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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:06:09 PM EDT
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I have a Windham Weaponry rifle. Specifically: http://www.windhamweaponry.com/pdf/NewTechSeets/Carbon%20Fiber%20SRC%206-5-14%20MSRP.pdf Mine is bone stock with the exception of a cheap used red dot that was gifted to me. My wife is making me make a Christmas list to share with my family. Could use some help in the below categories: Optic: Obviously I would love an aimpoint or eotech but I not asking my family for a $500 - $1500 gift. Can you recommend me something in the middle? Say in the $100 - $300 range? Quality > features for me in my request please. look into the Primary Arms red dots. High quality for low price Flip up irons: Magpul decent? What's the expected price range here? magpul pro's are good. Mbus are polymer, break faily easily. I like troy battlesights, matech, or KAC Quad rail: Floating would be perfect, if I was a three gun champ. I am not so :(. Can you recommend brands if not specific models? I would like a full length rail. KAC or Geissele Thanks for your help! |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:16:20 PM EDT
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I have a Windham Weaponry rifle. Specifically: http://www.windhamweaponry.com/pdf/NewTechSeets/Carbon%20Fiber%20SRC%206-5-14%20MSRP.pdf Mine is bone stock with the exception of a cheap used red dot that was gifted to me. My wife is making me make a Christmas list to share with my family. Could use some help in the below categories: Optic: Obviously I would love an aimpoint or eotech but I not asking my family for a $500 - $1500 gift. Can you recommend me something in the middle? Say in the $100 - $300 range? Quality > features for me in my request please. Primary Arms wouldn't be a bad choice. If you would really like an Aimpoint though, there are a bunch of sales going on right now where you can pick up a brand new Aimpoint PRO for $350-$375. Flip up irons: Magpul decent? What's the expected price range here? Magpul are fine. I keep hearing people talking about the MBUS breaking, but I've owned some and they got beat to shit. I never once had a problem. Low cost isn't a horrible idea since they're backups. I'd save a little here (while still getting quality) and ask for more out of the RDS, like an Aimpoint PRO. Quad rail: Floating would be perfect, if I was a three gun champ. I am not so :(. Can you recommend brands if not specific models? I would like a full length rail. By full length, I assume you're speaking of a rifle length/12" rail? If so, there are quite a few brands you could go with, all of which at different price points with different trade offs. You could go Midwest Industries. They are about the cheapest I would reccomend, although you pay for that cheap price in weight. Their 12" rail is a brick. Personally, I'd recommend a Centurion C4 12". They don't cost too much, right around $250, they work with the standard barrel nut, and best of all, they're relatively light weight. Thanks for your help! |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:22:51 PM EDT
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Meprolight RDS, $280 this weekend w/the Black Friday BFTAKE30 promo code: http://www.idfholsters.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1077210
Magpul MOE handguard is inexpensive, good quality and allows you to add rails & a vertical foregrip (if desired) for little cost w/o the "cheese grater" of a quad rail. Tomac ETA: Here's one of my AR's (midlength gas sytem) w/a Meprolight RDS, Magpul MOE handguard, cantilver rail for the weapons light, vertical foregrip, MOE pistol grip, & Magpul STR buttstock: 
And a carbine-length gas sytem w/similar setup minus the vfg: 
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:42:56 PM EDT
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I would also go with a full Magpul makeover...MOE SL stock and handguard, and MOE+ grip.
And if you don't already have sights, the Magpul MBUS Pros are great. |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:57:12 PM EDT
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Meprolight RDS, $280 this weekend w/the Black Friday BFTAKE30 promo code: http://www.idfholsters.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1077210 Magpul MOE handguard is inexpensive, good quality and allows you to add rails & a vertical foregrip (if desired) for little cost w/o the "cheese grater" of a quad rail. Tomac ETA: Here's one of my AR's (midlength gas sytem) w/a Meprolight RDS, Magpul MOE handguard, cantilver rail for the weapons light, vertical foregrip, MOE pistol grip, & Magpul STR buttstock: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Tomac/media/PB220003.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/PB220003.jpg</a> And a carbine-length gas sytem w/similar setup minus the vfg: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Tomac/media/PA180008.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/PA180008.jpg</a> Ok I REALLY like this option, this is moderately durable? |
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Posted: 11/26/2014 11:57:25 PM EDT
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Light and mount along with a quad rail would be nice.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:03:10 AM EDT
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Stock rifles are incredibly useful. Shoot it.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:03:40 AM EDT
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Unless I'm mistaken, and someone can correct me if i am, but it isn't a good idea to put the polymer mbus on railed gas blocks due to the heat. I like the pros regardless myself.
