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hoyasaxa10
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:02:49 PM
[Last Edit: 2/15/2013 3:16:22 PM by hoyasaxa10]
Opinions on these? I use a discreet case for my AR, and I've noticed that the take down pins are not the easiest to remove (mainly the front pin). I looked into extended pins from Brownells (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-action-parts/takedown-parts/pins/ar15-m16-308ar-extended-takedown-pins-prod54614.aspx). I know I can just use punches, but I don't know if I'll always have them available; additionally, I would like to avoid marking up my takedown pins with the punch.

Anyone use the pins? Are they usually made to spec and fit well?

Thanks.

Edit: Also, I wasn't sure where this should go, so feel free to move appropriately.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:17:19 PM
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:45:10 PM
Thanks, I'll look into those as well.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:17:23 PM
I use the YHM pins on my 9mm. It's the only AR I use them on because it is a recreational rifle for me. They stick out quite a bit and snag on quite a bit. But if you don't care about that, or don't worry about a streamlined rifle, they are great to have.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:25:31 PM
Waste of money.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 5:46:24 PM
Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Waste of money.

to each their own

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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:08:06 PM
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Originally Posted By undercoverwookie:
I use the YHM pins on my 9mm. It's the only AR I use them on because it is a recreational rifle for me. They stick out quite a bit and snag on quite a bit. But if you don't care about that, or don't worry about a streamlined rifle, they are great to have.


My AR is mainly for recreational use at the range and in Carbine courses. I occasionally will take it hunting, but I have other rifles for that.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:19:29 PM
Originally Posted By hoyasaxa10:
Originally Posted By undercoverwookie:
I use the YHM pins on my 9mm. It's the only AR I use them on because it is a recreational rifle for me. They stick out quite a bit and snag on quite a bit. But if you don't care about that, or don't worry about a streamlined rifle, they are great to have.


My AR is mainly for recreational use at the range and in Carbine courses. I occasionally will take it hunting, but I have other rifles for that.


Then you really don't need them. To each thier own, but I think a small plastic punch would work best for you.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:38:28 PM
I have them and love them. The AR platform is full of crap poking out of it anyway. I sanded mine lightly so that they come out easier. They have never come out or snagged on anything unexpectedly.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 6:45:54 PM
IMHO the extended take down and pivot pins fall in the same category as the large extended tactical latches on charging handles - they are nothing but an additional snag hazard, that get pulled at the most unexpected times,added to a rather modest profile rifle.
Im sure they have an application for some folks like competition shooters etc. but I have no use for them.Maybe if I had to use a fixed mag/bullet button the extended push pins would be nice.Otherwise I don't have to pop my uppers open enough to require a feature like that and consider it as adding gadgets.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:28:58 PM
I considered them when I bought my rifle but after a year the pins became much easier to work. I used to use a .223 round to help push the pins but now after them breaking in I can just use my fingers. IMO just another snag
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Posted: 2/15/2013 7:49:03 PM
I had some similar to the ones from Brownells. They were a waste of money. I have a set of the YHM pins on a different lower and they are much nicer. Are they necesary? No, but I like them. Makes getting a tight fitting receiver apart easier. YMMV
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:03:28 PM
Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Waste of money.


Funny, I find them quite handy. Several of my AR's are stored apart and the large heads on the pins let me assemble and disassemble my carbines quickly. I have them on nearly every AR I own.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:09:54 PM

Originally Posted By Colt_sporter:
Originally Posted By Caeser2001:
Waste of money.


Funny, I find them quite handy. Several of my AR's are stored apart and the large heads on the pins let me assemble and disassemble my carbines quickly. I have them on nearly every AR I own.
I guess you could say a cleaning rod is quite handy as well if you get a lot of FTEs

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Posted: 2/15/2013 9:14:41 PM
I definitely understand both approaches - if you have trouble with them snagging on things, then it's not too helpful. I would hope that they wouldn't just slide out easily - could lead to some serious issues.

