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Link Posted: 2/6/2015 2:54:17 PM EDT
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Yeah it would be a little cheaper and be more clone correct. But yeah the shittiest ammo I ever run is 55gr 5.56 NATO I never shoot steel cased. I was also wondering if I send adco the colt I have them open up the gas port correct? What should I have them open it up too?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:00:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Markedup123:
Okay so I'm trying to get into the mk18 game And want to build a Mod 0.  I have a colt 6920 barrel from a mk12 build I just finished. Do you guys think I should cut down the colt barrel or buy an ADCO upper with the dd10.3 barrel? I was going to buy the Adco upper but then I read more about the gas port size being an issue with over gassing. So what would you guys recommend?

Oh and I plan on running suppressed eventually but that won't be for a while. I heard the dd has a little more kick to it as well but you can run shitty ammo through it. I never run steel cased. the shittiest ammo I ever use is 55g 5.56 NATO rounds
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I had ADCO cut down a 6920 barrel me to 10.3 and open up the gas port and it runs perfectly, no over gassing and I even, gasp, still use a regular charging handle and haven't been gassed in the face. Not sure what the hype is on the gas buster, knock on wood. ??

Will
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:15:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By schaz42:


I had ADCO cut down a 6920 barrel me to 10.3 and open up the gas port and it runs perfectly, no over gassing and I even, gasp, still use a regular charging handle and haven't been gassed in the face. Not sure what the hype is on the gas buster, knock on wood. ??

Will
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Originally Posted By schaz42:
Originally Posted By Markedup123:
Okay so I'm trying to get into the mk18 game And want to build a Mod 0.  I have a colt 6920 barrel from a mk12 build I just finished. Do you guys think I should cut down the colt barrel or buy an ADCO upper with the dd10.3 barrel? I was going to buy the Adco upper but then I read more about the gas port size being an issue with over gassing. So what would you guys recommend?

Oh and I plan on running suppressed eventually but that won't be for a while. I heard the dd has a little more kick to it as well but you can run shitty ammo through it. I never run steel cased. the shittiest ammo I ever use is 55g 5.56 NATO rounds


I had ADCO cut down a 6920 barrel me to 10.3 and open up the gas port and it runs perfectly, no over gassing and I even, gasp, still use a regular charging handle and haven't been gassed in the face. Not sure what the hype is on the gas buster, knock on wood. ??

Will

Are you shooting suppressed?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:23:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Markedup123:
Yeah it would be a little cheaper and be more clone correct. But yeah the shittiest ammo I ever run is 55gr 5.56 NATO I never shoot steel cased. I was also wondering if I send adco the colt I have them open up the gas port correct? What should I have them open it up too?
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.070 is spec for the 10.3".
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 3:50:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:


.070 is spec for the 10.3".
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Originally Posted By Markedup123:
Yeah it would be a little cheaper and be more clone correct. But yeah the shittiest ammo I ever run is 55gr 5.56 NATO I never shoot steel cased. I was also wondering if I send adco the colt I have them open up the gas port correct? What should I have them open it up too?


.070 is spec for the 10.3".


Is that what everyone else runs? And is best? Or is that just the spec?

Thanks for all the info guys!
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 4:01:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Markedup123:


Is that what everyone else runs? And is best? Or is that just the spec?

Thanks for all the info guys!
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Originally Posted By Markedup123:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By Markedup123:
Yeah it would be a little cheaper and be more clone correct. But yeah the shittiest ammo I ever run is 55gr 5.56 NATO I never shoot steel cased. I was also wondering if I send adco the colt I have them open up the gas port correct? What should I have them open it up too?


.070 is spec for the 10.3".


Is that what everyone else runs? And is best? Or is that just the spec?

Thanks for all the info guys!


If you're shooting NATO powered ammo, ,070 is you're best bet, it will still be generously gassed, would I call it the best post size for NATO ammo? well,  it's better than a larger one.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 4:12:20 PM EDT
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I think if I had another shorty upper to compare I may actually notice the difference between my DD "MK18" 10.3 upper and another upper with a smaller gas port size.






I shoot PMC pretty much exclusively and honestly if it is over-gassed, I certainly can't tell (or it's just not that big of a deal to begin with in my case). Again, I have nothing to compare to either and I'm also not shooting suppressed (yet).

 
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 4:29:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I think if I had another shorty upper to compare I may actually notice the difference between my DD "MK18" 10.3 upper and another upper with a smaller gas port size.

