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Posted: 11/18/2020 7:40:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: krdt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Like this? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/124774/Screen_Shot_2020-11-18_at_1_57_29_PM-1690193.png Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By krdt: Yeah, the standard non-FF KAC RAS needs to be on the Mk18/Block 1 list for the later period guns. It also might be helpful to break accessories into two categories: "As Issued" and "Common/In The Wild Alternatives." Something like that. Perhaps separate the Mk18/Block 1 into "Early Period" (RIS, LMT BUIS) and "Late Period" (RAS, Matech, KAC 300m, etc.); then follow with the Block 1.5/PR. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/124774/Screen_Shot_2020-11-18_at_1_57_29_PM-1690193.png To echo, it's a commendable effort, but there is a lot that needs fixing. Even just doing a general list without breaking it down into terrible nuance is difficult to do accurately. Just a few glaring things: No 4P on the Mk18 Mod 0/CQBR Block 1. It'd be an A2 or M4QD. Also no RC. The NT4 was still being used into the Block II period and MARSOC is still using it today. There might be some weird situation where an RC appears on an old Block 1, but not typical. No Mk12 on the Mk18/Block 1... the front sight is an A2 and that is also the gas block. The PEQ-2 would start in the Early B1 period, not B1.5. The PEQ-15 isn't listed and it's basically the quintessential B1.5 and BII unit. Aimpoint T1/T2 wouldn't begin to show up until close to the current day BII. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 8:00:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: The closed tine has the smaller shoulder, as opposed to the closed tine warcomp, so it should sit pretty flush to the RIS depending on how it times up to your barrel. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/462226/1E3B3309-FD5E-4A71-A267-4D023D38EA27_jpe-1690354.JPG Here’s how my CT sits with my RC on my 14.5" block II to give you some kind of idea... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/462226/AEBA54DE-6AAC-4957-9FA6-082AA6AFA2B2_jpe-1690358.JPG Thank you! |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 9:57:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Mk18 mod 0 doesn't = cqbr block 1. It's a very subtle difference but a difference non the less. The line gets even more blurred once you start talking about navy remarked 18-1 lowers. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 9:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt: To echo, it's a commendable effort, but there is a lot that needs fixing. Even just doing a general list without breaking it down into terrible nuance is difficult to do accurately. Just a few glaring things: No 4P on the Mk18 Mod 0/CQBR Block 1. It'd be an A2 or M4QD. Also no RC. The NT4 was still being used into the Block II period and MARSOC is still using it today. There might be some weird situation where an RC appears on an old Block 1, but not typical. No Mk12 on the Mk18/Block 1... the front sight is an A2 and that is also the gas block. The PEQ-2 would start in the Early B1 period, not B1.5. The PEQ-15 isn't listed and it's basically the quintessential B1.5 and BII unit. Aimpoint T1/T2 wouldn't begin to show up until close to the current day BII. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 10:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Thanks. I misread what Combat Diver was saying. I thought he was saying that the MK18 and CQB series were functionally the same with slight differences between army and navy. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 12:08:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I appreciate the effort but it seems like there needs to be way more columns for this to be very useful. Depends how correct you want to be but the Mk18 Mod 0 and CQBR should each be their own thing. For instance, the CQBR would typically have an M4A1 LRG and a KAC 300m rear while the Mk18 Mod 0 would typically have a converted M16A1 LRG and an LMT rear. Then you have parts that change over time like muzzle device, rail, accessories, etc. There's just a ton of nuance that I don't know can be covered in a single chart if that makes sense. I've been considering making a list of dates of production of upper receivers, SureFires, RASs, RIS IIs, etc. and just tackling the one thing at a time pretty daunting. Only early Mk18 Mod 0 used M16A1 lowers. The majority I've seen (Mk18 Mod 0) were built using M4A1 lowers and those were coming from Crane. CD |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 4:05:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StowaNewb: Great. Thank you. So it seems a suppressor mounted on a CT will sit just slightly further from the rail than a 3/4 prong? Yeah looking at the shoulders the 3p/4p should sit a skosh closer than the CT but I think it more comes down to how it times up to your specific barrel. Or send it off and have someone time everything up so you don’t have to use shims. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 11:16:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By allensaldi: Something must be up with that rail or the retaining ring with the 6 holes. Post some pix so we can see. Also, I can't discuss anything business related or I'll get the ban hammer again. I had to beg to be let back on. Dang. Glad to have you back man. Will try to get some photos tomorrow. 