I have a Larue discreet case for my AR, so I store the upper detached from the lower. The off and on every time I take it out is what made me look into extended pins.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:13:29 PM
I thought about getting them but I have no problem at all getting standard takedown pins to pop off. Simple push of the thumb then pull the rest out. If you need a punch to push them out I'm pretty sure the wrong sping was used.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 10:35:44 PM
KNS makes a good takedown and pivot pin. I personally just use a bullet or whatever to push normal pins out. I don't really worry about scratching them yet some how they remain un- scratched. You could always keep a small Delrin punch in your carry case to soothe your OCD tendencies.

FWIW, I have found the KNS pins to come in handy as part of my tool kit. You can put an upper and lower together without the springs and detents.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:24:05 AM
I think that they are unnecessary. Just something else sticking off the gun to get caught up on stuff. You can take your time taking your rifle down but if you are in a jam you aren't going to be worried about scratching your finish so a 556 round is a great tool for knocking them out. Keeping them oiled helps too. Can't tell you not to get them but i can tell you I wouldn't
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Posted: 2/16/2013 10:44:23 AM
To me, they are more trouble than the benefit they offer. I do have friends who love theirs, they put them on all ARs.
I use a bullet tip and don't have to worry about them hanging on things. Is fine to be different, it is your money/your gun.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:19:43 AM
Really how long does it take to pop two pins to take an AR apart? Seconds? If you shoot it enough it will not be tight for long. Sac up and spend your money on ammo. Folks and there safe queens mystify me.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:29:43 AM
Originally Posted By Cavitation:
Really how long does it take to pop two pins to take an AR apart? Seconds? If you shoot it enough it will not be tight for long. Sac up and spend your money on ammo. Folks and there safe queens mystify me.


Last time, I couldn't get the front pin out without a punch. I could get it out partially, but not all the way. The rifle isn't a "safe queen" in that I'm "afraid" or "opposed" to shooting it, I just choose not to leave it assembled in my house. Every person has their own preference. Just like I choose not to keep an AR magazine loaded - this is not a self-defense weapon for me.

$20 for pins is only about 20 rounds of ammo these days anyways, and that's when I can find it. The price isn't prohibitive; it's the functionality that I am interested in.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 12:45:09 PM
Originally Posted By hoyasaxa10:
Originally Posted By Cavitation:
Really how long does it take to pop two pins to take an AR apart? Seconds? If you shoot it enough it will not be tight for long. Sac up and spend your money on ammo. Folks and there safe queens mystify me.


Last time, I couldn't get the front pin out without a punch. I could get it out partially, but not all the way. The rifle isn't a "safe queen" in that I'm "afraid" or "opposed" to shooting it, I just choose not to leave it assembled in my house. Every person has their own preference. Just like I choose not to keep an AR magazine loaded - this is not a self-defense weapon for me.

$20 for pins is only about 20 rounds of ammo these days anyways, and that's when I can find it. The price isn't prohibitive; it's the functionality that I am interested in.


Get em, try em and report back.
As far as the front pin being too tight, have you tried pushing it after you have the rear pin out and the receivers are hinged a bit, rather than pushing it while they are still tight together. That should loosen the front pin some.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 1:37:44 PM
[span style='font-weight: bold;']Originally Posted By Bretshooter:

Get em, try em and report back.
As far as the front pin being too tight, have you tried pushing it after you have the rear pin out and the receivers are hinged a bit, rather than pushing it while they are still tight together. That should loosen the front pin some.


I have not tried that; I'll give that a try to see how it works. Thanks for the tip.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 2:21:26 PM
Originally Posted By undercoverwookie:
I use the YHM pins on my 9mm. It's the only AR I use them on because it is a recreational rifle for me. They stick out quite a bit and snag on quite a bit. But if you don't care about that, or don't worry about a streamlined rifle, they are great to have.


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Posted: 2/16/2013 2:26:11 PM
Extended take down pins are like half the junk they make for these rifles, not needed and a way to separate people from their money. Just like the BAD lever, can there me a more useless waste of money.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:31:34 PM
Sounds like you guys dont ever carry multitools or knives, the hand stop on my CRKT M16-13SFG works great at pushing pins in to start them.

http://www.lifeviewoutdoors.com/images/thumbnails/7/250/CRKT-M16-13SFG-Tanto-Knife.jpg

And no i didnt pay a rediculous about for this, it was like 35$ at the PX at Camp Ripley MN.

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