I shoot PMC pretty much exclusively and honestly if it is over-gassed, I certainly can't tell (or it's just not that big of a deal to begin with in my case). Again, I have nothing to compare to either and I'm also not shooting suppressed (yet).
 
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I have shot them back to back. My bro in law has a factory DD barrel w ris and CCO. I have same upper but with an Elcan and a syrac adjusted to the point where it will not cycle unsuppressed unless I run very hot loads in it.

The difference is minuscule. Now this all varies from load to load. I hand load all my ammo and have been testing different loads to see what is the most accurate and the softest shooting.

I find greater differences in recoil between 4064 vs 4198 vs varget more than I do running the same load in both rifles un suppressed or suppressed.

For instance 22gr 4198 behind a 55gr fmj has the least felt recoil and softest impulse while still being 2600fps. While 27gr varget behind the same bullet recoils a little more and there is 5 grains more powder and only nets 2500fps, here is the kicker.. 24.5gr of 4064 behind the same bullet has the most felt recoil I have felt in any 223 load and only nets a measly 2300fps.

So I really believe that different ammo in the same rifle can be felt over differences in port size in a semi auto using the same ammo. Just because it has less felt recoil doesn't mean it's loosing fps  either. Hell Tula nets the same fps as 27gr varget behind a 55fmj and that is over max load...

Link Posted: 2/6/2015 5:23:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Augee:
So, this might be a little too late - but does anyone know if the EOTech MRDS hood will fit a Docter?  

I would...guess... because they have the same mounting profile?  but I have no idea - but I'm wanting to try to better protect my little Docter.

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~Augee
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Yes, it will work. I suppose it's up to the user to determine whether or not the screws have enough purchase on the MRD mount to make them comfortable.

I took some quick pics for reference, including trying to show how much of the factory Docter screws are available for mounting.

Without the MRD mount:



Length of exposed srews:


With the MRD mount:




Lo-Pro Products (formerly knows as Danger Close Consulting) also came out with an Elcan MRD mount, but I don't know much about it:
http://amsmachine.net/a-2074-jpoint-docter-burris-elcan-mount/
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 6:25:06 PM EDT
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Soon
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 6:32:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Augee:
So, this might be a little too late - but does anyone know if the EOTech MRDS hood will fit a Docter?  

I would...guess... because they have the same mounting profile?  but I have no idea - but I'm wanting to try to better protect my little Docter.

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/DSC01524.jpg


I know the ideal option would be to simply replace it with an MRDS, but I don't really have the cash to buy another MRD at the moment when this one still works, and anyways,  it's got some sentimental value to me.  

~Augee
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Good lord brother. What happened? She get run over by a deuce and a half?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:03:41 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s1189.photobucket.com/user/bbuher/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0299.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z432/bbuher/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0299.jpg</a>

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Welcome, you should buy a UID label now

Just a heads up for everyone I'm keeping the ordering of labels open to Monday morning. I will keep about 40 labels with random serials on hand for future buyers but this weekend is your last chance to get your own serial on the labels.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:16:38 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:18:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
<a href="http://s61.photobucket.com/user/BrOdBaNd_2006/media/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/BrOdBaNd_2006/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg</a>
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dude lets play with your 16! I want!
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:19:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
<a href="http://s61.photobucket.com/user/BrOdBaNd_2006/media/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/BrOdBaNd_2006/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg</a>
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Building two new ones?

You should get an EXPS and make a marsoc clone with that PEQ16
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:29:20 PM EDT
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<a href="http://s61.photobucket.com/user/BrOdBaNd_2006/media/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/BrOdBaNd_2006/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg</a>
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Barbie for men. I love having a plethora of parts to choose from. Nice spread.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:34:18 PM EDT
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Building two new ones?

You should get an EXPS and make a marsoc clone with that PEQ16
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Originally Posted By asmig:
Originally Posted By brodband8:
<a href="http://s61.photobucket.com/user/BrOdBaNd_2006/media/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/BrOdBaNd_2006/a838531b-2fb4-4fa5-bbb3-74688ac04472_zps68b18d6b.jpg</a>


Building two new ones?

You should get an EXPS and make a marsoc clone with that PEQ16


I want an EXPS and was going to use the 16 for the marsoc clone.  Weren't they 16A's though?  Mine's a B.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 7:47:33 PM EDT
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Any chance you could do this for a MK12?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 8:16:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By asmig:


Welcome, you should buy a UID label now

Just a heads up for everyone I'm keeping the ordering of labels open to Monday morning. I will keep about 40 labels with random serials on hand for future buyers but this weekend is your last chance to get your own serial on the labels.
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Originally Posted By _B_:
<a href="http://s1189.photobucket.com/user/bbuher/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0299.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z432/bbuher/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0299.jpg</a>

Soon


Welcome, you should buy a UID label now

Just a heads up for everyone I'm keeping the ordering of labels open to Monday morning. I will keep about 40 labels with random serials on hand for future buyers but this weekend is your last chance to get your own serial on the labels.