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Posted: 11/19/2020 11:24:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Yeah looking at the shoulders the 3p/4p should sit a skosh closer than the CT but I think it more comes down to how it times up to your specific barrel. Or send it off and have someone time everything up so you don’t have to use shims. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Originally Posted By StowaNewb: Great. Thank you. So it seems a suppressor mounted on a CT will sit just slightly further from the rail than a 3/4 prong? Yeah looking at the shoulders the 3p/4p should sit a skosh closer than the CT but I think it more comes down to how it times up to your specific barrel. Or send it off and have someone time everything up so you don’t have to use shims. FH-556-RC .170 SF3P-556-1/2-28 .170 SFCT-556-1/2-28 .210 WARCOMP-556-1/2-28 .220 WARCOMP-556-CTN-1/2-28 .360 SFMB-556-1/2-28 .170 Instead of going by pictures and a skosh, the SFCT-556-1/2-28 will be .040" further forward than the issued MD. The WARCOMP .050" further and the WARCOMP CT a whole .190" further. ETA: Tolerances are irrelevant. Given the same barrel, the only difference is how they time. The most variation you can have on timing is 1/28". So worst case going from a 4 prong- to a CT would be .076" difference and best case would be .004" difference. The bell curve would put the vast majority of the time close to the average .040" difference. You can purposely leave out the chamfered shim and make it closer like mentioned before. If your barrel is already on the long side you aren't going to be able to make up for it though. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 11:30:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: FH-556-RC .170 SF3P-556-1/2-28 .170 SFCT-556-1/2-28 .210 WARCOMP-556-1/2-28 .220 WARCOMP-556-CTN-1/2-28 .360 SFMB-556-1/2-28 .170 Instead of going by pictures and a skosh, the SFCT-556-1/2-28 will be .040" further forward than the issued MD. The WARCOMP .050" further and the WARCOMP CT a whole .190" further. A skosh is my favorite unit of measurement. I guess I should’ve scrolled up halfway on the last page to see the first time you posted these numbers.  Good info!
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Posted: 11/19/2020 3:44:58 PM EDT
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WTF is wrong with me....
 
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Posted: 11/19/2020 3:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNeeds a black rail 
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Posted: 11/19/2020 3:48:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -KentuckyWindage-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470: Needs a black rail I got one.... i just keep thinking wtf is wrong with me
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Posted: 11/19/2020 3:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: I got one.... i just keep thinking wtf is wrong with meYeah. We must all wonder that. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 4:03:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/19/2020 4:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI tried man, I can't find any black railed Cqbrs. Looks good man. Murder it out, needs a black corncob to complete the look. 
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Posted: 11/19/2020 4:38:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -KentuckyWindage-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: I tried man, I can't find any black railed Cqbrs. Looks good man. Murder it out, needs a black corncob to complete the look. God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 ....   |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 7:14:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By 2Keylows: I tried man, I can't find any black railed Cqbrs. Looks good man. Murder it out, needs a black corncob to complete the look. God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Woah, woah woah, take that $hit to the SBR thread. Not cool man, not cool.  |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 7:16:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr: Woah, woah woah, take that $hit to the SBR thread. Not cool man, not cool.
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Posted: 11/19/2020 7:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By 2Keylows: I tried man, I can't find any black railed Cqbrs. Looks good man. Murder it out, needs a black corncob to complete the look. God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Did the thread name change to Barry's Bathhouse? Because that's pretty gay ;x. That's not a CQBR, that's a CQBBC. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 7:37:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By krdt: Did the thread name change to Barry's Bathhouse? Because that's pretty gay ;x. That's not a CQBR, that's a CQBBC. Hahahahaha |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:27:32 PM EDT
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First shot at this:
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By 2Keylows: I tried man, I can't find any black railed Cqbrs. Looks good man. Murder it out, needs a black corncob to complete the look. God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg That does not fit in this thread. But I like it  Now do an FDE one with tanodized receivers
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:32:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Honestly, I think it looks bad ass like that. I’ve got a spare SBR lower that I’ve been torn on what to do with. I think I may do a second all black CQBR. To add to the blasphemy I might use a lefty upper receiver that I just picked up.
