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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:34:51 PM EDT
So I ordered a kitchen scale and took my gun (not all the way) apart. My rifle seems heavy compared to others I have held and compared to what I see in the POST YOUR LIGHTWEIGHT thread.
Here is what I have come up with: units are in oz Standard M4Buttstock 7.6 Bi Pod 10.7 3x magnifier 13.2 Red dot with QD mount 6.75 Inforce weaponlight 4.35 Magpul Rail cover x 2 1.55 Vertical Grip 2.65 13" Seekins BAR Rail 15.1 Complete lower minus buttstock 28.25 BCG 11.55 CH 1.2 Complete upper minus rail, BCG and CH 51.3 153.2 oz 9.575 lbs So if you take away the fluff (3x magnifier, light, rail guards, vertical grip, bipod), I still end up with 7.6 pounds! Is this ok? How do people end up with under 6? I understand my rail is heavier than most, I recently bought a 15" MCSR rail that weighs only 10oz... but that is for my next rifle. My current rifle is a Recce, I plan on changing my M4 stock to an ACS or equiv. and getting rid of my dot/mag and going with a viper PST. With the matchgrade barrel I have is it not possible to get under 6lbs? I understand Recce's need a heavier contour than other government profile builds. Any help would be appreciated. Here is the gun in its current form: 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:40:48 PM EDT
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In order to get under six you will need to get a LW barrel, lighter rail, ditch BUIS, ditch VFG, etc.
The type of Recce you want will never be under 6lbs. imo
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:57:08 PM EDT
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I just went through this exercise recently.... went from 7.75 to 6.1 lbs.
Link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/654490_I_wanna_lose_weight.html . |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:21:13 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a lighter rifle than this one?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:27:42 PM EDT
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Yep, barrel profile will kill you here as well as all the accessories.
Losing all that weight will take away some of the intended functionality of your rifle. Drop what you feel comfortable getting rid of and just accept the weight for what it is once you have everything on there that you need/want accessory wise. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:29:26 PM EDT
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Does anyone have a lighter rifle than this one? http://www.skipd.artin.org/AR-15 Right Side.jpg That thing doesn't look lightweight at all. 
ETA: What's the weight? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:35:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing doesn't look lightweight at all. ETA: What's the weight? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does anyone have a lighter rifle than this one? http://www.skipd.artin.org/AR-15 Right Side.jpg That thing doesn't look lightweight at all. ETA: What's the weight? "
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:39:06 PM EDT
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Barrel and bipod are gonna kill you. Getting down in the 6lb range takes a pretty basic carbine.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:47:18 PM EDT
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It's because it's "floating", hence the " "Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone have a lighter rifle than this one? http://www.skipd.artin.org/AR-15 Right Side.jpg That thing doesn't look lightweight at all.
ETA: What's the weight? "Yep, need to recalibrate my sarcasm meter. 
OP you could always have the barrel reprofiled to save a little more weight. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:52:11 PM EDT
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To get a lighter you need a SBR with a light weight barrel. A Reece rifle build is never really going to be light
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:25:17 PM EDT
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Going to a Billet BALIOS-lite upper and lower set will take 1/4 of a pound off your build.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 12:35:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To get a lighter you need a SBR with a light weight barrel. A Reece rifle build is never really going to be light A Recce can be light just not ultralight, and it will cost you some good money to get it that way. Check out this LW match barrel OP, and I am seriously considering it for my own LW Recce build. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:27:02 AM EDT
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This is not true. A Recce can be light just not ultralight, and it will cost you some good money to get it that way. Check out this LW match barrel OP, and I am seriously considering it for my own LW Recce build. https://www.odinworks.com/223_Wylde_16_1_Carbine_p/b-223-16-ul-ml.htm Quote HistoryQuoted:
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To get a lighter you need a SBR with a light weight barrel. A Reece rifle build is never really going to be light A Recce can be light just not ultralight, and it will cost you some good money to get it that way. Check out this LW match barrel OP, and I am seriously considering it for my own LW Recce build. https://www.odinworks.com/223_Wylde_16_1_Carbine_p/b-223-16-ul-ml.htm In the specs for that barrel they only guarantee 1.5 MOA, isn't that unacceptable for a Recce? My Rainier Match barrel guarantees sub moa. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 8:59:40 AM EDT
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Off-topic portions removed - Eric802
If you want a lightweight rifle build a new rifle that is lightweight. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:17:46 AM EDT
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lose the bipod for sure.