Thank you! Long time lurker since the other thread.
They still $5ea?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 8:42:07 PM EDT
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Any chance you could do this for a MK12?
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do what?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 8:47:51 PM EDT
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do what?
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Originally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By tyrWRX:
Any chance you could do this for a MK12?



do what?


I think he was wondering about the UID labels.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 8:51:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By tyrWRX:
Any chance you could do this for a MK12?
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If a UID label could be made for a MK12.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 8:51:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cmcflex:


Yes, it will work. I suppose it's up to the user to determine whether or not the screws have enough purchase on the MRD mount to make them comfortable.

I took some quick pics for reference, including trying to show how much of the factory Docter screws are available for mounting.

Without the MRD mount:
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2744_zps81a1eb56.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2741_zps1f7955c0.jpg

Length of exposed srews:
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2743_zps2c9b6884.jpg

With the MRD mount:
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2745_zps6a798dca.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2747_zps7ae1213b.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2746_zpsbcd1a01c.jpg

Lo-Pro Products (formerly knows as Danger Close Consulting) also came out with an Elcan MRD mount, but I don't know much about it:
http://amsmachine.net/a-2074-jpoint-docter-burris-elcan-mount/
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Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By Augee:
So, this might be a little too late - but does anyone know if the EOTech MRDS hood will fit a Docter?  

I would...guess... because they have the same mounting profile?  but I have no idea - but I'm wanting to try to better protect my little Docter.

/snip

~Augee


Yes, it will work. I suppose it's up to the user to determine whether or not the screws have enough purchase on the MRD mount to make them comfortable.

I took some quick pics for reference, including trying to show how much of the factory Docter screws are available for mounting.

Without the MRD mount:
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2744_zps81a1eb56.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2741_zps1f7955c0.jpg

Length of exposed srews:
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2743_zps2c9b6884.jpg

With the MRD mount:
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2745_zps6a798dca.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2747_zps7ae1213b.jpg
http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz285/k_wilkin/DSC_2746_zpsbcd1a01c.jpg

Lo-Pro Products (formerly knows as Danger Close Consulting) also came out with an Elcan MRD mount, but I don't know much about it:
http://amsmachine.net/a-2074-jpoint-docter-burris-elcan-mount/


Sweet!

Now where to get one?  

~Augee
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Originally Posted By tyrWRX:
If a UID label could be made for a MK12.
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Can be?  Yes.  Whether he's willing to do them, I can't answer.  

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Can be?  Yes.  Whether he's willing to do them, I can't answer.  

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Originally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By tyrWRX:
If a UID label could be made for a MK12.



Can be?  Yes.  Whether he's willing to do them, I can't answer.  

A small admin note:  if you're replying to someone directly, try using the quote button.  At the bottom of a user's post, you'll see a row of buttons.  the one on the far right of that row says "quote".  Makes it easier to see what you're asking.



Thanks for the tip.  Been quite a while since I've been on a " proper" fourm.
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Originally Posted By Augee:
So at this point, it might be old news - but going back to the topic of the ATPIAL -

As far as I can tell, the AN/PEQ-15 is not a SOPMOD item.  

Lasers listed under the program and managed by NSWC-Crane are -

CVL - AN/PEQ-5
ITPIAL - AN/PEQ-2
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5/PEQ
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5A/PEQ
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5D/PEQ (CAR Hardened)
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5E/PEQ (CAR Hardened)

Meanwhile - as we've already established - not being part of the NSWC-Crane managed SOPMOD program does not mean "not in use."

Items like the AN/PEQ-15 and AN/PEQ-16 (and variants) are available to units' home branches - that is to say, just because MARSOC is part of USSOCOM, doesn't mean that they're not also still part of the Marine Corps - which also means they can still order items through the Marine Corps - meaning that they have access to anything that the Marine Corps issues as well as anything that they can get through USSOCOM (which, in terms of small arms - often means that it ultimately comes from NSWC-Crane).  The same applies to USASOC ordering supplies through the Army.  

