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Posted: 1/10/2017 11:48:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavaiDavai:
Are there any units using AMBI magazine releases on their MK18's for the Lefties? Individuals have put them on, but there is no issued ambi mag release. I took one off as it keep releasing his magazine as the weapon was slung across his chest and hitting his kit. CD |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:18:12 AM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2017 12:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Individuals have put them on, but there is no issued ambi mag release. I took one off as it keep releasing his magazine as the weapon was slung across his chest and hitting his kit. CD Thanks for the info. If anyone has a pic of a ambi mag release being run, i would love to see it! |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 12:55:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DavaiDavai:
Thanks for the info. If anyone has a pic of a ambi mag release being run, i would love to see it! 
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Posted: 1/11/2017 2:05:27 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8:
That is one weird setup. Is that a peq-16? So he has 2 white lights on his gun? One is none, eh? 
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Posted: 1/11/2017 8:31:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 78Staff]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8:
Norgon for the win baby! One of the few "must haves" on every AR pattern rifle I build. Shame they are so MF-ing expensive.
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Posted: 1/11/2017 8:41:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
That is one weird setup. Is that a peq-16? So he has 2 white lights on his gun? One is none, eh? |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 8:57:34 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
Probably dosnt even use the peq16 white light. I bet it eats the shit out of batteries lol My 16b lasted about as long as one of my 15s but it does take two cr123's vs just one like the 15. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 10:28:06 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8:
My 16b lasted about as long as one of my 15s but it does take two cr123's vs just one like the 15. im still regretting buying the atpial c honestly. I had a chance to buy a used full power unit from an LEO for the same price but didn't because it was black. the c model illum is pretty worthless past about 40 yards |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 11:16:29 PM EDT
[#10]
Used ones turn up every now and then for great prices. I've passed some to bros here.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 8:05:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnySasaki20]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNW:
Used ones turn up every now and then for great prices. I've passed some to bros here. Used full power peq-15's? How much do those go for? Edit: Nvm. Seems a bit steep for a peq15a. 
Ebay peq15a - $2700 "Ships from Moscow, Russian Federation" Seems legit. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 11:51:19 AM EDT
[#12]
What's the IR range on the ATPIAL versus the civilian version?
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Posted: 1/12/2017 11:54:48 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rloba:
What's the IR range on the ATPIAL versus the civilian version? chump change compared to the 39km range on the izlid 200p. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 11:58:27 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
chump change compared to the 39km range on the izlid 200p. Jesus... I've always wanted to stretch my rifle out to 24 miles, maybe this will get it there
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 1:31:16 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedFerret:
chump change compared to the 39km range on the izlid 200p. That's only 195mW. The La-5c is 200mW, right? I want the MAWL-DA. Looks just about perfect imo. |
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Posted: 1/12/2017 4:05:27 PM EDT
[#16]
I "might" have access to a VITAL-100 and the 100mw output is like a lightsaber compared to my ATPIAL C. It's not really usable but it is freaking cool.......
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Posted: 1/12/2017 4:16:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By compuvette:
I "might" have access to a VITAL-100 and the 100mw output is like a lightsaber compared to my ATPIAL C. It's not really usable but it is freaking cool....... The PEQ-2As can do a pretty good laser light show when its foggy out... not practical and one isn't really calling in a CCA or CAS stateside... but I totally dig it... |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2017 5:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carmodyh:
The PEQ-2As can do a pretty good laser light show when its foggy out... not practical and one isn't really calling in a CCA or CAS stateside... but I totally dig it... I dig it too. Frankly, the visible lasers are better in fog imo, simply because the color they give off basically NEVER gets translated correctly in a photo or video, and the color you do actually see is friggin' mesmerizing. Take these for example;  " />
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In those photo's, the red you see really isn't even close to what I'm seeing in person, especially at night. Now, with nods on, you will almost definitely be able to see the IR laser better, assuming the mW are the same (at least that's what I've found), so you don't really need fog to see a relatively low power IR beam, but the catch is its only going to show up a slightly different shade of green because of the nods. Still very cool, but fog + high power visible laser = awesome. 
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Posted: 1/12/2017 5:53:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By carmodyh:
The PEQ-2As can do a pretty good laser light show when its foggy out... not practical and one isn't really calling in a CCA or CAS stateside... but I totally dig it... You wouldn't let me call in CAS at our last shoot... ...Just got the nt4 mounted  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/12/2017 8:35:35 PM EDT
[#20]
The form 1 was finally approved. This is my first SBR and I'm pretty stoked. Now I'm just waiting for the AAC M4 2000 to clear. Should be another month or so.
