facebook, with the ATF letter. That isn't an ATF letter... |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:20:50 PM EDT
[#41]
I don't do facebook, can someone copy and paste it here? |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:22:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost:
I don't do facebook, can someone copy and paste it here? I don't have facebook either, but go to the below link...it is public and didn't try to make me log into facebook or anything of that nature. https://www.facebook.com/franklin.armory |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:23:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kuraki]
[#43]
Your right, I didn't look that close. (ETA) Is that showing up or just in my cache? |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:32:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kuraki: Dammit! Only in FA rifles for now. I'm seriously considering buying one and parting it out It's up on facebook, with the ATF letter. Huh. They said they were going to sell the BFS by itself for $330ish a while back. I'll have to call Jay and see what's up... |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:36:57 PM EDT
[#45]
WTF? Why aren't they selling it in OR or WA?
Literally no reason not to |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:54:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M4Tank]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockHard13F:
That isn't an ATF letter... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockHard13F:
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Dammit! Only in FA rifles for now. I'm seriously considering buying one and parting it out
It's up on facebook, with the ATF letter. That isn't an ATF letter... Agreed. It's not signed by anyone from the ATF... Sorry, until the ATF actually approves this, I am out. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 6:05:32 PM EDT
[#47]
I find the ATF's lack of response somewhat unsurprising. I wish Geissele would have pursued a similar path with their three position trigger.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 6:25:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Are you kidding me!!!! I would love to buy this trigger but I will not buy their rifle! Stupid marketing move on their part. I was ready to purchase one today and double crap on them using facebook for the announcement and skipping the website. Facebook is horseshit.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 6:38:47 PM EDT
[#49]
Yeah I'm pretty disappointed for sure. It's cool that they are moving ahead with sales but I'm not buying one of there complete rifles or lowers just to get a trigger that might not be legal. I'll wait until the ATF chimes in/they start selling just the triggers.
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USA
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Posted: 9/15/2015 7:08:51 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4Tank:
Agreed. It's not signed by anyone from the ATF... Sorry, until the ATF actually approves this, I am out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4Tank:
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Dammit! Only in FA rifles for now. I'm seriously considering buying one and parting it out
It's up on facebook, with the ATF letter. That isn't an ATF letter... Agreed. It's not signed by anyone from the ATF... Sorry, until the ATF actually approves this, I am out. This, even then I'd still be wary. Anyone remember the Atkins accelerator? I know the tech behind the Atkins and the FA trigger is different, it just proves how fickle the ATF is. |
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