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:34:06 PM EDT
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As much as I love and prefer shooting my Block II CQBR, there’s just something about the Block I aesthetics. It will forever be a classic.
 
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Posted: 11/19/2020 9:36:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg  Attached Filethis is you now |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 10:23:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/316069/69CA008E-1976-45F7-8C93-1E720396C0C8_jpe-1692215.JPG this is you now
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Posted: 11/19/2020 10:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: Honestly, I think it looks bad ass like that. I’ve got a spare SBR lower that I’ve been torn on what to do with. I think I may do a second all black CQBR. To add to the blasphemy I might use a lefty upper receiver that I just picked up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: God damnit ... ok...Update: murdered out...new clone status =0 .... https://i.imgur.com/PVIEJjG.jpg Honestly, I think it looks bad ass like that. I’ve got a spare SBR lower that I’ve been torn on what to do with. I think I may do a second all black CQBR. To add to the blasphemy I might use a lefty upper receiver that I just picked up.  I have always wanted one of those. Stag? |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 10:52:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: As much as I love and prefer shooting my Block II CQBR, there's just something about the Block I aesthetics. It will forever be a classic. https://i.imgur.com/8butZIz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/U2abwZ7.jpg |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 10:57:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brodband8]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dyzastr: Nice block 1 beauty. Can't believe this is the first time I noticed your front cqd on the wrong side. The reversed selector is a tell tale sign he's a lefty lol |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 11:17:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I have always wanted one of those. Stag? Yeah, I snagged a Stag lefty upper, BCG, and spare bolt off the EE for a really good price. I tough it out shooting suppressed as a lefty but want to try out a lefty upper to see how big of a difference it makes. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 11:18:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HD2006]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: The reversed selector is a tell tale sign he's a lefty lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Originally Posted By Dyzastr: Nice block 1 beauty. Can't believe this is the first time I noticed your front cqd on the wrong side. The reversed selector is a tell tale sign he's a lefty lol Yep, lefty here.
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Posted: 11/20/2020 12:14:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: Yeah, I snagged a Stag lefty upper, BCG, and spare bolt off the EE for a really good price. I tough it out shooting suppressed as a lefty but want to try out a lefty upper to see how big of a difference it makes. |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 12:19:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -KentuckyWindage-]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006: Honestly, I think it looks bad ass like that. I’ve got a spare SBR lower that I’ve been torn on what to do with. I think I may do a second all black CQBR. To add to the blasphemy I might use a lefty upper receiver that I just picked up. Thanks, love your MOD0 as well. The MOD0 is what gave me the hots for an all black CQBRBBC mine isn’t completed yet but should have it done by the end of next week. Now if I can find a damn Black NT4...... 
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Posted: 11/20/2020 1:01:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Thanks, love your MOD0 as well. The MOD0 is what gave me the hots for an all black CQBRBBC mine isn’t completed yet but should have it done by the end of next week. Now if I can find a damn Black NT4...... https://i.imgur.com/HcwHqzE.jpg That's actually pretty sick. |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 2:50:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Dyzastr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Thanks, love your MOD0 as well. The MOD0 is what gave me the hots for an all black CQBRBBC mine isn't completed yet but should have it done by the end of next week. Now if I can find a damn Black NT4...... https://i.imgur.com/HcwHqzE.jpg Anyone running McFarland style 1 pc gas rings on their bolt? Thoughts/ experiences? ETA- do they still run the 1pc gas rings on cqbr’s, or was that just early on in the game? |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 3:13:24 PM EDT
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I know it's contrary to the cloning rationale, but an all-black CQBR of any mod puts a tickle in my pickle. Nice work.
