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Posted: 6/12/2017 2:47:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger:
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Posted: 6/12/2017 2:49:03 PM EDT
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LMT MRP with 14.5" barrel cut down to 12.5" Also shown with 16" turned down barrel and 10.5" .300aac barrel. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 4:09:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Now that's so stinking pretty that I'm not sure I could bear to shoot it. Think I'd look for a really nice frame, mount it over the hearth, and smack anyone who tried to touch it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Originally Posted By M4ger:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4238/35224914566_286b53282d_o.jpg Originally Posted By sevin8nin:
http://i.imgur.com/ldNQ3s4.jpg LMT MRP with 14.5" barrel cut down to 12.5" Also shown with 16" turned down barrel and 10.5" .300aac barrel. Nicely done @sevin8nin. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 4:36:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wordmahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
http://i.imgur.com/ldNQ3s4.jpg LMT MRP with 14.5" barrel cut down to 12.5" Also shown with 16" turned down barrel and 10.5" .300aac barrel. You've got most of the bases well covered with one stick. Excellent! What do you think of Lewis' new carbine that they're selling to the Kiwi's? |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 4:55:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for the kind words guys.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
What do you think of Lewis' new carbine that they're selling to the Kiwi's? I dig it, but not enough to go changing what i've got. I run a strong side safety selector on everything and a standard bolt catch/release. My MWS is the only gun with an ambi safety and about the only time I use the weak side safety is putting the gun back on safe. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 5:52:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wordmahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
Thanks for the kind words guys. I believe from what i've seen it's just CQB and Rifle length MRP chassis with their new MARS lower that sports some ambi features? I dig it, but not enough to go changing what i've got. I run a strong side safety selector on everything and a standard bolt catch/release. My MWS is the only gun with an ambi safety and about the only time I use the weak side safety is putting the gun back on safe. Two questions if you don't mind: What kind of accuracy are you getting beyond point blank range with that rig? And, do you know what it weighs naked, with the NF, in 12.5" 5.56 trim, without the suppressor? Oh, one more: Are you able to run subs in 300 BO AND regular 5.56 without changing anything on the buffer end, or adjusting gas? I think yours is the hottest setup I've seen yet. Thanks! |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 5:55:40 PM EDT
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I don't have the weight unfortunately as my postal scale taps out after a couple pounds and the bathroom scale isn't accurate enough.
But, it does feel really well balanced compared to my 16" rig. Currently I've only gone out and shot for groups once with it (when I zeroed it) and I was getting 1" groups at 50yds with IMI 77gr. Same ammo out of my 16" SS 5-r barreled MRP with the suppressor on and I can get rounds to touch each other at 100yds. Need to take this little guy back out just to shoot groups and see how I can do. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 5:58:09 PM EDT
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No op system tweaks needed to go from 300 sub sonic to heavy 5.56 rounds?
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:05:21 PM EDT
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Not currently. I went from firing IMI 5.56 unsuppressed and suppressed to firing 300BO subsonic and supersonic (suppressed).