get a lighter scope.. scopes usually weight a ton. iron sights are lightest of course, but instead of red dot and x3 magnifier.. you should go with 1-4x scope(light weight) like a weaver or something. don't go for the high end optic, they usually weigh a ton.. my weaver weighs like 10oz, and PST weight like 16oz... big difference.. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:55:18 AM EDT
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With 1-4 scope my recce is 6.7 pounds. Not sure what it is without. I kinda want to ditch the scope for RDS/eotech to make it lighter.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 12:34:00 PM EDT
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With 1-4 scope my recce is 6.7 pounds. Not sure what it is without. I kinda want to ditch the scope for RDS/eotech to make it lighter. But then you won't have a Recce anymore. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 1:01:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the specs for that barrel they only guarantee 1.5 MOA, isn't that unacceptable for a Recce? My Rainier Match barrel guarantees sub moa. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: To get a lighter you need a SBR with a light weight barrel. A Reece rifle build is never really going to be light A Recce can be light just not ultralight, and it will cost you some good money to get it that way. Check out this LW match barrel OP, and I am seriously considering it for my own LW Recce build. https://www.odinworks.com/223_Wylde_16_1_Carbine_p/b-223-16-ul-ml.htm In the specs for that barrel they only guarantee 1.5 MOA, isn't that unacceptable for a Recce? My Rainier Match barrel guarantees sub moa. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:09:46 PM EDT
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But then you won't have a Recce anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With 1-4 scope my recce is 6.7 pounds. Not sure what it is without. I kinda want to ditch the scope for RDS/eotech to make it lighter. But then you won't have a Recce anymore. No argument from me; most of my shooting is under 100 yards, so the 1-4 scope is lost on me. A RDS would be lighter and serve my purposes. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:30:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO 1.5 MOA from 100-500 is excellent, and better than most people can shoot including myself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: To get a lighter you need a SBR with a light weight barrel. A Reece rifle build is never really going to be light A Recce can be light just not ultralight, and it will cost you some good money to get it that way. Check out this LW match barrel OP, and I am seriously considering it for my own LW Recce build. https://www.odinworks.com/223_Wylde_16_1_Carbine_p/b-223-16-ul-ml.htm In the specs for that barrel they only guarantee 1.5 MOA, isn't that unacceptable for a Recce? My Rainier Match barrel guarantees sub moa. https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3279 |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:35:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are going to pay that why not get the Rainier that is sub MOA? for $50 more, or better yet get a standard lightweight that will be in that 1.5-2moa range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: To get a lighter you need a SBR with a light weight barrel. A Reece rifle build is never really going to be light A Recce can be light just not ultralight, and it will cost you some good money to get it that way. Check out this LW match barrel OP, and I am seriously considering it for my own LW Recce build. https://www.odinworks.com/223_Wylde_16_1_Carbine_p/b-223-16-ul-ml.htm In the specs for that barrel they only guarantee 1.5 MOA, isn't that unacceptable for a Recce? My Rainier Match barrel guarantees sub moa. I do have a Enhanced LW from BCM which is why I have not jumped on the Odin. I believe a stainless barrel will keep within its accuracy more consistent vs a chrome lined so thats why I would get one.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote Historyanother reason 416R Stainless Steel: 416R is a proprietary steel produced by Crucible specifically designed for rifle barrels. The main difference between 416R and standard 416 stainless steels is the addition of Molybdenum (which is present in 410 but not 416 stainless steels) and a lower sulfur content than 416 stainless steel (but still higher than 410 stainless steel). Crucible also states that barrels made from 416R may be safely used at temperatures as low as -40 degrees Fahrenheit. For more information on 416R stainless steel, please see Crucible's 416R Datasheet. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:42:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1lb 14oz not 1.6 its 1lb. 6oz. which would be 1.4125lbs another reason 416R Stainless Steel: 416R is a proprietary steel produced by Crucible specifically designed for rifle barrels. The main difference between 416R and standard 416 stainless steels is the addition of Molybdenum (which is present in 410 but not 416 stainless steels) and a lower sulfur content than 416 stainless steel (but still higher than 410 stainless steel). Crucible also states that barrels made from 416R may be safely used at temperatures as low as -40 degrees Fahrenheit. For more information on 416R stainless steel, please see Crucible's 416R Datasheet. Quote HistoryQuoted: another reason 416R Stainless Steel: 416R is a proprietary steel produced by Crucible specifically designed for rifle barrels. The main difference between 416R and standard 416 stainless steels is the addition of Molybdenum (which is present in 410 but not 416 stainless steels) and a lower sulfur content than 416 stainless steel (but still higher than 410 stainless steel). Crucible also states that barrels made from 416R may be safely used at temperatures as low as -40 degrees Fahrenheit. For more information on 416R stainless steel, please see Crucible's 416R Datasheet. The match barrels from Rainier I see are 2 lbs.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:50:04 PM EDT
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Pencil barrels, My m16a1 is one of the best feeling of all my ARs, she just likes to drift a little when the barrel heats up. Always thought about getting a carbine 14.5 pencil and seeing how light I can go but still have a bad habit of adding crap to them.