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Posted: 11/20/2020 4:07:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HD2006]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Thanks, love your MOD0 as well. The MOD0 is what gave me the hots for an all black CQBRBBC mine isn’t completed yet but should have it done by the end of next week. Now if I can find a damn Black NT4...... https://i.imgur.com/HcwHqzE.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By HD2006: Honestly, I think it looks bad ass like that. I’ve got a spare SBR lower that I’ve been torn on what to do with. I think I may do a second all black CQBR. To add to the blasphemy I might use a lefty upper receiver that I just picked up. Thanks, love your MOD0 as well. The MOD0 is what gave me the hots for an all black CQBRBBC mine isn’t completed yet but should have it done by the end of next week. Now if I can find a damn Black NT4...... https://i.imgur.com/HcwHqzE.jpg I’d probably get a black EXPS for it and black M300. Just so we don’t upset the clone gods, here’s my other CQBR. 
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Posted: 11/20/2020 4:08:03 PM EDT
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Which eotech logo is more correct for the exps 3-0. The older L3 eotech logo, or the one that just says eotech with the classic eotech reticle behind it?
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Posted: 11/20/2020 4:16:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 100roundclipazine]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oneofus: Which eotech logo is more correct for the exps 3-0. The older L3 eotech logo, or the one that just says eotech with the classic eotech reticle behind it? Same thing, neither are more correct than the other. Closest would be get the new one, and send it to ankratz for cerakote and hunter rifleworks for engraving the SU markings. Or pay like $1k+ for a real su231 or something EDIT: Read 2 posts down |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 4:59:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
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I purposefully went out of my way to find a Black DD RIS II when I built mine... don’t care what anyone says, CQBRBBC is the way.
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Posted: 11/20/2020 5:28:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cmdexe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 100roundclipazine: Same thing, neither are more correct than the other. Closest would be get the new one, and send it to ankratz for cerakote and hunter rifleworks for engraving the SU markings. Or pay like $1k+ for a real su231 or something Wrong. The L3 logo IS clone correct prior to SU231A markings when tanodized g33s were being issued. They've also been seen on MARSOC M4A1 and CQBR rifles.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 5:33:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 100roundclipazine]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JonnyMoses: Wrong. The L3 logo IS clone correct prior to su231a markings when tanodized g33s were being issued. They've also been seen on MARSOC M4A1 and CQBR rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/265309/16998036_10211832724283751_5310535520933-1693423.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/265309/16997827_10211832725723787_4432114194636-1693431.JPG Ahh, forgot about those pics. Then OP, you may as well get the L3 logo Are those still SU marked but with the l3 logo as well? Or just off shelf commercial units? |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 5:35:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2020 6:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger: I purposefully went out of my way to find a Black DD RIS II when I built mine... don't care what anyone says, CQBRBBC is the way. I really need to get a proper can though. |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 7:41:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 100roundclipazine: Ahh, forgot about those pics. Then OP, you may as well get the L3 logo Are those still SU marked but with the l3 logo as well? Or just off shelf commercial units? Just off the shelf |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 11:47:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: No CQBRBBC is absolutely not the way. Still have my fde rail, guess I will start ordering parts tonight. Thinking on doing a Nightforce 2-10 CQBR build .. |
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Posted: 11/20/2020 11:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brodband8: Just off the shelf Good to know |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 1:23:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Still have my fde rail, guess I will start ordering parts tonight. Thinking on doing a Nightforce 2-10 CQBR build .. Do it. I dabbled with it a couple months ago, but had an over whelming need to build up a mini NSW with it. Definitely would be ITW inspired one off. It's fun slapping random clone parts together isn't' it?   |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 2:23:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: Do it. I dabbled with it a couple months ago, but had an over whelming need to build up a mini NSW with it. Definitely would be ITW inspired one off. It's fun slapping random clone parts together isn't' it? https://i.imgur.com/31DOlgL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GZHdspX.jpg ahh shit always wanted to throw an nx8 or atacr on the cqbr, and now you tempt me. |
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