Changing subjects again -

When you look at the different candidates for the RIS II, as someone has mentioned - it bears mentioning that DD's approach was fairly novel, and perhaps risky - one of the requirements, of course, of the RIS II was to free-float the M203 - something that both KAC and ARMS attempted to do by having cantilevered "arms" reaching out from a carbine-length rail - which would have, among other things, allowed both the 14.5" URG and the 10.3" URG to use the same rail and same P/N - and free-float mount an M203.  

DD, however chose to go with the extended rail section forward of the FSB - similar to the KAC MRE and use "hangers" to mount the M203 - this also meant, though - that an entirely separate P/N needed to be created, because it was the only entry that could not fit a 10.3" URG easily - in the meantime - the "more common" M4A1 RIS II - the non-FSP version, was, it seems, originally intended to be used on the M16A4 - when the RIS II program was conceived - there doesn't seem to have been an "intended" goal of using rifle-length rails on a carbine - that's simply, and literally, what someone apparently decided to do.  

Incidentally, DD was, again, if I'm recalling the "attitudes" of the time - kind of the "dark horse" of the three candidates - compared to KAC, which... c'mon, it's KAC - while Dick Swan had gotten himself embedded so deeply into the SOPMOD program that every single Phased Replacement and Increment II item was de-facto required to use his mounts if they wanted to be adopted.  Daniel Defense had provided a couple of M4 rails to USAMU for some SDM-R programs, and onesies and twosies here and there, but that was about it.  

It really would be fascinating, I think - to extrapolate what the M4A1 with both 10.3" and 14.5" URGs - had one of the other candidates ultimately won - realizing at the same time that in a lot of ways - official adoption also means a certain level of stagnation in and that the RIS II has not changed much in coming just shy of ten years now - while it almost seems like KAC is rolling out a new URX-decimal-something every six months.  

Regarding interesting alternate handguards - I still think one of the more interesting ones is the GG&G Modular FF.  

~Augee
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Jeebus Augee, you're like the Rainman of the .mil clones

In red: I've got one of those rails. It's kinda meh. It's clunky, a pain to install/remove. It's now collecting dust in a long forgotten corner somewhere.
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Jeebus Augee, you're like the Rainman of the .mil clones

In red: I've got one of those rails. It's kinda meh. It's clunky, a pain to install/remove. It's now collecting dust in a long forgotten corner somewhere.
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Augee:
So at this point, it might be old news - but going back to the topic of the ATPIAL -

As far as I can tell, the AN/PEQ-15 is not a SOPMOD item.  

Lasers listed under the program and managed by NSWC-Crane are -

CVL - AN/PEQ-5
ITPIAL - AN/PEQ-2
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5/PEQ
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5A/PEQ
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5D/PEQ (CAR Hardened)
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5E/PEQ (CAR Hardened)

Meanwhile - as we've already established - not being part of the NSWC-Crane managed SOPMOD program does not mean "not in use."

Items like the AN/PEQ-15 and AN/PEQ-16 (and variants) are available to units' home branches - that is to say, just because MARSOC is part of USSOCOM, doesn't mean that they're not also still part of the Marine Corps - which also means they can still order items through the Marine Corps - meaning that they have access to anything that the Marine Corps issues as well as anything that they can get through USSOCOM (which, in terms of small arms - often means that it ultimately comes from NSWC-Crane).  The same applies to USASOC ordering supplies through the Army.  

Changing subjects again -

When you look at the different candidates for the RIS II, as someone has mentioned - it bears mentioning that DD's approach was fairly novel, and perhaps risky - one of the requirements, of course, of the RIS II was to free-float the M203 - something that both KAC and ARMS attempted to do by having cantilevered "arms" reaching out from a carbine-length rail - which would have, among other things, allowed both the 14.5" URG and the 10.3" URG to use the same rail and same P/N - and free-float mount an M203.  

DD, however chose to go with the extended rail section forward of the FSB - similar to the KAC MRE and use "hangers" to mount the M203 - this also meant, though - that an entirely separate P/N needed to be created, because it was the only entry that could not fit a 10.3" URG easily - in the meantime - the "more common" M4A1 RIS II - the non-FSP version, was, it seems, originally intended to be used on the M16A4 - when the RIS II program was conceived - there doesn't seem to have been an "intended" goal of using rifle-length rails on a carbine - that's simply, and literally, what someone apparently decided to do.  

Incidentally, DD was, again, if I'm recalling the "attitudes" of the time - kind of the "dark horse" of the three candidates - compared to KAC, which... c'mon, it's KAC - while Dick Swan had gotten himself embedded so deeply into the SOPMOD program that every single Phased Replacement and Increment II item was de-facto required to use his mounts if they wanted to be adopted.  Daniel Defense had provided a couple of M4 rails to USAMU for some SDM-R programs, and onesies and twosies here and there, but that was about it.  

