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Posted: 1/3/2016 6:45:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sweatpants:
Is there more than one picture of it in use? Trying to gauge what's kosher. I see people cherry picking variances from issued gear constantly but not the entire rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sweatpants:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
DEFINITELY not defending his poor excuse of a Mk18 clone, but just wanted to spread the word, the WML is in use. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5764/24072033291_7f37a7d238_o.jpg Is there more than one picture of it in use? Trying to gauge what's kosher. I see people cherry picking variances from issued gear constantly but not the entire rifle. Yeah there is more than that one. I'll see if I can hunt em down ETA this one is a 14.5 block 1.5, which as you know is basically a B1 that uses block 2 accessories/unit dependent parts commonly seen-on B2's. There are more on CQBRs as well, but honestly I have too many pics to look through all day. 
And because CQBR thread 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 6:58:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
I have IR/white WML and its meh in my opinion. The white light is decent on the high setting but I don't like that it has a low setting. The IR light is pretty good for indoor use but isn't enough for outdoor use. IR isn't terrible outdoors, but it isn't the best either. ....with all the butthurt, are we going to start up the 10.3"v10.5" LMT debate again 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 7:40:00 PM EDT
[#3]
At 5,000 rounds I started jamming. About 4,500 were suppressed through this upper. Maybe 12,000-15,000 through the lower.
This is upper: 
Charging Handle - I used a tool to scratch the carbon off. This is before I dumped it all out 
Upper - Used same tool to scrap the carbon out the upper. I turned the upper like this and dumped it out 
Charging Handle Area Cleaned: 
Shot the gas rings out again - old ones: 
Trigger: 
Hammer (SSF): 
SSF Trigger: 
SSF Wiped down: 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 7:43:54 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
At 5,000 rounds I started jamming. About 4,500 were suppressed through this upper. Maybe 12,000-15,000 through the lower. This is upper: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdtcd" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/24049986822_bfb67225b8_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle - I used a tool to scratch the carbon off. This is before I dumped it all out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsYZD" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1538/24075451631_77d34860eb_c.jpg</a> Upper - Used same tool to scrap the carbon out the upper. I turned the upper like this and dumped it out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsANu" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/24131959456_5dd7c37177_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle Area Cleaned: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdnCh" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1474/24049968092_4242ef1afc_c.jpg</a> Shot the gas rings out again - old ones: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BRnR6T" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1649/23531257713_3fa2595bd3_c.jpg</a> Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsNHM" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1587/24075417071_ded0f3d0fb_c.jpg</a> Hammer (SSF): <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsPj6" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24075419061_5692aedb5d_c.jpg</a> SSF Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsqZw" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/24131926456_8bf4eb45a4_c.jpg</a> SSF Wiped down: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Cfg2b4" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1540/23790205219_f78eb4afa8_c.jpg</a> Impossible! Everybody knows AR's don't work unless you clean them after every range session. 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 7:48:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
At 5,000 rounds I started jamming. About 4,500 were suppressed through this upper. Maybe 12,000-15,000 through the lower. This is upper: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdtcd" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/24049986822_bfb67225b8_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle - I used a tool to scratch the carbon off. This is before I dumped it all out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsYZD" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1538/24075451631_77d34860eb_c.jpg</a> Upper - Used same tool to scrap the carbon out the upper. I turned the upper like this and dumped it out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsANu" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/24131959456_5dd7c37177_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle Area Cleaned: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdnCh" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1474/24049968092_4242ef1afc_c.jpg</a> Shot the gas rings out again - old ones: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BRnR6T" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1649/23531257713_3fa2595bd3_c.jpg</a> Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsNHM" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1587/24075417071_ded0f3d0fb_c.jpg</a> Hammer (SSF): <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsPj6" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24075419061_5692aedb5d_c.jpg</a> SSF Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsqZw" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/24131926456_8bf4eb45a4_c.jpg</a> SSF Wiped down: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Cfg2b4" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1540/23790205219_f78eb4afa8_c.jpg</a>  
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:04:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