Do you have a sling? If not, start there. I like vickers 2 point. And a light. If you can swing ~360 you can get an Aimpoint pro on sale a couple of places, but i don't know how long that will last. Hell ask for Amazon gift cards and pony up the difference, they're still under 400 there. As for the rail, I'd get something drop in for now tbh unless you're willing to cut your delta ring or have the tools to take it off. If you want to free float, that gas block isn't low profile enough to get under a full length rail anyways. Midwest Industries is cheap (~130) for a quad rail, solid, and lifetime warranty. Otherwise just get some MOE handguards, they'll work just as fine and have plenty of mounting options for just about any accessory. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:10:05 AM EDT
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Meprolight RDS, $280 this weekend w/the Black Friday BFTAKE30 promo code: http://www.idfholsters.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1077210 Magpul MOE handguard is inexpensive, good quality and allows you to add rails & a vertical foregrip (if desired) for little cost w/o the "cheese grater" of a quad rail. Tomac ETA: Here's one of my AR's (midlength gas sytem) w/a Meprolight RDS, Magpul MOE handguard, cantilver rail for the weapons light, vertical foregrip, MOE pistol grip, & Magpul STR buttstock: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Tomac/media/PB220003.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/PB220003.jpg</a> And a carbine-length gas sytem w/similar setup minus the vfg: <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Tomac/media/PA180008.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Tomac/PA180008.jpg</a> Ok I REALLY like this option, this is moderately durable? Most certainly yes for the Meprolight RDS and all Magpul products: http://store.magpul.com/category/MOE . Tomac ETA: My pics also show the Mapgul MS1 sling & MBUS rear sight. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:10:54 AM EDT
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Stock rifles are incredibly useful. Shoot it. I would love to, it has no irons and the last time I hit the range the cheap red dot turned off every other round, I had to keep smacking it to "turn it back on". |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:17:36 AM EDT
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OP, how are you going to use this rifle?
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:18:39 AM EDT
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Unless I'm mistaken, and someone can correct me if i am, but it isn't a good idea to put the polymer mbus on railed gas blocks due to the heat. I like the pros regardless myself. Do you have a sling? If not, start there. I like vickers 2 point. And a light. If you can swing ~360 you can get an Aimpoint pro on sale a couple of places, but i don't know how long that will last. Hell ask for Amazon gift cards and pony up the difference, they're still under 400 there. As for the rail, I'd get something drop in for now tbh unless you're willing to cut your delta ring or have the tools to take it off. If you want to free float, that gas block isn't low profile enough to get under a full length rail anyways. Midwest Industries is cheap (~130) for a quad rail, solid, and lifetime warranty. Otherwise just get some MOE handguards, they'll work just as fine and have plenty of mounting options for just about any accessory. I was just about to add MBUS backups to my list, didn't think about this, is this really an issue? |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:19:07 AM EDT
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OP, how are you going to use this rifle? Range, HD. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:20:38 AM EDT
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Unless I'm mistaken, and someone can correct me if i am, but it isn't a good idea to put the polymer mbus on railed gas blocks due to the heat. I like the pros regardless myself. Do you have a sling? If not, start there. I like vickers 2 point. And a light. If you can swing ~360 you can get an Aimpoint pro on sale a couple of places, but i don't know how long that will last. Hell ask for Amazon gift cards and pony up the difference, they're still under 400 there. As for the rail, I'd get something drop in for now tbh unless you're willing to cut your delta ring or have the tools to take it off. If you want to free float, that gas block isn't low profile enough to get under a full length rail anyways. Midwest Industries is cheap (~130) for a quad rail, solid, and lifetime warranty. Otherwise just get some MOE handguards, they'll work just as fine and have plenty of mounting options for just about any accessory. Sling is a great idea, I have the cheapo stock on that came with the rifle thanks! I googled vickers 2 point sling, found their site but the link to order results in 404. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:20:43 AM EDT