It really would be fascinating, I think - to extrapolate what the M4A1 with both 10.3" and 14.5" URGs - had one of the other candidates ultimately won - realizing at the same time that in a lot of ways - official adoption also means a certain level of stagnation in and that the RIS II has not changed much in coming just shy of ten years now - while it almost seems like KAC is rolling out a new URX-decimal-something every six months.  

Regarding interesting alternate handguards - I still think one of the more interesting ones is the GG&G Modular FF.  

~Augee


Jeebus Augee, you're like the Rainman of the .mil clones

In red: I've got one of those rails. It's kinda meh. It's clunky, a pain to install/remove. It's now collecting dust in a long forgotten corner somewhere.


I've never seen the rail in question. Anyone have a link or a pic?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 9:40:36 PM EDT
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I've never seen the rail in question. Anyone have a link or a pic?
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Augee:
So at this point, it might be old news - but going back to the topic of the ATPIAL -

As far as I can tell, the AN/PEQ-15 is not a SOPMOD item.  

Lasers listed under the program and managed by NSWC-Crane are -

CVL - AN/PEQ-5
ITPIAL - AN/PEQ-2
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5/PEQ
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5A/PEQ
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5D/PEQ (CAR Hardened)
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5E/PEQ (CAR Hardened)

Meanwhile - as we've already established - not being part of the NSWC-Crane managed SOPMOD program does not mean "not in use."

Items like the AN/PEQ-15 and AN/PEQ-16 (and variants) are available to units' home branches - that is to say, just because MARSOC is part of USSOCOM, doesn't mean that they're not also still part of the Marine Corps - which also means they can still order items through the Marine Corps - meaning that they have access to anything that the Marine Corps issues as well as anything that they can get through USSOCOM (which, in terms of small arms - often means that it ultimately comes from NSWC-Crane).  The same applies to USASOC ordering supplies through the Army.  

Changing subjects again -

When you look at the different candidates for the RIS II, as someone has mentioned - it bears mentioning that DD's approach was fairly novel, and perhaps risky - one of the requirements, of course, of the RIS II was to free-float the M203 - something that both KAC and ARMS attempted to do by having cantilevered "arms" reaching out from a carbine-length rail - which would have, among other things, allowed both the 14.5" URG and the 10.3" URG to use the same rail and same P/N - and free-float mount an M203.  

DD, however chose to go with the extended rail section forward of the FSB - similar to the KAC MRE and use "hangers" to mount the M203 - this also meant, though - that an entirely separate P/N needed to be created, because it was the only entry that could not fit a 10.3" URG easily - in the meantime - the "more common" M4A1 RIS II - the non-FSP version, was, it seems, originally intended to be used on the M16A4 - when the RIS II program was conceived - there doesn't seem to have been an "intended" goal of using rifle-length rails on a carbine - that's simply, and literally, what someone apparently decided to do.  

Incidentally, DD was, again, if I'm recalling the "attitudes" of the time - kind of the "dark horse" of the three candidates - compared to KAC, which... c'mon, it's KAC - while Dick Swan had gotten himself embedded so deeply into the SOPMOD program that every single Phased Replacement and Increment II item was de-facto required to use his mounts if they wanted to be adopted.  Daniel Defense had provided a couple of M4 rails to USAMU for some SDM-R programs, and onesies and twosies here and there, but that was about it.  

It really would be fascinating, I think - to extrapolate what the M4A1 with both 10.3" and 14.5" URGs - had one of the other candidates ultimately won - realizing at the same time that in a lot of ways - official adoption also means a certain level of stagnation in and that the RIS II has not changed much in coming just shy of ten years now - while it almost seems like KAC is rolling out a new URX-decimal-something every six months.  

Regarding interesting alternate handguards - I still think one of the more interesting ones is the GG&G Modular FF.  

~Augee


Jeebus Augee, you're like the Rainman of the .mil clones

In red: I've got one of those rails. It's kinda meh. It's clunky, a pain to install/remove. It's now collecting dust in a long forgotten corner somewhere.


I've never seen the rail in question. Anyone have a link or a pic?




Link Posted: 2/6/2015 10:01:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By Augee:
So at this point, it might be old news - but going back to the topic of the ATPIAL -

As far as I can tell, the AN/PEQ-15 is not a SOPMOD item.  