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Posted: 1/12/2017 8:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/DSC_0334_zpscwfdlzhe.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Finding a SU-231 is tough nowadays. Finding a SU-231a is nearly impossible.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii33/perrymclovin/DSC_0334_zpscwfdlzhe.jpg  I had one of these on a 1.5 m4 build and sold it in the eotech buyback. Made a shit ton of money but regret it.
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Posted: 1/12/2017 9:03:47 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CSAKing:
I had one of these on a 1.5 m4 build and sold it in the eotech buyback. Made a shit ton of money but regret it.
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Posted: 1/12/2017 11:47:10 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATravis11b:
The form 1 was finally approved. This is my first SBR and I'm pretty stoked. Now I'm just waiting for the AAC M4 2000 to clear. Should be another month or so. Nice. The AAC is a good can, I have one. You're going to regret not getting the SF though
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Posted: 1/13/2017 1:51:44 AM EDT
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wondering if you guys could offer some help. i own the DBAL-A3 and it seems around the same price as the APTIL-C. i like the green laser on the DBAL over the red as it is more powerful and easier to pick up. however the APTIAL is the more correct unit and looks better IMO, should i stick with the DBAL? is it a better technical unit? or try to post up a straight trade offer for a APTIL? just looking for insight if its worth it to try to trade up or just stick with what i have.
here is my current setup. 
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Posted: 1/13/2017 1:57:29 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNW:
Nice. The AAC is a good can, I have one. You're going to regret not getting the SF though Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TNW:
Originally Posted By ATravis11b:
The form 1 was finally approved. This is my first SBR and I'm pretty stoked. Now I'm just waiting for the AAC M4 2000 to clear. Should be another month or so. Nice. The AAC is a good can, I have one. You're going to regret not getting the SF though I wont regret not getting a SF can
Serious question what's the deal with wmx200s going for $700 on ebay? |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 4:55:30 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cjwwd2:
If you're going to shoot suppressed all the time I would just buy a brake to use as a sacrificial baffle. Just don't take your suppressor off so we'll know  Surefire pretty much debunked the FH vs Brake as sacrificial baffle for typical use, ie under 10K rounds, IIRC? Of course shooting a can on a 10.3" is very different than shooting one on a typical non_SBR length barrel too. I imagine a MB on an un-suppressed MK18 would be plenty loud lol. I *think* I decided to use a FH for time being and when my SOCOM got approved I would look at switching over to a MB, but it's been so long I've forgotten (252 days and counting)
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Posted: 1/13/2017 8:36:36 AM EDT
[#27]
Fuck a brake on 10.3.
the flash signature is insane and it rattles the teeth out of your head, you need to double up on ear pro and you won't make to many friends at the range. i bought into the sac baffle idea to king I'll always shoot suppressed but in reality I enjoy my gun being really short from time to time. plus clone correct and all lol. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:48:01 AM EDT
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How is the SF WARCOMP on the life of the SF SOCOM RC 5.56 Life Spand on shorting the life of the SF SOCOM life Flasher vs Muzzle Brake?
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Posted: 1/13/2017 2:50:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2017 3:20:45 PM EDT
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And yes, MB was a mistake on my part. I never want to shoot without the can. But finding a legacy FH...
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2017 3:44:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#31]
How does that magnifier not poke your eye out? But that is a sweeeeeet gun.
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Posted: 1/13/2017 4:00:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGreatDanton:
You wouldn't let me call in CAS at our last shoot... ...Just got the nt4 mounted https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/350996/IMG-7036-124423.JPG ha, next time then... you're upper looks sick. Next time we shoot i'd love to hear that NT4... despite the weight, the low tone pitch is the bees knees |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 4:11:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
How does that magnifier not poke your eye out? But that is a sweeeeeet gun. Well I never run the stock that close in, so it's never been an issue. Wish I could afford the flip to side mount though. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 4:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 78Staff:
Surefire pretty much debunked the FH vs Brake as sacrificial baffle for typical use, ie under 10K rounds, IIRC? Of course shooting a can on a 10.3" is very different than shooting one on a typical non_SBR length barrel too. I imagine a MB on an un-suppressed MK18 would be plenty loud lol. I *think* I decided to use a FH for time being and when my SOCOM got approved I would look at switching over to a MB, but it's been so long I've forgotten (252 days and counting) source on that please. Would like some reading material 
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Posted: 1/13/2017 6:09:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tinythief:
source on that please. Would like some reading material Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tinythief:
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Surefire pretty much debunked the FH vs Brake as sacrificial baffle for typical use, ie under 10K rounds, IIRC? Of course shooting a can on a 10.3" is very different than shooting one on a typical non_SBR length barrel too. I imagine a MB on an un-suppressed MK18 would be plenty loud lol. I *think* I decided to use a FH for time being and when my SOCOM got approved I would look at switching over to a MB, but it's been so long I've forgotten (252 days and counting) source on that please. Would like some reading material When we had the SF Reps in the shop for a demo and products training, I recall them say that using a brake does extend the life of the can by roughly 10k rounds. This was right before the SOCOM 2 was being released so, that's all I personally remember. I'm not sure if that's under normal civilian use or under some type of Gov/Mil testing procedures though but, I do remember them saying 10k rounds. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 6:49:02 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jBoy723:
When we had the SF Reps in the shop for a demo and products training, I recall them say that using a brake does extend the life of the can by roughly 10k rounds. This was right before the SOCOM 2 was being released so, that's all I personally remember. I'm not sure if that's under normal civilian use or under some type of Gov/Mil testing procedures though but, I do remember them saying 10k rounds. thank you, that would help a lot for decision on my sbr |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 6:58:07 PM EDT
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So technical question.