I have stated before I still want a sub 7lb rifle that can shoot sub 1moa. with optic capable of accurate 600yd shots, with buis, which will be polymer. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:51:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which barrel is that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: another reason 416R Stainless Steel: 416R is a proprietary steel produced by Crucible specifically designed for rifle barrels. The main difference between 416R and standard 416 stainless steels is the addition of Molybdenum (which is present in 410 but not 416 stainless steels) and a lower sulfur content than 416 stainless steel (but still higher than 410 stainless steel). Crucible also states that barrels made from 416R may be safely used at temperatures as low as -40 degrees Fahrenheit. For more information on 416R stainless steel, please see Crucible's 416R Datasheet. The match barrels from Rainier I see are 2 lbs. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:54:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The match barrels from Rainier I see are 2 lbs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: another reason 416R Stainless Steel: 416R is a proprietary steel produced by Crucible specifically designed for rifle barrels. The main difference between 416R and standard 416 stainless steels is the addition of Molybdenum (which is present in 410 but not 416 stainless steels) and a lower sulfur content than 416 stainless steel (but still higher than 410 stainless steel). Crucible also states that barrels made from 416R may be safely used at temperatures as low as -40 degrees Fahrenheit. For more information on 416R stainless steel, please see Crucible's 416R Datasheet. The match barrels from Rainier I see are 2 lbs. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 3:08:59 PM EDT
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All about weight, accuracy is still directly related. my SPR come in at 9lbs 7oz but shoots .5moa. I have got 1.5moa out of many factory barrels including Armalite, Colt, Bushmaster, Stag, PSA, RRA. I have not built a Reese Style for myself but helped my brother build his starting with PSA upper and it shoots 1-1.5moa.
still have the itch just moved to FALs and shotguns for a while, wish I had gotten the Rainier barrel when they were closer to $200. Waiting to see whaat the PSA Ar-10 uppers are capable of doing. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:34:27 PM EDT
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No argument from me; most of my shooting is under 100 yards, so the 1-4 scope is lost on me. A RDS would be lighter and serve my purposes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With 1-4 scope my recce is 6.7 pounds. Not sure what it is without. I kinda want to ditch the scope for RDS/eotech to make it lighter. But then you won't have a Recce anymore. No argument from me; most of my shooting is under 100 yards, so the 1-4 scope is lost on me. A RDS would be lighter and serve my purposes. True that, but dont forget some scopes have true 1x where you can double the reticle as a red dot. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 10:14:30 PM EDT
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What is this "recce" everyone is talking about to much? Is this the new flavor of the month?
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Posted: 9/18/2014 11:30:03 PM EDT
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What is this "recce" everyone is talking about to much? Is this the new flavor of the month? A little chocolate; a little peanut butter. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 7:15:11 PM EDT
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What is this "recce" everyone is talking about to much? Is this the new flavor of the month? Well, there's a REAL recce-style AR, and there's a recce-type AR. The real thing comes from the SEALs wanting an "intermediate" AR, something between an M4 and a sniper rifle. The SPR, while popular in some circles, isn't a favorite child. A recce rifle is a 16" flat-top (no FSP) with a SS 1/8 precision barrel (originally Lilja). That is really what the original was, and many variants have sprung from there. Even in the Navy (and lesser the Marines) the recce varies greatly. Now it is generally and very broadly a 16" flat-top AR used for intermediate range, so it usually sports a 1-4, 1-6, or 3-9 optic. |
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Posted: 9/19/2014 7:16:06 PM EDT
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True that, but dont forget some scopes have true 1x where you can double the reticle as a red dot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With 1-4 scope my recce is 6.7 pounds. Not sure what it is without. I kinda want to ditch the scope for RDS/eotech to make it lighter. But then you won't have a Recce anymore. No argument from me; most of my shooting is under 100 yards, so the 1-4 scope is lost on me. A RDS would be lighter and serve my purposes. True that, but dont forget some scopes have true 1x where you can double the reticle as a red dot. Yep...need to consider that.... |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:29:48 AM EDT
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Well, there's a REAL recce-style AR, and there's a recce-type AR. The real thing comes from the SEALs wanting an "intermediate" AR, something between an M4 and a sniper rifle. The SPR, while popular in some circles, isn't a favorite child. A recce rifle is a 16" flat-top (no FSP) with a SS 1/8 precision barrel (originally Lilja). That is really what the original was, and many variants have sprung from there. Even in the Navy (and lesser the Marines) the recce varies greatly. Now it is generally and very broadly a 16" flat-top AR used for intermediate range, so it usually sports a 1-4, 1-6, or 3-9 optic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is this "recce" everyone is talking about to much? Is this the new flavor of the month? Well, there's a REAL recce-style AR, and there's a recce-type AR. The real thing comes from the SEALs wanting an "intermediate" AR, something between an M4 and a sniper rifle. The SPR, while popular in some circles, isn't a favorite child. A recce rifle is a 16" flat-top (no FSP) with a SS 1/8 precision barrel (originally Lilja). That is really what the original was, and many variants have sprung from there. Even in the Navy (and lesser the Marines) the recce varies greatly. Now it is generally and very broadly a 16" flat-top AR used for intermediate range, so it usually sports a 1-4, 1-6, or 3-9 optic. Thank you |
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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:38:58 PM EDT
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I am a HBar fan, what the hell am I doing in a lightweight thread?, lol!!! As others have said, reprofile the barrel and a different hand guard or rail will drop the most.
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Posted: 9/21/2014 5:05:33 PM EDT
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Use a Colt semi auto half circle bolt carrier as found in the Sporters and old Match Targets.
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