Lasers listed under the program and managed by NSWC-Crane are -

CVL - AN/PEQ-5
ITPIAL - AN/PEQ-2
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5/PEQ
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5A/PEQ
ATPIAL-HP - LA-5D/PEQ (CAR Hardened)
ATPIAL-UHP - LA-5E/PEQ (CAR Hardened)

Meanwhile - as we've already established - not being part of the NSWC-Crane managed SOPMOD program does not mean "not in use."

Items like the AN/PEQ-15 and AN/PEQ-16 (and variants) are available to units' home branches - that is to say, just because MARSOC is part of USSOCOM, doesn't mean that they're not also still part of the Marine Corps - which also means they can still order items through the Marine Corps - meaning that they have access to anything that the Marine Corps issues as well as anything that they can get through USSOCOM (which, in terms of small arms - often means that it ultimately comes from NSWC-Crane).  The same applies to USASOC ordering supplies through the Army.  

Changing subjects again -

When you look at the different candidates for the RIS II, as someone has mentioned - it bears mentioning that DD's approach was fairly novel, and perhaps risky - one of the requirements, of course, of the RIS II was to free-float the M203 - something that both KAC and ARMS attempted to do by having cantilevered "arms" reaching out from a carbine-length rail - which would have, among other things, allowed both the 14.5" URG and the 10.3" URG to use the same rail and same P/N - and free-float mount an M203.  

DD, however chose to go with the extended rail section forward of the FSB - similar to the KAC MRE and use "hangers" to mount the M203 - this also meant, though - that an entirely separate P/N needed to be created, because it was the only entry that could not fit a 10.3" URG easily - in the meantime - the "more common" M4A1 RIS II - the non-FSP version, was, it seems, originally intended to be used on the M16A4 - when the RIS II program was conceived - there doesn't seem to have been an "intended" goal of using rifle-length rails on a carbine - that's simply, and literally, what someone apparently decided to do.  

Incidentally, DD was, again, if I'm recalling the "attitudes" of the time - kind of the "dark horse" of the three candidates - compared to KAC, which... c'mon, it's KAC - while Dick Swan had gotten himself embedded so deeply into the SOPMOD program that every single Phased Replacement and Increment II item was de-facto required to use his mounts if they wanted to be adopted.  Daniel Defense had provided a couple of M4 rails to USAMU for some SDM-R programs, and onesies and twosies here and there, but that was about it.  

It really would be fascinating, I think - to extrapolate what the M4A1 with both 10.3" and 14.5" URGs - had one of the other candidates ultimately won - realizing at the same time that in a lot of ways - official adoption also means a certain level of stagnation in and that the RIS II has not changed much in coming just shy of ten years now - while it almost seems like KAC is rolling out a new URX-decimal-something every six months.  

Regarding interesting alternate handguards - I still think one of the more interesting ones is the GG&G Modular FF.  

~Augee


Jeebus Augee, you're like the Rainman of the .mil clones

In red: I've got one of those rails. It's kinda meh. It's clunky, a pain to install/remove. It's now collecting dust in a long forgotten corner somewhere.


I've never seen the rail in question. Anyone have a link or a pic?


http://www.tigerland.co.jp/upload/save_image/631-m.jpg

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/530/530064.jpg


Hmm. That's kinda neat.
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I'll probably regret this, because it's going to blow any chance of me ever picking one up cheap - but you've probably seen it more times than you think and just didn't register it:






It was a non-SOPMOD accessory, kind of in the same vein as the KAC MRE - around the same time "Block II" started being planned - some users started going in two somewhat opposite directions - "lotsa rails" a la the MRE, and modular handguards, evolving from the modified FF tubes of the 90s - the GG&G was a stop along the way, and you might expect the same type of folks to be using Remington RAHGs today.  

~Augee
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 10:16:53 PM EDT
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I'll probably regret this, because it's going to blow any chance of me ever picking one up cheap - but you've probably seen it more times than you think and just didn't register it:

https://raidairsoft.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mk181.jpg

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/augeekim011/IMG_1544_zpsb0b00656.jpg


It was a non-SOPMOD accessory, kind of in the same vein as the KAC MRE - around the same time "Block II" started being planned - some users started going in two somewhat opposite directions - "lotsa rails" a la the MRE, and modular handguards, evolving from the modified FF tubes of the 90s - the GG&G was a stop along the way, and you might expect the same type of folks to be using Remington RAHGs today.  

~Augee
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Originally Posted By DontBuryMe:

I've never seen the rail in question. Anyone have a link or a pic?