Why does SOCOM pay $1860 for a Block II upper? What makes them cost so much more than a COTS DD upper. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 7:08:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
Fuck a brake on 10.3. the flash signature is insane and it rattles the teeth out of your head, you need to double up on ear pro and you won't make to many friends at the range. i bought into the sac baffle idea to king I'll always shoot suppressed but in reality I enjoy my gun being really short from time to time. plus clone correct and all lol. Yeah now that I got a SF4P really not looking to change, to be honest. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 7:09:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
So technical question. Why does SOCOM pay $1860 for a Block II upper? What makes them cost so much more than a COTS DD upper. Where'd you get your info from? |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 7:10:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jBoy723:
When we had the SF Reps in the shop for a demo and products training, I recall them say that using a brake does extend the life of the can by roughly 10k rounds. This was right before the SOCOM 2 was being released so, that's all I personally remember. I'm not sure if that's under normal civilian use or under some type of Gov/Mil testing procedures though but, I do remember them saying 10k rounds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By tinythief:
Originally Posted By 78Staff:
Surefire pretty much debunked the FH vs Brake as sacrificial baffle for typical use, ie under 10K rounds, IIRC? Of course shooting a can on a 10.3" is very different than shooting one on a typical non_SBR length barrel too. I imagine a MB on an un-suppressed MK18 would be plenty loud lol. I *think* I decided to use a FH for time being and when my SOCOM got approved I would look at switching over to a MB, but it's been so long I've forgotten (252 days and counting) source on that please. Would like some reading material When we had the SF Reps in the shop for a demo and products training, I recall them say that using a brake does extend the life of the can by roughly 10k rounds. This was right before the SOCOM 2 was being released so, that's all I personally remember. I'm not sure if that's under normal civilian use or under some type of Gov/Mil testing procedures though but, I do remember them saying 10k rounds. I don't have official SF source - it's been discussed on this board and others a few times - however, based on what JBoy mentioned, it appears someone may have mis-understood the 10K number as well. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 7:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ozgood03:
Where'd you get your info from? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ozgood03:
Originally Posted By joglee:
So technical question. Why does SOCOM pay $1860 for a Block II upper? What makes them cost so much more than a COTS DD upper. Where'd you get your info from? People in the know posted that in the M27 IAR thread that got locked in GD. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 7:19:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: joglee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ozgood03:
Where'd you get your info from? GS5414 has mentioned it several times being the cost SOCOM pays for Block II Mk18 uppers. With a M4A1 costing the Army $638, I was just wondering how a rail, gas block, and shorter barrel could be that much. Especially when a DD MK18 Block II upper can be purchased for $980. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 9:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joglee:
GS5414 has mentioned it several times being the cost SOCOM pays for Block II Mk18 uppers. With a M4A1 costing the Army $638, I was just wondering how a rail, gas block, and shorter barrel could be that much. Especially when a DD MK18 Block II upper can be purchased for $980. I don't know about that. I paid about 1600 for a complete DD mk18 back in 2012, and that has a black rail on it. Also consider that DD rifles have basically ZERO in common with .mil issued guns besides the rail. Maybe CD will chime in, but I'd imagine they order parts from Colt, the rail from DD, some other parts from other companies, and then assemble them at Crane or something. I really have no idea, but I imagine it raises the price. That all doesn't even count for the .government usually paying like 10 times what something is actually worth.