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I was just about to add MBUS backups to my list, didn't think about this, is this really an issue? The MBUS rear would be a great budget rear sight but you definitely want a metal front sight on a gas block. Tomac |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:26:06 AM EDT
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The MBUS rear would be a great budget rear sight but you definitely want a metal front sight on a gas block. Tomac Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was just about to add MBUS backups to my list, didn't think about this, is this really an issue? The MBUS rear would be a great budget rear sight but you definitely want a metal front sight on a gas block. Tomac Ok does magpul make a metal set? I would prefer them to be a set. All the links on the left of magpul's site seem to be polymer. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:29:05 AM EDT
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Ok does magpul make a metal set? I would prefer them to be a set. All the links on the left of magpul's site seem to be polymer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was just about to add MBUS backups to my list, didn't think about this, is this really an issue? The MBUS rear would be a great budget rear sight but you definitely want a metal front sight on a gas block. Tomac Ok does magpul make a metal set? I would prefer them to be a set. All the links on the left of magpul's site seem to be polymer. The top two on this page are their new metal MBUS Pro sights: http://store.magpul.com/category/MBUS Of course it's your choice, but I would have no problems using their Pro front sight w/the polymyer MBUS rear sight. Tomac |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:30:08 AM EDT
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Ok does magpul make a metal set? I would prefer them to be a set. All the links on the left of magpul's site seem to be polymer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was just about to add MBUS backups to my list, didn't think about this, is this really an issue? The MBUS rear would be a great budget rear sight but you definitely want a metal front sight on a gas block. Tomac Ok does magpul make a metal set? I would prefer them to be a set. All the links on the left of magpul's site seem to be polymer. The pro's I suggested are metal. The regular mbus are plastic |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:30:38 AM EDT
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The top two on this page are their new metal MBUS Pro sights: http://store.magpul.com/category/MBUS Of course it's your choice, but I would have no problems using their Pro front sight w/the polymyer MBUS rear sight. Tomac Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was just about to add MBUS backups to my list, didn't think about this, is this really an issue? The MBUS rear would be a great budget rear sight but you definitely want a metal front sight on a gas block. Tomac Ok does magpul make a metal set? I would prefer them to be a set. All the links on the left of magpul's site seem to be polymer. The top two on this page are their new metal MBUS Pro sights: http://store.magpul.com/category/MBUS Of course it's your choice, but I would have no problems using their Pro front sight w/the polymyer MBUS rear sight. Tomac Oh I didn't read the description on those, sorry to waste your time, perfect thank you. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:32:54 AM EDT
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Oh I didn't read the description on those, sorry to waste your time, perfect thank you. Nothing to apologize for, the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. 
Tomac |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:33:29 AM EDT
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http://www.bulkammo.com/rifle/bulk-.223-ammo
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:37:48 AM EDT
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Never skimp on an optic for HD.