IR isn't terrible outdoors, but it isn't the best either. ....with all the butthurt, are we going to start up the 10.3"v10.5" LMT debate again
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RifleManWI:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
I have IR/white WML and its meh in my opinion. The white light is decent on the high setting but I don't like that it has a low setting. The IR light is pretty good for indoor use but isn't enough for outdoor use. IR isn't terrible outdoors, but it isn't the best either. ....with all the butthurt, are we going to start up the 10.3"v10.5" LMT debate again
I'm with AZ, the switch is the real pain point for me on the W/IR model. I don't care for the low/high functionality garbage. As for butthurt, I guess the thread needs more 11.5 stainless barrels with Lite rails, DD fixed sights, and piston retrofits. 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:06:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Impossible! Everybody knows AR's don't work unless you clean them after every range session. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
At 5,000 rounds I started jamming. About 4,500 were suppressed through this upper. Maybe 12,000-15,000 through the lower. This is upper: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdtcd" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/24049986822_bfb67225b8_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle - I used a tool to scratch the carbon off. This is before I dumped it all out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsYZD" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1538/24075451631_77d34860eb_c.jpg</a> Upper - Used same tool to scrap the carbon out the upper. I turned the upper like this and dumped it out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsANu" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/24131959456_5dd7c37177_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle Area Cleaned: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdnCh" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1474/24049968092_4242ef1afc_c.jpg</a> Shot the gas rings out again - old ones: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BRnR6T" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1649/23531257713_3fa2595bd3_c.jpg</a> Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsNHM" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1587/24075417071_ded0f3d0fb_c.jpg</a> Hammer (SSF): <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsPj6" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24075419061_5692aedb5d_c.jpg</a> SSF Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsqZw" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/24131926456_8bf4eb45a4_c.jpg</a> SSF Wiped down: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Cfg2b4" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1540/23790205219_f78eb4afa8_c.jpg</a> Impossible! Everybody knows AR's don't work unless you clean them after every range session. Got to use my forward assist a few times. The BCG was pathetic trying to close when I hit the bolt release. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:07:36 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sweatpants:
I'm with AZ, the switch is the real pain point for me on the W/IR model. I don't care for the low/high functionality garbage. As for butthurt, I guess the thread needs more 11.5 stainless barrels with Lite rails, DD fixed sights, and piston retrofits. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sweatpants:
Originally Posted By RifleManWI:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
I have IR/white WML and its meh in my opinion. The white light is decent on the high setting but I don't like that it has a low setting. The IR light is pretty good for indoor use but isn't enough for outdoor use. IR isn't terrible outdoors, but it isn't the best either. ....with all the butthurt, are we going to start up the 10.3"v10.5" LMT debate again
I'm with AZ, the switch is the real pain point for me on the W/IR model. I don't care for the low/high functionality garbage. As for butthurt, I guess the thread needs more 11.5 stainless barrels with Lite rails, DD fixed sights, and piston retrofits. I actually loved the switch. And the high mode was the first to turn on, low mode was the pain in the ass to get to. It's a well thought out light minus the polymer issue. But it is no surefire. Not even close. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:11:50 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Got to use my forward assist a few times. The BCG was pathetic trying to close when I hit the bolt release. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
At 5,000 rounds I started jamming. About 4,500 were suppressed through this upper. Maybe 12,000-15,000 through the lower. This is upper: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdtcd" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/24049986822_bfb67225b8_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle - I used a tool to scratch the carbon off. This is before I dumped it all out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsYZD" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1538/24075451631_77d34860eb_c.jpg</a> Upper - Used same tool to scrap the carbon out the upper. I turned the upper like this and dumped it out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsANu" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/24131959456_5dd7c37177_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle Area Cleaned: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdnCh" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1474/24049968092_4242ef1afc_c.jpg</a> Shot the gas rings out again - old ones: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BRnR6T" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1649/23531257713_3fa2595bd3_c.jpg</a> Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsNHM" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1587/24075417071_ded0f3d0fb_c.jpg</a> Hammer (SSF): <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsPj6" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24075419061_5692aedb5d_c.jpg</a> SSF Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsqZw" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/24131926456_8bf4eb45a4_c.jpg</a> SSF Wiped down: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Cfg2b4" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1540/23790205219_f78eb4afa8_c.jpg</a> Impossible! Everybody knows AR's don't work unless you clean them after every range session. Got to use my forward assist a few times. The BCG was pathetic trying to close when I hit the bolt release. LOL, reminds me of when I bought a POS nickel boron FA BCG. I couldn't even get the fucking thing into battery without ass loads of lubrication and 30 firm hits on the forward assist. MIL-SPEC parts 4 lyfe. Hell, Colt parts 4 lyfe. