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Posted: 10/31/2014 2:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Accuser:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e251/the_accuser/crusader_zpse6bb81af.jpg 12.5" Noveske Crusader....absolutely my favorite firearm I have. This little rifle freakin' rocks!!! A Crusader barrel, Centurion CMR, and a short Ops style reflex can is REALLY starting to sound good. And then another just like it with a Geissele SMR! Guys, anyone got some chrony results from your shorter barrels, especially the 12.5" 5.56 guys? VMPGlenn sent me some of his numbers a long while back and I'm always curious to see what everyone gets. I don't have a chronograph yet so a lot of my entries in ballistic calculators are just guesswork. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2014 3:57:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BC98]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Guys, anyone got some chrony results from your shorter barrels, especially the 12.5" 5.56 guys? VMPGlenn sent me some of his numbers a long while back and I'm always curious to see what everyone gets. I don't have a chronograph yet so a lot of my entries in ballistic calculators are just guesswork. Chrono results from a 12.5" Centurion Arms barrel below. XM193: 2900 fps FGMM 69gr: 2440 fps FGMM 77gr: 2283 fps Mk262 clone (77gr SMK): 2500 fps Hot 5.56 handload: 2600 fps I've got more data somewhere but not on the flashdrive I have with me. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:17:42 PM EDT
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MRP/NOVESKE |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:30:17 PM EDT
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OK, I'll play
DSA ZM4 lower CMMG LPK BCM 12.5" 1:8 SS upper w/BCM BCG DSA steel charging handle UTG Pro 13" FF QR Troy Claymore brake STR Stock MOE grip RVG forward grip Nikon P-223 scope w/Bushnell First Strike micro RDS TLR-1 light 
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:57:01 PM EDT
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Where the hell is PFran with his cool pics?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/31/2014 5:59:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
Where the hell is PFran with his cool pics? yup
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:49:24 PM EDT
[#8]
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5 I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:59:28 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5 I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... its screaming for one  DSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:05:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511: I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5 I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 3:06:15 AM EDT
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Alright kiddos, this is what I could piece together. SDN-6 is still a couple of months out
Why yes, I DO use a toaster for my camera. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/2/2014 11:04:52 AM EDT
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BCM Upper.
BCM BCG Noveske 13.7" stainless barrel Geissele MK4 keymod 13" BE Meyers 249f Raptor CH Troy Flip ups BCM Lower Geissele SSA B5 Sopmod Bravo SWFA SS HD 1-6 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/2/2014 5:01:04 PM EDT
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I am really happy with this set up. It is an incredible shooter, chews up all the crap ammo I have left in my misc ammo can.
All I need to do now is paint it. I am thinking about adding a red dot on the NF, what are your thoughts on if and which one. 
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Posted: 11/2/2014 5:17:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xLucky:
BCM Upper. BCM BCG Noveske 13.7" stainless barrel Geissele MK4 keymod 13" BE Meyers 249f Raptor CH Troy Flip ups BCM Lower Geissele SSA B5 Sopmod Bravo SWFA SS HD 1-6 <a href="http://imgur.com/v2AUT9Q" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/v2AUT9Q.jpg</a> Nice! How's it shoot? I'm really thinking about doing something similar with a 13.7" Rainier UltraMatch or maybe the Noveske. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:29:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xLucky]
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Nice! How's it shoot? I'm really thinking about doing something similar with a 13.7" Rainier UltraMatch or maybe the Noveske. It's great. Could just be me but it feels to be a softer shooter than my old 16" middy, maybe something with the mid length in a shorter barrel gas magic. It handles really well too, a little lighter than my old 16" setup and the weight is more centered because of the shorter barrel. Very happy with it overall, still sad about how much it all cost me...but very please with the rifle itself. May sell the 1-6 here soon and just run a red dot only for weight considerations, and I never really shoot past 200 yds. I definitely recommend a build like this, I went with the noveske over the rainier for the mid length. Here it is wearing the SRS which is how it will probably spend most of the time. Good luck with your build, shoot me a message or email if you have a question, I'm no expert but I may be able to help. 