Get a Daniel Defense or Troy fixed front sight (cheaper and easier to use than a folder) and an Aimpoint Pro. Skip the free float for now. You don't need it. Magpul hand guards cost $30 if you need a VFG or flashlight. Buy ammo, take a class. Otherwise you will spend less on the necessities and more on stuff you don't need. Never skimp on an optic for HD. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:39:15 AM EDT
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http://www.bulkammo.com/rifle/bulk-.223-ammo Better!: http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/wolf-gold-223-ammo-ammo-can.html
Tomac |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:04:31 AM EDT
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OK I have the optic and the irons covered, can someone link me to a specific full length non floating quad rail for the rifle I linked? I tried to find to google a few of the suggestions but they resulted in dead links. I "think" what I want is 12 inch to get as much space as possible. I plan to use the rail as a foregrip, I don't like vertical front grips for some reason. A good 2 point sling would be awesome as well. Thanks for the help you glorious bastards.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:29:11 AM EDT
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OK I have the optic and the irons covered, can someone link me to a specific full length non floating quad rail for the rifle I linked? I tried to find to google a few of the suggestions but they resulted in dead links. I "think" what I want is 12 inch to get as much space as possible. I plan to use the rail as a foregrip, I don't like vertical front grips for some reason. A good 2 point sling would be awesome as well. Thanks for the help you glorious bastards. I mentioned it briefly, but keep in mind that railed gas block is too high to put a rail over it. If you change it to a low profile gas block, it isnt hard and they're only like 30 bucks. Actually it'll probably wind up being around the same cost to get a new gas block and getting the cheaper front polymer sight since it'd then be sitting on the free float rail and the heat issue wouldn't be a problem. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:33:25 AM EDT
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I mentioned it briefly, but keep in mind that railed gas block is too high to put a rail over it. If you change it to a low profile gas block, it isnt hard and they're only like 30 bucks. Actually it'll probably wind up being around the same cost to get a new gas block and getting the cheaper front polymer sight since it'd then be sitting on the free float rail and the heat issue wouldn't be a problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OK I have the optic and the irons covered, can someone link me to a specific full length non floating quad rail for the rifle I linked? I tried to find to google a few of the suggestions but they resulted in dead links. I "think" what I want is 12 inch to get as much space as possible. I plan to use the rail as a foregrip, I don't like vertical front grips for some reason. A good 2 point sling would be awesome as well. Thanks for the help you glorious bastards. I mentioned it briefly, but keep in mind that railed gas block is too high to put a rail over it. If you change it to a low profile gas block, it isnt hard and they're only like 30 bucks. Actually it'll probably wind up being around the same cost to get a new gas block and getting the cheaper front polymer sight since it'd then be sitting on the free float rail and the heat issue wouldn't be a problem. I thought some rails had cut out's to wrap around the gas block, it is entirely possible I am mistaken. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 1:39:21 AM EDT
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You know you're right, some do. I even have a Centurion FSP cutout rail on my 14.5.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 2:12:28 AM EDT
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You know you're right, some do. I even have a Centurion FSP cutout rail on my 14.5. Got a link? 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 2:12:47 AM EDT
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Fwiw
lots of deals for black Friday. Got an email from Troy on their rails, sights, & slings. Quantico Tactical and others selling mbus pros. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 2:16:26 AM EDT
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You know you're right, some do. I even have a Centurion FSP cutout rail on my 14.5. They are free float. If he is going to go through the work of ditching the cap, and delta for a free float, then get rid of that hideous gas block while doing it, and put on a set screw lo-pro gas block so a 12" solid free float can be installed. The Centurion C4 12 incher is a great choice. Running a FF cutout to accommodate that railed gas block is not ideal, and will look like ass. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:31:07 AM EDT
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They are free float. If he is going to go through the work of ditching the cap, and delta for a free float, then get rid of that hideous gas block while doing it, and put on a set screw lo-pro gas block so a 12" solid free float can be installed. The Centurion C4 12 incher is a great choice. Running a FF cutout to accommodate that railed gas block is not ideal, and will look like ass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know you're right, some do. I even have a Centurion FSP cutout rail on my 14.5. They are free float. If he is going to go through the work of ditching the cap, and delta for a free float, then get rid of that hideous gas block while doing it, and put on a set screw lo-pro gas block so a 12" solid free float can be installed. The Centurion C4 12 incher is a great choice. Running a FF cutout to accommodate that railed gas block is not ideal, and will look like ass. Agree! I would also investigate a little about what barrel nut fits your polymer upper. It might be different. I'm also not sure I would want a full length free float with grip light sling etc hanging on a polymer upper. A nice forged upper might be a nice upgrade. Just my .02 centavos. chris |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:33:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stock rifles are incredibly useful. Shoot it. The question is, what mission are you trying to outfit it for? |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:24:31 AM EDT