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:15:24 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Loving the variety. Every one is set to a different configuration. All have different stocks (first time I've personally seen that magpul ACS on one, if that's what it is), there's different sling mounts, different optics, different lights, etc. But dem faulty Eotechs doe.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WM46b-V7O5Y/VNzpILNcPyI/AAAAAAAABKY/LDGhmvvty4c/w245-h245/tumblr_mqui06ErT71qkgh4go3_250.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
DEFINITELY not defending his poor excuse of a Mk18 clone, but just wanted to spread the word, the WML is in use. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5764/24072033291_7f37a7d238_o.jpg Loving the variety. Every one is set to a different configuration. All have different stocks (first time I've personally seen that magpul ACS on one, if that's what it is), there's different sling mounts, different optics, different lights, etc. But dem faulty Eotechs doe.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WM46b-V7O5Y/VNzpILNcPyI/AAAAAAAABKY/LDGhmvvty4c/w245-h245/tumblr_mqui06ErT71qkgh4go3_250.gif Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:48:58 PM EDT
[#12]
It's a clone thread, not a variety or functionality thread. You are so hurt by the QD cups, good grief.
Hunting down the CORRECT parts is part of the challenge and fun. Clones are never on the edge of technology advances. It's not just about the weapon system, it's also about where they are used and who uses them. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 8:49:15 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
At 5,000 rounds I started jamming. About 4,500 were suppressed through this upper. Maybe 12,000-15,000 through the lower. This is upper: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdtcd" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1717/24049986822_bfb67225b8_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle - I used a tool to scratch the carbon off. This is before I dumped it all out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsYZD" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1538/24075451631_77d34860eb_c.jpg</a> Upper - Used same tool to scrap the carbon out the upper. I turned the upper like this and dumped it out <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsANu" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1484/24131959456_5dd7c37177_c.jpg</a> Charging Handle Area Cleaned: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CDdnCh" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1474/24049968092_4242ef1afc_c.jpg</a> Shot the gas rings out again - old ones: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/BRnR6T" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1649/23531257713_3fa2595bd3_c.jpg</a> Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsNHM" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1587/24075417071_ded0f3d0fb_c.jpg</a> Hammer (SSF): <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFsPj6" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1673/24075419061_5692aedb5d_c.jpg</a> SSF Trigger: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/CLsqZw" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1682/24131926456_8bf4eb45a4_c.jpg</a> SSF Wiped down: <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Cfg2b4" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1540/23790205219_f78eb4afa8_c.jpg</a> That is awesome! |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:05:11 PM EDT
[#14]
I don't build my guns to make people stop and look at them. In fact, it's a compliment if it looks like every other gun because that's the point.
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:09:47 PM EDT
[#15]
"So hurt by the QD cups?" Lol. I'm just pointing out one of the
 'est comments recently made in here, how trivial it (and other stuff) is, and how someone's rifle can be more functional with that insanely minute variation.
And what it's about for you may not be the exact same for me or the next guy. It's why I solely share strong words in here with those posting CQTRs, and those douching the place up over insanely trivial stuff that should be treated as nothing more than personal preference. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:27:39 PM EDT
[#16]
Guess the irony is just a little too thick for me. That one member who has posted pics of his issued CQBR in here...it looks NOTHING like the usual suspect rigs. Nothing at all. The guy has configured his rifle the way it's most functional for him. He rightfully doesn't get any flack for it, and he shouldn't be the sole exception.
We aren't all engaging tangos with these setups, but some of us still use them damn hard. They should be functional for our own styles as well. It's no different. I don't fault those wanting a standard issued look. Some others just want something a bit different. No reason at all that should be a problem. They aren't all the same in the wild either. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:31:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I don't build my guns to make people stop and look at them. In fact, it's a compliment if it looks like every other gun because that's the point.