LMT Enhanced BCG, mil-spec buffer spring and an H2 buffer. But, the next weekend I was out shooting PMC .223 bronze suppressed and fired off a quick string of 10 or so rounds and had a failure to lock open. Made me think maybe my buffer was bouncing and cycling too fast. If it's doing that on PMC then i'm likely to start getting bolt over base malfs on 5.56 Going to add the Geissele super braided buffer spring to the gun and then try h1, h2, and h3 buffers with PMC .223 and IMI 5.56 and try to use my ejection pattern to guage cyclic speed. It does feel like it's recoiling a little hard for what it is. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:12:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
http://i.imgur.com/ldNQ3s4.jpg LMT MRP with 14.5" barrel cut down to 12.5" Also shown with 16" turned down barrel and 10.5" .300aac barrel. Mine does have the 12" piston barrel and I can probably throw a decent variable on there and get to play in the Mini-RECCE thread finally. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
Not currently. I went from firing IMI 5.56 unsuppressed and suppressed to firing 300BO subsonic and supersonic (suppressed). LMT Enhanced BCG, mil-spec buffer spring and an H2 buffer. But, the next weekend I was out shooting PMC .223 bronze suppressed and fired off a quick string of 10 or so rounds and had a failure to lock open. Made me think maybe my buffer was bouncing and cycling too fast. If it's doing that on PMC then i'm likely to start getting bolt over base malfs on 5.56 Going to add the Geissele super braided buffer spring to the gun and then try h1, h2, and h3 buffers with PMC .223 and IMI 5.56 and try to use my ejection pattern to guage cyclic speed. It does feel like it's recoiling a little hard for what it is. You might want to try the A5. It's milspec, and would fit your theme. Only downside is that you lose one position on collapsing your stock. No big deal. Oh, and their buffer weights are proprietary, but they offer a range of weights. Can you run an adjustable gas block on an MRP? |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:40:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarcus:
Lilja 11 inch 6.5 Grendel https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167780/IMG-0925-229297.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167780/IMG-0921-229305.JPG |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Can you run an adjustable gas block on an MRP? I've looked at/admired the A5 system. I just want to see if I can get away with LMT receiver extensions. On my rifle length gun I ultimately put a gemtech SBCG in there to combat the overgassing problems associated with the can and that's been perfect. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 7:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sevin8nin:
Not easily no. 45deg angle gas port on the barrel doesn't play with others I believe. I've looked at/admired the A5 system. I just want to see if I can get away with LMT receiver extensions. On my rifle length gun I ultimately put a gemtech SBCG in there to combat the overgassing problems associated with the can and that's been perfect. You could run the Rubber City adjustable gas bolt carrier. I've heard good things about them except it's not the kind of system that you adjust often as it tends to get baked tight. But it WOULD allow you to decrease the gas on your system to optimal. You have such a wide range of stuff there. I'd really consider the A5 as it allows you more leeway without fooling with gas. I've heard people say that it totally smoothed out problematic builds. Me? I don't mind messing with gas cause mine is experimental rather than iconic. Lightweight op system and all sorts of stuff. Wanted to play around with the "beyond milspec" side of things. Not a popular choice on this thread. But I don't care. It's working for me so far. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 7:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Woah. That will reach out and touch some stuff. Maybe a little more glass is in order. Thought that Grendel didn't work well in a shorter barrel. Do you have to download it some? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Originally Posted By smarcus:
Lilja 11 inch 6.5 Grendel https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167780/IMG-0925-229297.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167780/IMG-0921-229305.JPG |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 7:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarcus:
Standard ammo works fine. I've been thinking of a 1-8 but the Browe 4x works great. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 7:11:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Have you streatched its legs much? |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 7:27:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
They say the Vltor A5 buffer setup is more forgiving over a wider range of conditions. It's a little longer than a carbine buffer, but shorter than a rifle buffer tube. I'm using one with a Tubbs flat CS flat wire spring. All said it's really smoothed and quieted my action. I think I need to cut some coils for optimum functioning on my rig, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Actually I'm holding off until I get my can and cut down my barrel, cause I know that will change everything. I'll run my can full time. You might want to try the A5. It's milspec, and would fit your theme. Only downside is that you lose one position on collapsing your stock. No big deal. Oh, and their buffer weights are proprietary, but they offer a range of weights. Can you run an adjustable gas block on an MRP? |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 7:40:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smarcus:
Steel at 500 meters is the longest I have shot but it rings it with much more authority then my 10.5inch 5.56. I did a 6.8 and then decided to settle for 5.56 for interoperability and cheaper practice ammo. Reloading is not in the cards for me. And now that we have the factory BH 77 TMKs I don't feel so bad. Of course I'd rarely use that for practice at $1 per! |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 8:28:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow. MRP mania. I didn't know. So flexible and such quality!