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Posted: 1/13/2017 9:28:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By White_knight:
wondering if you guys could offer some help. i own the DBAL-A3 and it seems around the same price as the APTIL-C. i like the green laser on the DBAL over the red as it is more powerful and easier to pick up. however the APTIAL is the more correct unit and looks better IMO, should i stick with the DBAL? is it a better technical unit? or try to post up a straight trade offer for a APTIL? just looking for insight if its worth it to try to trade up or just stick with what i have. here is my current setup. https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/521/31436783954_37fde70359_b.jpg cheers guys. This is a clone thread. ATPIAL-C is the correct answer. Your clone will never look right from 100yds away until you change that. The DBAL looks dumb. Atpial works great. Who cares what the vis laser looks like, it's simply there to help you zero the IR laser. Also, needs less brake and moar flash hider. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 9:51:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnySasaki20]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooled:
Fuck a brake on 10.3. the flash signature is insane and it rattles the teeth out of your head, you need to double up on ear pro and you won't make to many friends at the range. i bought into the sac baffle idea to king I'll always shoot suppressed but in reality I enjoy my gun being really short from time to time. plus clone correct and all lol. Yeah, I hear you, dude. This is actually one of the relatively small fireballs I caught whilst shooting with a SF break without a suppressor: <img src="  " />
I have video of 3 rounds knocking my camera over too, lol. And yes, I do have earplugs in, as well as the ear muffs, and it's still pretty loud. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:23:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
[#46]
SOCOM pays NAS Crane $1796.00 for 1005-01-621-6031, RAIL INTERFACE SYSTEM II,10.3" Don't think that includes the suppressor. That's just an upper assembled by the Crane employees of sum parts. Here's the break down of major upper parts (source FED LOG of NSNs).
1005-01-233-8529 $130.00 14.5" Govt profile bbl 1005-01-382-6795 $67.96 Upper receiver, flat top, M4 feed ramps stripped 1005-01-441-1619 $84.04 Ass, Bolt Carrier with Key 1005-01-473-1410 $175.74 Front Sight, Folding KAC 1005-01-505-1035 $72.08 Bolt, Breech Ass 1005-01-547-2624 $539.30 RIS II M4A1 1005-01-548-1385 $435.56 RIS II Mk18 1005-01-597-1170 $26.81 Gas Block 1005-01-597-2340 $28.00 Forward Sling Mount 1005-01-599-7048 $103.20 Flash Hinder, FH556RC-1/2-28 (SF4P) 1005-01-460-3249 $83.36 Flash Hinder, QDSS (KAC) Only think Gov't pays lots on is the rail. Most of the others are inline with commerical vendors (for the parts you can get). Some of you pay more for the SF4P but paid less for the RIS II. No wonder Crane wanted me to issue out the serial number uppers they built! Cheaper for me the armorer to assemble the parts. CD |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By H1H0AG:
Well I never run the stock that close in, so it's never been an issue. Wish I could afford the flip to side mount though. Aaaaah. Makes sense. I also notice you have something covering the cheek side of your buttstock. Does that thing pull the hairs on your face? I would have to put a piece of tape over that part. But I've always wanted one of those. |
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Posted: 1/13/2017 10:54:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
[SNIP] 1005-01-599-7048 $103.20 Flash Hider, FH556RC-1/2-28 (SF4P) CD $103.20!! I'm jealous! 
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Posted: 1/14/2017 1:13:25 AM EDT
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Went and shot my CQBR today finally, after switching to my milspec DD barrel, and MK12 gas block, and my spent brass is ejecting at 1-2 o'clock when suppressed. Is this normal? If not, how would I fix it?
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Posted: 1/14/2017 2:24:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: joglee]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver:
SOCOM pays NAS Crane $1796.00 for 1005-01-621-6031, RAIL INTERFACE SYSTEM II,10.3" Don't think that includes the suppressor. That's just an upper assembled by the Crane employees of sum parts. Here's the break down of major upper parts (source FED LOG of NSNs). 1005-01-233-8529 $130.00 14.5" Govt profile bbl 1005-01-382-6795 $67.96 Upper receiver, flat top, M4 feed ramps stripped 1005-01-441-1619 $84.04 Ass, Bolt Carrier with Key 1005-01-473-1410 $175.74 Front Sight, Folding KAC 1005-01-505-1035 $72.08 Bolt, Breech Ass 1005-01-547-2624 $539.30 RIS II M4A1 1005-01-548-1385 $435.56 RIS II Mk18 1005-01-597-1170 $26.81 Gas Block 1005-01-597-2340 $28.00 Forward Sling Mount 1005-01-599-7048 $103.20 Flash Hinder, FH556RC-1/2-28 (SF4P) 1005-01-460-3249 $83.36 Flash Hinder, QDSS (KAC) Only think Gov't pays lots on is the rail. Most of the others are inline with commerical vendors (for the parts you can get). Some of you pay more for the SF4P but paid less for the RIS II. No wonder Crane wanted me to issue out the serial number uppers they built! Cheaper for me the armorer to assemble the parts. CD Why are the rails so much? Also when they price it out as $1,700 does that include both the RIS II variants at the same time? Just looking that list over you're looking at closer to $1,100 for all that plus just one rail, but $1,700 for both rails. However I don't know how it works for charging for assembly lol, but still $600 for assembly seems insane. Thanks for the info BTW. |
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