I'll probably regret this, because it's going to blow any chance of me ever picking one up cheap - but you've probably seen it more times than you think and just didn't register it:

https://raidairsoft.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mk181.jpg

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/augeekim/augeekim011/IMG_1544_zpsb0b00656.jpg


It was a non-SOPMOD accessory, kind of in the same vein as the KAC MRE - around the same time "Block II" started being planned - some users started going in two somewhat opposite directions - "lotsa rails" a la the MRE, and modular handguards, evolving from the modified FF tubes of the 90s - the GG&G was a stop along the way, and you might expect the same type of folks to be using Remington RAHGs today.  

~Augee


I've already found one... and have my card out. Lol

I can't find anywhere that says it, so I may as well ask you Augee; does it use the standard bbl nut?
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 10:25:01 PM EDT
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I'd like to take a gander at all the items that didn't make the SOPMOD cut.
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I'd like to take a gander at all the items that didn't make the SOPMOD cut.
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Me too. There's some neat stuff.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:02:21 PM EDT
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Yeah I think I'm going to do another Block II upper. SU-231/M3X/Dual switches kind of look like I first started with.

Also, put some rounds down range with the M16. Finally breaking in some of the paint and building back up the beauty in use.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:07:30 PM EDT
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I can't find anywhere that says it, so I may as well ask you Augee; does it use the standard bbl nut?
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That's my understanding, but I've never owned or installed one - SecretSquirell might be the better one to answer you on that.  

~Augee
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:07:30 PM EDT
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Yeah I think I'm going to do another Block II upper. SU-231/M3X/Dual switches kind of look like I first started with.

Also, put some rounds down range with the M16. Finally breaking in some of the paint and building back up the beauty in use.
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RIS II FSP upper!
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:19:26 PM EDT
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Can someone PLEASE help me find an M3X for my build?? I've been looking for weeks, and can not locate one. Everytime I do find one it's black.
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RIS II FSP upper!
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Yeah I think I'm going to do another Block II upper. SU-231/M3X/Dual switches kind of look like I first started with.

Also, put some rounds down range with the M16. Finally breaking in some of the paint and building back up the beauty in use.


RIS II FSP upper!


LOL. I would love to but the sole reason for switching is because my FSB doesn't fit like I expected. My barrel has plenty of life, but it does have a couple thousand rounds down it.

Plus the FSB is some coin that I don't want to spend.
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:27:23 PM EDT
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Can someone PLEASE help me find an M3X for my build?? I've been looking for weeks, and can not locate one. Everytime I do find one it's black.
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You have to keep an eye on the EE.  That's where I got mine, and I have seen a few pop up there ever since....
Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:31:17 PM EDT
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Can someone PLEASE help me find an M3X for my build?? I've been looking for weeks, and can not locate one. Everytime I do find one it's black.
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Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:54:32 PM EDT
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Can I hang out or should I kick rocks?

I am also not claiming this to be a Mk 18. Really wish DD wouldn't have put the logo on there like that.  I was gonna go buy and start the wait for an NT4 but now I am torn between that and a Mk 12 mod 0. Cant make up my mind. Yes i will eventually get both. Just what to buy first.


Link Posted: 2/6/2015 11:57:38 PM EDT
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Can I hang out or should I kick rocks?

I am also not claiming this to be a Mk 18. Really wish DD wouldn't have put the logo on there like that.  I was gonna go buy and start the wait for an NT4 but now I am torn between that and a Mk 12 mod 0. Cant make up my mind. Yes i will eventually get both. Just what to buy first.

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/drscws/D7K_8640_zpskhpnwadm.jpg
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Looks pretty damn "clone correct" for a CQBR  aside from the muzzle device.  I say you're good.  
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 12:01:46 AM EDT
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Looks pretty damn "clone correct" for a CQBR aside from the muzzle device.  I say you're good.  
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Originally Posted By drscws:
Can I hang out or should I kick rocks?

I am also not claiming this to be a Mk 18. Really wish DD wouldn't have put the logo on there like that.  I was gonna go buy and start the wait for an NT4 but now I am torn between that and a Mk 12 mod 0. Cant make up my mind. Yes i will eventually get both. Just what to buy first.

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/drscws/D7K_8640_zpskhpnwadm.jpg


Looks pretty damn "clone correct" for a CQBR aside from the muzzle device.  I say you're good.  



Yea i need to find a KAC M4QD
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 12:13:57 AM EDT
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Can I hang out or should I kick rocks?