I'd be totally sold but for the weight. Since I'm a shooter and not a collector and too old to enjoy swinging a 12 pound rig, I might have to resist the considerable appeal. Is there a lightweight Recce thread? Ha. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 8:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Wow. MRP mania. I didn't know. So flexible and such quality! I'd be totally sold but for the weight. Since I'm a shooter and not a collector and too old to enjoy swinging a 12 pound rig, I might have to resist the considerable appeal. Is there a lightweight Recce thread? Ha. Given identical handguards and BCGs, I can tell the difference between a KAC SR-15 E3 barrel and a SR-15 M4 barrel. The M4 is noticeably more front-heavy. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 9:30:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4ger:
You could have the barrel turned down. The MRP chassis (CQB and Rifle) are not much different from each other, but the barrel is the majority of the weight you feel. Given identical handguards and BCGs, I can tell the difference between a KAC SR-15 E3 barrel and a SR-15 M4 barrel. The M4 is noticeably more front-heavy. I'm afraid I'm a ways beyond that. A lightweight stainless match barrel (not pencil weight. I don't do pencil) with a Ti gas block and a KMR rail is where I am. I figure, why carry all that rail real estate I'm not using? I don't even use sling swivels. Those things are heavy enough to hoist an engine. I just paracord my sling to my stock and use one of those lightweight wire sling things up front. Backup irons are extra ounces. Got an RMR on a super light offset mount for that and it's way more capable. Most guys here would find all this sissy, but it's not for show, I'm not going on any deployments, and I'm sure it would take some abuse. My rig wouldn't turn heads on this thread. But everyone who picks it up instantly breaks into a smile. You can carry it all day and hardly know it's there. Not a range toy. I carefully avoided delicate parts. It's not an MRAP or even a HUMVEE. Maybe more like a Baja truck. Light and fast, but built for reasonably hard use. |
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Posted: 6/13/2017 10:23:39 PM EDT
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10.5" with 5.56sd
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Posted: 6/13/2017 11:07:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/14/2017 12:32:30 AM EDT
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Shot out to 300 today. Center shot is at 50 Yd, Top is as 100 YD, Bottom center is at 200 YD, Bottom right is at 300 YD holding top of plate. Not bad for an 11.5"
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Posted: 6/14/2017 9:16:09 AM EDT
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I'm getting bad thoughts on a Holland-esque mini recce with 9" PRI tube and AEM5 that slightly recesses inside. Throw a 1-4 or 1-6 on there and you're good to go.
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Posted: 6/14/2017 12:03:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/14/2017 12:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtdam24:
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Posted: 6/14/2017 1:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtdam24:
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Posted: 6/14/2017 1:35:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TannerB:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4283/34451775964_46ca6d8263_z.jpgIMG_20170608_121847_955 by T B, on Flickr |
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Posted: 6/14/2017 1:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Hot indeed. What barrel length, scope, laser mod? Can you tell us anything about performance? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Originally Posted By jtdam24:
http://i.imgur.com/4Qpiuri.jpg http://i.imgur.com/bxVUhIO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/C8z5dTQ.jpg Specs Of all my MRP uppers this one is by far my favorite. Hell this is my favorite of all my uppers. It just got a bath 
Specs 10.5" 5.56 CQB MRP upper BCM GF CH LMT FA BCG Troy BUIS FDE ADM QD mount (Noveske marked) Leupold MK4 1.5-5X SPR illuminated Steiner DBAL-A3 Surefire M720V LaRue FUG Saker MB (Saker FDE 762 hopefully clearing in the next few days) Boringly reliable as any LMT product. |
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Posted: 6/14/2017 2:00:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider:
I'm getting bad thoughts on a Holland-esque mini recce with 9" PRI tube and AEM5 that slightly recesses inside. Throw a 1-4 or 1-6 on there and you're good to go. |
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Posted: 6/15/2017 9:29:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
@02Overlander 
10.5" 300blk / Ops Inc 12th / 12.5" PRI Gen III 
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Posted: 6/15/2017 9:45:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 02Overlander:
10.5" 300blk / Ops Inc 12th / 12.5" PRI Gen III http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f160/HDHNTER/300blk_zpsrvx30rny.jpg Kind of reminds me of the McMillan CS5. 
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Posted: 6/15/2017 11:12:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rksonex:
Shot out to 300 today. Center shot is at 50 Yd, Top is as 100 YD, Bottom center is at 200 YD, Bottom right is at 300 YD holding top of plate. Not bad for an 11.5" https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4282/34453461564_61f59c4238_o.jpg |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:30:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2017 2:58:40 PM EDT
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I did a thing.