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/CFAjFD" target="_blank">https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1643/24076883651_55a6461af5_c.jpg</a> I don't think anyone is looking at the gun 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:37:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in.
Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time. 
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:49:49 PM EDT
[#19]
If you want to use T2's, MRO's, wrong stocks, wrong barrels, etc., there are lots of other threads. SBR pic thread, RISII thread. Why some people insist on being belligerant about a faithful replica of an issued weapon vs. their personal preference. Buy an ACS, they have qd cups.
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Posted: 1/3/2016 9:53:55 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy: For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in. Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy: Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21: Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in. Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:02:04 PM EDT
[#21]
It appears some are missing the point. Oh well. Can't reach em all.
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:07:15 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
It appears some are missing the point. Oh well. Can't reach em all. Yep. I appreciate your posts and feel the same way you do. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:29:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
It appears some are missing the point. Oh well. Can't reach em all. I was under the impression the lack of QD sockets on my SOPMOD increased my speed, agility, and hit probablity to unbenounced levels. I guess you could say I'm basically tier one.....
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:33:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
DEFINITELY not defending his poor excuse of a Mk18 clone, but just wanted to spread the word, the WML is in use. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5764/24072033291_7f37a7d238_o.jpg Loving the variety. Every one is set to a different configuration. All have different stocks (first time I've personally seen that magpul ACS on one, if that's what it is), there's different sling mounts, different optics, different lights, etc. But dem faulty Eotechs doe.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WM46b-V7O5Y/VNzpILNcPyI/AAAAAAAABKY/LDGhmvvty4c/w245-h245/tumblr_mqui06ErT71qkgh4go3_250.gif Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). This is pretty much my exact feelings on this thread as well. I understand that if you give an inch, people will take a mile, and it will get out of hand quickly (with people posting rifles with nearly 0 clone parts), but you should be allowed some leeway with certain things, as you said. I can understand if someone wants to run a gen 1 lmt sopmod because of cloning correctness. If that's literally the only thing you're doing this for, then have at it hoss, but if you want a "clone" that is functional for YOU, so you can actually go out and use it without having to severely adjust or even handicap your shooting style, then you should also be allowed to do that as well (again, within reason) without someone else pushing their idea of what your rifle should look like down your throat. Hell, you don't see me bitching at everyone who isn't running LA-5's, su230's, and 4p's, do you? If you want clone correctness, everyone needs FA lowers! LOL. There'd be like 3 people in this thread. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:33:47 PM EDT
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[#25]
Damn double post....
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:45:41 PM EDT
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[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy: For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in. Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy: Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21: Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in. Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time. Required edit for page ownage:  |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 10:53:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in.
Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time.
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Posted: 1/3/2016 11:34:28 PM EDT
[#28]
You guys need to drink more and post naked. You're killing my vibe.
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Posted: 1/3/2016 11:42:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy:
You guys need to drink more and post naked. You're killing my vibe. You September 13ers are a bunch of undisciplined cowboys. Let me tell you somethin', Sgt. When we get to the ten yard line you're gonna need my Dec 13er's. We're done here. |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 11:42:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Required edit for page ownage: <a href="http://s358.photobucket.com/user/emailryandavis/media/with%20taupe_zpstspvu8tx.png.html" target="_blank">http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/emailryandavis/with%20taupe_zpstspvu8tx.png</a> <a href="http://s358.photobucket.com/user/emailryandavis/media/4p20up20close_zpszqqtst5j.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/emailryandavis/4p20up20close_zpszqqtst5j.jpg</a> Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yep. These are the kind of pics that actually do it for me, and that's why. The standard issued/more common configurations look so blah to me now. It was PFran's completed CQBR that made me come to that conclusion. I remember all the praise his rig was getting, and I found myself thinking nothing but "it just looks like every other CQBR - boring." Mind you, I realize why he was getting so much praise. Because he put together as close to a clone as possible (minus the lower). I at least get the appreciation for that aspect of cloning. I just don't get why we would want or expect everyone's rigs to look the same around here. How boring. If that's what you're into, by all means. Those types only bother me when they're harassing others about minute stuff that would yield the rifle less functional for that particular user. Like giving someone shit for having the correct stock just because it happens to have QD cups. People who regularly train with and use QD cups in their stocks are going to have a less functional setup without those QD cups. Just like how someone who has exclusively run a particular grip on every AR would have a less functional rifle without that grip. When it comes to barrel length, handguard, and some other obvious stuff, it's one thing. But when people are being nitpicked over trivial shit that would yield their rig less functional for them, it's time to STFU. For me, even just small variations in some rigs make a world of difference. Like how TinyCrumb's CQBR upper is pretty much just like every other one, BUT, he has a Grip Stop. That alone makes me actually stop and look at his pics. I dig the variation. And I get the clone thing at its core, but I don't get why we should all have identical setups. Those issued these rifles are given the freedom to run the accessories that work best for them. Shouldn't be any different here (within obvious reason). For some, shooting their rifles (function over fashion) is a priority. For others, shooting pics of their rifles and posting about them (fashion over function) is a priority. I know which group you are in.