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I have a Windham Weaponry rifle. Specifically: http://www.windhamweaponry.com/pdf/NewTechSeets/Carbon%20Fiber%20SRC%206-5-14%20MSRP.pdf Mine is bone stock with the exception of a cheap used red dot that was gifted to me. My wife is making me make a Christmas list to share with my family. Could use some help in the below categories: Optic: Obviously I would love an aimpoint or eotech but I not asking my family for a $500 - $1500 gift. Can you recommend me something in the middle? Say in the $100 - $300 range? Quality > features for me in my request please. look into the Primary Arms red dots. High quality for low price Flip up irons: Magpul decent? What's the expected price range here? magpul pro's are good. Mbus are polymer, break faily easily. I like troy battlesights, matech, or KAC Quad rail: Floating would be perfect, if I was a three gun champ. I am not so :(. Can you recommend brands if not specific models? I would like a full length rail. KAC or Geissele Thanks for your help! this is funny you recommend a cheap a$$ red dot with no warranty but then say magpul pros (more expensive than the PA red dot) and Kac or Geisele rail..... you should have sprung for the comp4
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:51:44 AM EDT
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Agree! I would also investigate a little about what barrel nut fits your polymer upper. It might be different. I'm also not sure I would want a full length free float with grip light sling etc hanging on a polymer upper. A nice forged upper might be a nice upgrade. Just my .02 centavos. chris Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know you're right, some do. I even have a Centurion FSP cutout rail on my 14.5. They are free float. If he is going to go through the work of ditching the cap, and delta for a free float, then get rid of that hideous gas block while doing it, and put on a set screw lo-pro gas block so a 12" solid free float can be installed. The Centurion C4 12 incher is a great choice. Running a FF cutout to accommodate that railed gas block is not ideal, and will look like ass. Agree! I would also investigate a little about what barrel nut fits your polymer upper. It might be different. I'm also not sure I would want a full length free float with grip light sling etc hanging on a polymer upper. A nice forged upper might be a nice upgrade. Just my .02 centavos. chris I didn't realize I linked the polymer SRC, that was a mistake, mine is the Aircraft Aluminum upper SRC. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:52:19 AM EDT
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Stock rifles are incredibly useful. Shoot it. The question is, what mission are you trying to outfit it for? No irons and a non usable red dot. Range fun and HD. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 11:58:29 AM EDT
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No irons and a non usable red dot. Range fun and HD. Short answer: Decent optic, backup sights, sling, light, extra mags, lots of ammo and *lots* of practice. Tomac |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:35:08 PM EDT
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List complete, thanks for the help guys. Happy Thanksgiving!
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Posted: 11/27/2014 12:48:02 PM EDT
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List complete, thanks for the help guys. Happy Thanksgiving! What'd you end up with on the list? Spill!...
And Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well. 
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Posted: 11/27/2014 8:34:20 PM EDT
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Two things to bear in mind....I'm not sure if it matters but the carbon fiber Windham doesn't use a "standard" barrel nut so you might want to check in regard to the free float guards. Also, the gas block rail is not on the same plane as the top rail. Windham and others sell a .040" taller front sight post for this reason.
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Posted: 11/27/2014 9:03:28 PM EDT
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Optic:
Primary Arms or Vortex. I highly recommend Primary Arms since their service is fantastic and they work hard to make sure the customer is happy. Their Aimpoint M4 clone is great, and the AA powered version has 10,000 hours of battery life for $110 shipped. You can get their advanced series that has longer battery life, and has shown to be pretty damn tough for well under $300. And by tough I mean their microdot was dragged behind a vehicle, had a cracked lens, and still functioned and held zero. Flip ups: If you run a full length rail, then the polymer MBUS will be fine. The Magpul Pros are still a good option if you can swing it though. Quad Rail: What's your budget for rails? Do you want a straight up quad rail, or are you ok with something like Midwest Industries SS12G2? I'm pretty happy with my Yankee Hill diamond rail, though MI's quad rail is also pretty sweet and well priced. You'll definitely need a low profile gas block, which can be found pretty easily. I'd also recommend sling mounts (rail mounted and new receiver end plate) and a 1-2 point sling. Since you're also using it for home defense, an offset light mount and a good light would be helpful as well. Note, you don't need to get all this at once. Prioritize what you need and can get, then add it on as you get it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2014 10:16:39 PM EDT
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My opinion.... get a set of irons. AMMO mags sling and call it good. AIMPOINT PRO is awesome hd and sport optic. They also came out with the ACO. Seems like a PRO but a little more affordable.
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