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Posted: 11/3/2014 1:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xLucky:
Could just be me but it feels to be a softer shooter than my old 16" middy, maybe something with the mid length in a shorter barrel gas magic. Yep. Less dwell time can lead to a softer recoil impulse. This is why the factory 14.5" KAC intermediate length rifles are softer shooting than the factory KAC 16" intermediate length rifles. It's also why bar none the softest shooting 5.56 rifle I've ever fired had a KAC intermediate barrel that was chopped down to 13.5 inches. The difference between that rifle and the next softest 5.56 I've ever shot is nearly night and day - you wouldn't even believe it unless you fired it yourself. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 2:01:21 AM EDT
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I... I shouldn't be in here.
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Posted: 11/3/2014 9:53:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I... I shouldn't be in here. Sure you should. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:15:24 AM EDT
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This is going to cost me some money.
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Posted: 11/3/2014 3:48:41 PM EDT
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Does a magnifier count?
I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.
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Posted: 11/3/2014 3:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azoutdoorsman: Does a magnifier count? I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.  |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2014 4:32:36 PM EDT
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Does this count?
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Posted: 11/3/2014 7:29:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: its screaming for one https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14879400275_03b85e55ea_b.jpgDSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: Originally Posted By Alaska511: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5 I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... its screaming for one https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14879400275_03b85e55ea_b.jpgDSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr That stumpy little bitch is hot. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 7:30:57 PM EDT
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Ill get a better quality pic sometime.
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Posted: 11/3/2014 7:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By azoutdoorsman: Does a magnifier count? I like to be able to take of the magnification to lighten the rifle, if I don't need any kind of precision.  I'll work on a pic soon! |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2014 9:58:53 PM EDT
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It seems this concept has or at least had some traction in the real world.
I saw this posted before somewhere and was able to track it down with some googling. Kyle Defoor calls it a "short recce", scroll down to the 8/30/14 post for a description INFO HERE . Here is the pic he posted. 
I also recall seeing a picture of a HK 416 with the 10.5" barrel (or 10.3" or whatever it is) and a NF 2.5-10x with a bipod. Seems to fit the bill also. |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades: It seems this concept has or at least had some traction in the real world. I saw this posted before somewhere and was able to track it down with some googling. Kyle Defoor calls it a "short recce", scroll down to the 8/30/14 post for a description INFO HERE . Here is the pic he posted. http://41.media.tumblr.com/08c970935b3be3b89d44def0ff25734d/tumblr_nb4lu6YGQy1ruk0n4o1_1280.jpg I also recall seeing a picture of a HK 416 with the 10.5" barrel (or 10.3" or whatever it is) and a NF 2.5-10x with a bipod. Seems to fit the bill also. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2014 10:50:24 PM EDT
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Lovin this thread!
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Posted: 11/3/2014 11:11:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
That stumpy little bitch is hot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Alaska511:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread makes me want to pick up a weaver 1-3x for my 11.5 I knew you would be along. Resistance is futile... its screaming for one https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14879400275_03b85e55ea_b.jpgDSC_4264 by The Dorsal Fin, on Flickr That stumpy little bitch is hot. She's a dirty whore too. Off to look at variables. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 2:44:56 PM EDT
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will a 2.5x qualify my carbine for this thread or does it need to be a variable?
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Posted: 11/4/2014 3:50:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/4/2014 4:00:51 PM EDT
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Quote Historythis thread is: 1.) cooler 2.) shorter than 14.5 barrel in a lot of examples 3.) newer 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2014 4:02:12 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RustedAce:
Ill get a better quality pic sometime.
http://i.imgur.com/DoG1gpn.jpg I plan to re-do my 12.5" with the 9.5" Geissele, it would look exactly like that WAR upper and all. Fuck me that's hot, Geissele needs to hurry up with a 9.5" Mk4 with MLOK |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 4:35:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread is: 1.) cooler 2.) shorter than 14.5 barrel in a lot of examples 3.) newer Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
this thread is: 1.) cooler 2.) shorter than 14.5 barrel in a lot of examples 3.) newer That's what really makes this its own thread. This thread is geared towards SBR RECCEs - shorter than 14.5. My personal favorite RECCEs. 