I am also not claiming this to be a Mk 18. Really wish DD wouldn't have put the logo on there like that.  I was gonna go buy and start the wait for an NT4 but now I am torn between that and a Mk 12 mod 0. Cant make up my mind. Yes i will eventually get both. Just what to buy first.

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/drscws/D7K_8640_zpskhpnwadm.jpg
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You could always rattle can the logo away.

Pretty solid. Buy the NT4 first and capitalize on the 3 month wait times.
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 12:17:47 AM EDT
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You could always rattle can the logo away.

Pretty solid. Buy the NT4 first and capitalize on the 3 month wait times.
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Originally Posted By drscws:
Can I hang out or should I kick rocks?

I am also not claiming this to be a Mk 18. Really wish DD wouldn't have put the logo on there like that.  I was gonna go buy and start the wait for an NT4 but now I am torn between that and a Mk 12 mod 0. Cant make up my mind. Yes i will eventually get both. Just what to buy first.

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/drscws/D7K_8640_zpskhpnwadm.jpg


You could always rattle can the logo away.

Pretty solid. Buy the NT4 first and capitalize on the 3 month wait times.


I endorse the entirety of this post.  If there is ever a clone question, rattle can is the answer.
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You could always rattle can the logo away.

Pretty solid. Buy the NT4 first and capitalize on the 3 month wait times.
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Paint is definitely in the near future. Rustoleum the way to go?
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 12:34:04 AM EDT
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Great looking rifle, drscws! I also have a Daniel Defense DDMK18 factory SBR that I am building up. I just picked up the KAC NT4 Flash Hider direct from KAC last week. They still have 'em in stock. Shipped fast and price was just over $100 with shipping.

5.56mm M4QD Flash Suppressor Kit

In other news, I was incredibly bummed when my long-awaited, brand new KAC front flip up sight showed up only to discover that the anodizing on the front of the sight base had two differing shades and a weird, outlined half circle discoloration. Pictures don't do it justice. Sorry, but when a measly $6 buys you a flawless and perfectly anodized enhanced mag release button from a company like Battle Arms Development, you expect better attention to detail for a $180 part from a top-shelf brand like KAC. Thankfully the authorized distributor agreed to return it for a refund. And luckily I already have another one on the way that I picked up on the EE. And per those pics, it's mint. The downside is I paid $240 for that one.







I'm also not sure what's going on in those threads - it was like jagged metal in there.
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Great looking rifle, drscws! I also have a Daniel Defense DDMK18 factory SBR that I am building up. I just picked up the KAC NT4 Flash Hider direct from KAC last week. They still have 'em in stock. Shipped fast and price was just over $100 with shipping.

5.56mm M4QD Flash Suppressor Kit

In other news, I was incredibly bummed when my long-awaited, brand new KAC front flip up sight showed up only to discover that the anodizing on the front of the sight base had two differing shades and a weird, outlined half circle discoloration. Pictures don't do it justice. Sorry, but when a measly $6 buys you a flawless and perfectly anodized enhanced mag release button from a company like Battle Arms Development, you expect better attention to detail for a $180 part from a top-shelf brand like KAC. Thankfully the authorized distributor agreed to return it for a refund. And luckily I already have another one on the way that I picked up on the EE. And per those pics, it's mint. The downside is I paid $240 for that one.

<a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/Scott_AZ/media/2nd%20Amendment/IMG_29861.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/Scott_AZ/2nd%20Amendment/IMG_29861.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/Scott_AZ/media/2nd%20Amendment/IMG_29871.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/Scott_AZ/2nd%20Amendment/IMG_29871.jpg</a>

<a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/Scott_AZ/media/2nd%20Amendment/IMG_29891.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/Scott_AZ/2nd%20Amendment/IMG_29891.jpg</a>

I'm also not sure what's going on in those threads - it was like jagged metal in there.
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Let me know if you decide to sell one.looking through my EOTech 553 and a Matech, with no front sight is a strange sight to see. Lol
Link Posted: 2/7/2015 12:56:23 AM EDT
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I thought you sold your 553?
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Yea i need to find a KAC M4QD
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Originally Posted By drscws:
Can I hang out or should I kick rocks?

I am also not claiming this to be a Mk 18. Really wish DD wouldn't have put the logo on there like that.  I was gonna go buy and start the wait for an NT4 but now I am torn between that and a Mk 12 mod 0. Cant make up my mind. Yes i will eventually get both. Just what to buy first.

http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae266/drscws/D7K_8640_zpskhpnwadm.jpg


Looks pretty damn "clone correct" for a CQBR aside from the muzzle device.  I say you're good.  



Yea i need to find a KAC M4QD


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