My grab and go mini recce as configured currently. 
Bit the bullet and got another AAC Blackout FH so I can use the SDN-6 until I get a 556 specific can (M4-2000 or Mini-4). The SDN-6 takes a light weight and handy mini recce and turns into a front heavy, longer than necessary, unwieldy bludgeon. I really like the performance and durability of the M4-2000, but at the end of the day, I may opt for the Mini-4 simply for minimum added length and weight. I sprayed a BCM MOD 3 grip with RAL8000 and put up the HK grip until further notice. With the standard trigger guard, the HK left a gap between the guard and grip and the receiver flanges were chewing up my middle finger and as a millennial that gets passed on the road constantly, I need my middle finger  (kidding, I've never given anyone the bird in my entire life).
Didn't have time to break out the Canon 7D last night so Instagram pics will have to suffice for now. I'll try to take some better pics soon and post them up. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:02:34 PM EDT
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More!
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Posted: 6/23/2017 4:06:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wordmahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheManimal:
I did a thing. My grab and go mini recce as configured currently. https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/021024940703/media/123072214432/medium/1498242606508/enhance https://im1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/021024940703/media/123072225593/medium/1498243248476/enhance Bit the bullet and got another AAC Blackout FH so I can use the SDN-6 until I get a 556 specific can (M4-2000 or Mini-4). The SDN-6 takes a light weight and handy mini recce and turns into a front heavy, longer than necessary, unwieldy bludgeon. I really like the performance and durability of the M4-2000, but at the end of the day, I may opt for the Mini-4 simply for minimum added length and weight. I sprayed a BCM MOD 3 grip with RAL8000 and put up the HK grip until further notice. With the standard trigger guard, the HK left a gap between the guard and grip and the receiver flanges were chewing up my middle finger and as a millennial that gets passed on the road constantly, I need my middle finger (kidding, I've never given anyone the bird in my entire life).
Didn't have time to break out the Canon 7D last night so Instagram pics will have to suffice for now. I'll try to take some better pics soon and post them up. Also, is that an LT135? Looks high. For reduction of weight up front, ever considered the Brevis Ultra? |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 5:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
Nice. Know what she weighs naked? Also, is that an LT135? Looks high. For reduction of weight up front, ever considered the Brevis Ultra? Yes. I like how the 1.93" height of the LT135 offers an unobstructed view over the dbal. It takes some getting used to, but I find it more comfortable now. I'd love to have a Brevis Ultra, but I already have all the infrastructure for AAC suppressors. Plus the M4-2000 is 1/3 of the price of the Brevis. Everything in the pictures (minus the Blackout FH) was acquired while the wife was working. She quit to stay home and raise our boys. I know, go be poor somewhere else and all that...but I have about a $500 limit on the suppressor itself (birthday money). After that, probably won't be making any additions to the armory whatsoever with the exception of a few boxes of ammunition every now and then. I could be 4 months into the approval wait by now, but being the sole provider makes me hesitant; just waiting for some catastrophe to happen at the house or to one of our vehicles  Just can't pull the trigger. Yea, sorry about venting all that into this thread...
Back on topic: I was having double feeds out of this one. My gunsmith said it sounded like it wasn't getting enough pressure to cycle. I opened it up and there was a lot of paint inside the upper. I scrubbed it all off and oiled it up. Next weekend I plan to test it with a standard and a heavy buffer, suppressed and unsuppressed to see what works. I was also using .223 when I first shot it. I'm hoping that 5.56 and a slick upper will be hot enough to cycle it. Don't want to have to open the gas port if I don't have to. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 7:43:02 PM EDT
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Anyone used the new vortex 1-8 strike eagle? Looks pretty sick for the price.