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Posted: 11/4/2014 5:41:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Finslayer83]
[#36]
So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread....
If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper 1-3/1-4x |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 5:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83: So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread.... If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper 1-3/1-4x |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 5:59:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: I don't think their are any hard and fast rules. Precision from a short field useable weapon is the goal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Originally Posted By Finslayer83: So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread.... If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper 1-3/1-4x |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 6:13:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By plante74:
Not to be the Debbi but I don't think that really flys with the aspect of this thread. But who am I to say. Fin I still love you and your rifles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By plante74:
Originally Posted By jaqufrost:
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
So guys need to know my PA2.5x will qualify for this thread.... If so I'll put it on there, if not I'll pick up a cheaper 1-3/1-4x Fine.... I'll buy a variable.
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Posted: 11/4/2014 6:22:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ironhandjohn]
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You people are evil...
I had a good weekend selling some stuff at the gun show, and find myself getting completely out of .308/7.62 NATO. I have a feeling I'm going to be staring at an empty wallet soon. Finslayer83 is a shooting buddy, and he is the worst kind of enabler... One with really cool toys. That's right, I said "You People"...
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Posted: 11/4/2014 6:32:08 PM EDT
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its not my fault you bought a Glock 34.
back to thread: Weaver V3 1-3x or Vortex Crossfire 1-4x ? Wanting to keep the glass under $200 as the variable will only be used for range fun and the aimpoint for anything else. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 6:37:38 PM EDT
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 Noveske Afghan w/ LaRue 11" rail Burris XTR14  Noveske Afghan w/ LaRue 13" rail Burrsi XTR14 |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2014 6:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
I... I shouldn't be in here. LOL. You crack me up. It's a good concept. I don't have the money to build one though. What if I throw on my variable on an M4gery that has an HBar and is a good shooter? I know. Boring. |
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Posted: 11/4/2014 11:17:54 PM EDT
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Out of curiosity, is a 11" VTAC rail considered Recce-enough? That's what's ony little 14.5" right now, and I've been cruising the EE al day, looking at optics.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2014 11:54:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mblades:
It seems this concept has or at least had some traction in the real world. I saw this posted before somewhere and was able to track it down with some googling. Kyle Defoor calls it a "short recce", scroll down to the 8/30/14 post for a description INFO HERE . Here is the pic he posted. http://41.media.tumblr.com/08c970935b3be3b89d44def0ff25734d/tumblr_nb4lu6YGQy1ruk0n4o1_1280.jpg I also recall seeing a picture of a HK 416 with the 10.5" barrel (or 10.3" or whatever it is) and a NF 2.5-10x with a bipod. Seems to fit the bill also. This is what a Mini or Short Recce should be! Love it, sign me up! |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:20:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ironhandjohn:
Out of curiosity, is a 11" VTAC rail considered Recce-enough? That's what's ony little 14.5" right now, and I've been cruising the EE al day, looking at optics. Sure. I don't think there has been an established parts list other than: 14.5" or shorter Variable optic Free floated handguard Extra points for paint |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:23:32 AM EDT
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PAINT??
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Posted: 11/5/2014 12:27:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511:
PAINT?? Of course. Its liberating - you know you want to give it a lil spray |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:28:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Sure. I don't think there has been an established parts list other than: 14.5" or shorter Variable optic Free floated handguard Extra points for paint Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Finslayer83:
Originally Posted By Ironhandjohn:
Out of curiosity, is a 11" VTAC rail considered Recce-enough? That's what's ony little 14.5" right now, and I've been cruising the EE al day, looking at optics. Sure. I don't think there has been an established parts list other than: 14.5" or shorter Variable optic Free floated handguard Extra points for paint No ACOG's? Or red dot's with a magnifier? |
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Posted: 11/5/2014 1:32:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AR-Ryan21]
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I'd say ACOG (3-4x), maybe.
RDS with a magnifier, no. The RDS/mag combo belongs on a CQB setup to me. ETA - RustedAce posted arguably the sickest rifle in this thread thus far, so that may be why I have a soft spot for ACOGs in here right now.
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