Maybe the clone police will get this thread shutdown again, just like the last clone thread. I hope they don't, but kinda hope they do at the same time.
Required edit for page ownage: <a href="http://s358.photobucket.com/user/emailryandavis/media/with%20taupe_zpstspvu8tx.png.html" target="_blank">http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/emailryandavis/with%20taupe_zpstspvu8tx.png</a> <a href="http://s358.photobucket.com/user/emailryandavis/media/4p20up20close_zpszqqtst5j.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/emailryandavis/4p20up20close_zpszqqtst5j.jpg</a> I always dig this paint. Kinda reminds me of one of Jeff Hannemans guitars. Flecktarn maybe? |
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Posted: 1/3/2016 11:55:17 PM EDT
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I always dig this paint. Kinda reminds me of one of Jeff Hannemans guitars. Flecktarn maybe? It's just my best attempt to spray something useful for my local area. Tried my best to incorporate fitting colors, countershading, and disruptive techniques. |
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:05:01 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Yep. I appreciate your posts and feel the same way you do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
It appears some are missing the point. Oh well. Can't reach em all. Yep. I appreciate your posts and feel the same way you do. I'll "3rd" Ryan. I don't post a ton in here, but it is the most intriguing and interesting thread on the forum, IMO (except for the latest abomination on page 1328). With all the guys in here that share a love for this particular carbine, there will always be a bias for what is aesthetically and operationally pleasing to a cloner/shooter. Some of y'all in here work on the 2 way range and I respect the hell out of you for your service. I however do not, but really enjoy shooting and tinkering with these shortys. I do agree with Ryan in that it is neat to see something different and unique here and there, as well as why a particular config works for a certain person.. Lefty, righty, LAM, no LAM, gripstop, afg, fvg, naked rail, light types, switch placement, buis, no buis, etc.... All of our carbines are different and personal in their own way for their own reasons, and I respect that... If basic rules are followed. I've tried slinging with QD cups and they don't work for me, so I don't run them. I also would never think about calling someone out or harassing for QD cups on a SOPMOD buttstock unless the context was light humor. It's very interesting that the configuration on the end user level can vary in many small ways. That's why this system is so fucking fun to study. It also inspires our builds in diverse ways. Some desire a clean "as issued" look.... some beat off to a rattle caned, get-er-done son I said son bad mother fucker rig like Stealthguys . Some just enjoy causing ruckus.