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Posted: 6/23/2017 8:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Anyone used the new vortex 1-8 strike eagle? Looks pretty sick for the price. I've got a couple ordered myself and hopefully they're in soon 
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Posted: 6/23/2017 9:43:40 PM EDT
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12.5" Noveske Crusader barrel Geissele Super Charging Handle, MK1 rail, and 30mm mount Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 Toolcraft Nitrated BCG AAC can and mount The lower is borrowed until I get the receiver for this build engraved. It will have a Geissele SSA-E, the B5 SOPMOD that's in this pic, and an A2 grip with the finger groove removed. |
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Posted: 6/23/2017 11:46:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SLRrifleworks]
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Posted: 6/24/2017 2:18:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheManimal:
I don't own a scale, but even with the scope, laser and light, it's surprisingly light (much lighter than the Mod 0 CQBR upper). Balance is perfect. With the Aimpoint T-2 it's almost too light. Yes. I like how the 1.93" height of the LT135 offers an unobstructed view over the dbal. It takes some getting used to, but I find it more comfortable now. I'd love to have a Brevis Ultra, but I already have all the infrastructure for AAC suppressors. Plus the M4-2000 is 1/3 of the price of the Brevis. Everything in the pictures (minus the Blackout FH) was acquired while the wife was working. She quit to stay home and raise our boys. I know, go be poor somewhere else and all that...but I have about a $500 limit on the suppressor itself (birthday money). After that, probably won't be making any additions to the armory whatsoever with the exception of a few boxes of ammunition every now and then. I could be 4 months into the approval wait by now, but being the sole provider makes me hesitant; just waiting for some catastrophe to happen at the house or to one of our vehicles Just can't pull the trigger. Yea, sorry about venting all that into this thread...
Back on topic: I was having double feeds out of this one. My gunsmith said it sounded like it wasn't getting enough pressure to cycle. I opened it up and there was a lot of paint inside the upper. I scrubbed it all off and oiled it up. Next weekend I plan to test it with a standard and a heavy buffer, suppressed and unsuppressed to see what works. I was also using .223 when I first shot it. I'm hoping that 5.56 and a slick upper will be hot enough to cycle it. Don't want to have to open the gas port if I don't have to. Dittos on the Brevis. Someday I've got to have one, but...the price. We'll see. Some people having luck with the Vltor A5 extension + flat wire springs for improving cycling over a wider variety of loads and pressures. Really smooths things out without fooling with gas system. More money though. And, hey, your boys are worth it. Good decision. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 2:23:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Anyone used the new vortex 1-8 strike eagle? Looks pretty sick for the price. |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 2:26:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SLRrifleworks:
12.5"http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u601/SLRrifleworks/Mobile%20Uploads/0096F82F-2552-41B5-B4EF-B2C0495D9225_zpsuanmgcgg.jpeghttp://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u601/SLRrifleworks/Mobile%20Uploads/78B53050-CC63-46B1-A0A2-830EC2BD0D47_zpslqub4xuc.jpeghttp://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u601/SLRrifleworks/Mobile%20Uploads/5A75DA68-0D89-42AA-8AD2-2F013A499C79_zpsaeont1ke.jpeg |
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Posted: 6/24/2017 6:53:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wordmahn:
I have the 1x6 and think it's a killer bargain. Peeped through the 1x8 at Cabalas and wasn't impressed. Of course I'd just looked through a Steiner. Anyway, I hated the reticle, but that's a personal preference. For a cheap 1x8 I'm hearing fair reviews of the Primary Arms SFP. 
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Posted: 6/24/2017 7:00:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Was only asking because I was messing around on istrelok and the BDC matches almost perfect for my 11.5 with my 55gr load out to 400 even the windage hash marks line up at 5mph and 10mph. I usuallly hate capped turrets and BDC. But for the price and the looks of it I kind of want one. http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b510/cwm556/1D395851-EEFB-4BF8-B180-7E98883E7AC4_zps6aj90hrq.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Originally Posted By wordmahn:
I have the 1x6 and think it's a killer bargain. Peeped through the 1x8 at Cabalas and wasn't impressed. Of course I'd just looked through a Steiner. Anyway, I hated the reticle, but that's a personal preference. For a cheap 1x8 I'm hearing fair reviews of the Primary Arms SFP. http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b510/cwm556/1D395851-EEFB-4BF8-B180-7E98883E7AC4_zps6aj90hrq.png 
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