Incorrect, but first rifle can and I'm pumped
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:11:30 AM EDT
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I've got two questions for yous guys... 1) What A2 profile lowers are out there with limited rollmarks? I'm looking for an SBR host lower for Form 1 and hate big ass logos stamped on the side.. 2) What information would go on a Form 1 regarding the model category if someone were to line out the original manufacturers model number and engrave a NAVY 18-1 below the serial number ...I'm wanting to make a Mk 18 Mod 1 clone ... Yes, they exist.  I'm looking for a decent host lower and am wondering if NAVY 18-1 would work as the model number, or if I'd get into trouble if I had to list the original model on the form and then had it lined out on the lower...doesn't seem like that second option would work out too well.WHAT SAY THE UNWASHED HOARD OF CLONING!!?? |
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:24:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Wait, wasn't it the same guy that said both of those lines? Lol. I thought he said Delta was a bunch of undisciplined cowboys, and then later he said that Delta would need his Rangers. I don't know, it's been a while. As far as drinking more and posting naked. 1: I try to never let my blood alcohol content get below: "Shit-faced". 2: Who says I'm wearing any clothes? Also: http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/24080078371_9bcef23652_h.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1466/24080078411_0571d5ac5e_h.jpg</a>" /> Naked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By StealthGuy: You guys need to drink more and post naked. You're killing my vibe. You September 13ers are a bunch of undisciplined cowboys. Let me tell you somethin', Sgt. When we get to the ten yard line you're gonna need my Dec 13er's. We're done here. Wait, wasn't it the same guy that said both of those lines? Lol. I thought he said Delta was a bunch of undisciplined cowboys, and then later he said that Delta would need his Rangers. I don't know, it's been a while. As far as drinking more and posting naked. 1: I try to never let my blood alcohol content get below: "Shit-faced". 2: Who says I'm wearing any clothes? Also: http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/24080078371_9bcef23652_h.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1466/24080078411_0571d5ac5e_h.jpg</a>" /> Naked. |
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:35:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Fellas, fellas...it's "undisciplined cannibals" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By StealthGuy:
You guys need to drink more and post naked. You're killing my vibe. You September 13ers are a bunch of undisciplined cowboys. Let me tell you somethin', Sgt. When we get to the ten yard line you're gonna need my Dec 13er's. We're done here. Wait, wasn't it the same guy that said both of those lines? Lol. I thought he said Delta was a bunch of undisciplined cowboys, and then later he said that Delta would need his Rangers. I don't know, it's been a while.
As far as drinking more and posting naked. 1: I try to never let my blood alcohol content get below: "Shit-faced". 2: Who says I'm wearing any clothes?
Also: http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/24080078371_9bcef23652_h.jpg</a>" /> http://<a href=https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1466/24080078411_0571d5ac5e_h.jpg</a>" /> Naked.
That's it, I'm breaking out Netflix, lol.
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:47:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Stoner25mkiv]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
I've got two questions for yous guys... 1) What A2 profile lowers are out there with limited rollmarks? I'm looking for an SBR host lower for Form 1 and hate big ass logos stamped on the side.. 2) What information would go on a Form 1 regarding the model category if someone were to line out the original manufacturers model number and engrave a NAVY 18-1 below the serial number
...I'm wanting to make a Mk 18 Mod 1 clone ... Yes, they exist. I'm looking for a decent host lower and am wondering if NAVY 18-1 would work as the model number, or if I'd get into trouble if I had to list the original model on the form and then had it lined out on the lower...doesn't seem like that second option would work out too well.
WHAT SAY THE UNWASHED HOARD OF CLONING!!?? well..............this is the reason I go with 80% lowers. I can put on there what I want, without having any engraving of an original manufacturer. That said, I would go with a NoDakSpud lower, especially if you're wanting to do a MK18 Mod 1, which I would assume might be an A1 lower? NDS has an A1 lower, minimum engraving. As to lining out the original model number that they use, and substituting MK18 Mod 1........I don't have a clue. If I were interested in doing that I believe I would inquire to ATF's Compliance office. (???? maybe?) Edit.........shouldn't be a problem using MK 18 Mod 1 as the serial, if you were doing an 80%. I just don't know how ATF would look at the original mod. # being done away with....although it would actually still be on the lower. Hmmmmmmmm........in ter es ting question. 2nd edit: take into consideration that my response has been influenced by a blend of whiskey, tequila, triple sec, and mikes's hard lemonade. |
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:52:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: That's it, I'm breaking out Netflix, lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Originally Posted By CloneDiseased: Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Originally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By StealthGuy: You guys need to drink more and post naked. You're killing my vibe. You September 13ers are a bunch of undisciplined cowboys. Let me tell you somethin', Sgt. When we get to the ten yard line you're gonna need my Dec 13er's. We're done here. Wait, wasn't it the same guy that said both of those lines? Lol. I thought he said Delta was a bunch of undisciplined cowboys, and then later he said that Delta would need his Rangers. I don't know, it's been a while. SNIP That's it, I'm breaking out Netflix, lol.  lol |
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Posted: 1/4/2016 12:55:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Fuck. I just checked. I'm wrong lol
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CloneDiseased:
Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
That's it, I'm breaking out Netflix, lol. lol
Yeah, but so was he. It was the FIVE yard line, not ten.
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Posted: 1/4/2016 1:24:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Stoner25mkiv]
[#42]
Oh, similer to mine, only mine isn't marked MK18 Mod 1. Tell ya what though. If I wanted a MK18 Mod 1, I would engrave it just like mine and then line it out and engrave MK18 Mod 1. I would Form 1 it as model MK18 Mod 1. I would submit the rest of the necessary info just as I did with this one. If you're going to all the trouble/expense to engrave correctly then I think the ONLY way to go is 80%. For sure, it cost more than engraving on an existing Title 1 lower, but why go through all the trouble to engrave on something that has some other manufacturers info on it?
Crappy pic. I'm no photographer. It looks better in person. Engraving is crisp and sharp........I don't know why it looks like crap in my pics. 
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Posted: 1/4/2016 1:32:47 AM EDT
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If you use a Colt lower you will have to list what is engraved on the lower, such as M4A1. If you put Mk 18 it the markings will not match the serial number for your lower and your former will be sent back to be corrected.
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Posted: 1/4/2016 2:23:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MCDXXV]
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Now if I could just use my SOCOM on duty. 
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Posted: 1/4/2016 2:35:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
Now if I could just use my SOCOM on duty. http://i65.tinypic.com/14aivb8.jpg So does this fall into the category of mildly interesting variant or
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Posted: 1/4/2016 2:52:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sweatpants:
So does this fall into the category of mildly interesting variant or Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sweatpants:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
Now if I could just use my SOCOM on duty. http://i65.tinypic.com/14aivb8.jpg So does this fall into the category of mildly interesting variant or QD cup, MRO.......MILSPEC's verdict is CQTR.
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Posted: 1/4/2016 3:24:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MCDXXV]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
QD cup, MRO.......MILSPEC's verdict is CQTR.
(For the Nancy boys- I'm only kidding) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By sweatpants:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
Now if I could just use my SOCOM on duty. http://i65.tinypic.com/14aivb8.jpg So does this fall into the category of mildly interesting variant or QD cup, MRO.......MILSPEC's verdict is CQTR.
(For the Nancy boys- I'm only kidding) I used to run a SU231 until my agency banned them.
Don't forget I'm only using a SF3P as well..
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Posted: 1/4/2016 3:34:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
I used to run a SU231 until my agency banned them.
Don't forget I'm only using a SF3P as well..
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZJBT:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By sweatpants:
Originally Posted By AZJBT:
Now if I could just use my SOCOM on duty. http://i65.tinypic.com/14aivb8.jpg So does this fall into the category of mildly interesting variant or QD cup, MRO.......MILSPEC's verdict is CQTR.
(For the Nancy boys- I'm only kidding) I used to run a SU231 until my agency banned them.
Don't forget I'm only using a SF3P as well..
Better hope they ban QD sockets!
I would've gone with a 30mm Aimpoint, well, actually I did. But besides those and even though we haven't seen any in use YET, I'd rather have the MRO than a T1 because of the larger objective. The T1 is just too small to me, I think the MRO nailed it for objective size while still being a micro optic |
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Posted: 1/4/2016 3:50:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
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Posted: 1/4/2016 3:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8:
look what showed up today... <a href="http://s61.photobucket.com/user/BrOdBaNd_2006/media/DF8858A4-BD89-4157-98CC-8CE42A3E834B_zpsttxkpdnk.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/BrOdBaNd_2006/DF8858A4-BD89-4157-98CC-8CE42A3E834B_zpsttxkpdnk.jpg</a> You forgot to cockn'balls something. I think the 231a marked hood is a contender.
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