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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:37:19 AM
[Last Edit: 11/3/2012 1:16:45 AM by suprshootr]
Me and a couple buddies decided to start a series torture testing and reviewing various firearms and accessories. The channel is called tactical arms review.

We started with the torture testing series. The first videos were fly by night as we shot them a couple years ago just for fun but we are planning to get into more detail with future videos.

AR15 1,000 round torture test.

Details are posted under the video in the description.

Constructive criticism and theories are welcomed.

Edit to add link to thread for MSAR STG 556-E4 1,000 round torture test: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_43/382630_.html&page=1








Here's some pics:



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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:44:43 AM
Meh 1000 rounds is only 2 normal range days.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 1:13:56 AM
I like it.. but I think people might be more interested in seeing torture testing in terms of adverse conditions.. packing the rifle with snow, dirt, mud, dropping it from high places etc. In my mind I think that's more of a torture test for the rifle in a more applicable scenario for real world. I can't imagine a situation where I'd rattle off 1k rounds but I can imagine a situation where I might have to throw the rifle from a moving car (not really but an example) or something like that.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 1:26:55 AM
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Originally Posted By JimboJones1:
I like it.. but I think people might be more interested in seeing torture testing in terms of adverse conditions.. packing the rifle with snow, dirt, mud, dropping it from high places etc. In my mind I think that's more of a torture test for the rifle in a more applicable scenario for real world. I can't imagine a situation where I'd rattle off 1k rounds but I can imagine a situation where I might have to throw the rifle from a moving car (not really but an example) or something like that.


I agree. This isn't a torture test that reflects a realistic scenario, but it does tell us something about these weapons and the accessories.

When we shot it, we didn't have a channel in mind. It was just meant to be fun and really torture the weapons to see if they could get through 1k rounds. I thought they would make it.

Future videos will reflect more realistic scenarios.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 1:27:53 AM
Watch it will be for sale on EE,
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Posted: 11/3/2012 2:35:24 AM
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Posted: 11/3/2012 3:00:50 AM
Originally Posted By LIL-COMMANDO:
Watch it will be for sale on EE,


"Recently broken-in"
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Posted: 11/3/2012 3:15:25 AM

Originally Posted By cletussd:
I'll raise

Round cooking off at 2:14?
PinPointOne: Cereal killer??? WTF did Cap'n Crunch or Count Chocula ever do to you ?

Sgtar15: They made me Coo-coo for coco puffs.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 3:29:46 AM
How much longer would the rifle go if it had been free floated with quad rails?
Thinking about air circulation of course.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 8:04:22 AM
Originally Posted By TheJammer:
Originally Posted By LIL-COMMANDO:
Watch it will be for sale on EE,


"Recently broken-in"


Test fired and returned to box. Like new, minor handling marks
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Posted: 11/3/2012 8:22:27 AM
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The sustained rate of fire for the M4 is about 15 rounds per minute...

The sustained rate of fire on some BELT FED MACHINEGUNS is only 100-200 rounds per minute…

The basic load for soldiers is SEVEN, 30 round magazines…


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Posted: 11/3/2012 9:14:57 AM
so you wasted 1k to prove a gun will get hot if you abuse it?

okay
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:05:10 AM
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:
so you wasted 1k to prove a gun will get hot if you abuse it?

okay



Didnt see any abuse they were just shooting the rifle. . One thing they did prove is the rifle failed after firing 1k rounds through it really fast.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:08:48 AM
WTF happened to the finish on the barrel between the handguards? It looks like it was painted and the heat cracked the paint and primer.

OP, while I agree with others that this really isn't a torture test it does show the rifle can/will shoot 1000K rounds in a relatively short period of time without fail so we can all appreciate that. I didn't get the name/brand of ammo though. Was it steel cased or brass?
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:21:12 AM
Must be nice to have money to throw away like that.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:23:04 AM

Originally Posted By 1MRBEAN:

Didnt see any abuse they were just shooting the rifle. . One thing they did prove is the rifle failed after firing 1k rounds through it really fast.

Really, the max/extended ROF are already known, go past them and the gun will fail (ie abuse). Beside proving a already known fact, how was burning up a barrel a "test."



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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:26:59 AM
So, that's how you fit a rifle length gas tube in a carbine
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:39:02 AM
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So, that's how you fit a rifle length gas tube in a carbine


I was wondering what was going on with the gas tube. I'm new to SBR's. I figured it should look the same as any AR gas tube, just shorter, not wound around the barrel...
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Posted: 11/3/2012 11:38:26 AM
Originally Posted By misc:
How much longer would the rifle go if it had been free floated with quad rails?
Thinking about air circulation of course.


I don't know but I think it would have made it further. The double heat shield hand guards do hold in too much heat.

The second video(s) is where the destruction actually happens of these firearms.

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We 1,000 round torture test an AR15 SBR (short barreled rifle). Upper is an 11.5 inch manufactured by BCM with a Colt manufactured BCG. The lower is manufactured by Colt. I was lucky it did not have a major kaboom so I DO NOT recommend anyone try this. By the 24th mag the gas tube melted to the barrel. I had to manually extract rounds and charge the rifle. The hand guards were almost completely destroyed. I later found out the barrel was basically shot out. It would shoot lighter loads okay but heavier loads would keyhole. The whole rifle was extremely hot. The Aimpoint and Streamlight were very hot but no problems with either. I used various 30 round mags (USGI, PMAGS) and ammo (Federal M193, Prvi Partizan M193, Wolf 223 steel cased 55gr, Black Hills 223 remanufactured 75gr) for the test. I believe the rifle would have lasted longer if it had an aluminum rail system instead of the double heat shield hand guards. The hand guards just hold in too much heat.


We 1,000 round torture test to my MSAR STG 556-E4. I was lucky it did not have a major kaboom so I DO NOT recommend anyone try this. By the 32nd mag it started to cook off. The mag didn't want to come out at first, but I was eventually able to get it out. The receiver was extremely hot. The MBUS sights melted to the rail. The ACOG was very hot but no problems with it. The take down button wouldn't move so I was unable to disassemble the bullpup. I believe it melted or lost its shape from the heat. All lube cooked off so the guide rods were chewed up with much of the outer finish (chrome?) scraped off. I was finally able to get the charging handle to move after coating the rails with CLP, but It felt rough. I used various 30 round mags (MSAR E4 mags, USGI, PMAGS) and ammo (Federal M193, Prvi Partizan M193, Wolf 223 steel cased 55gr, Black Hills 223 remanufactured 75gr) for the test.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 11:46:49 AM
Originally Posted By jmreagan:
WTF happened to the finish on the barrel between the handguards? It looks like it was painted and the heat cracked the paint and primer.

OP, while I agree with others that this really isn't a torture test it does show the rifle can/will shoot 1000K rounds in a relatively short period of time without fail so we can all appreciate that. I didn't get the name/brand of ammo though. Was it steel cased or brass?


That was caused from the heat. It didn't make it through 1k. The gas tube warped less than 700 rounds.

I used various 30 round mags (USGI, PMAGS) and ammo (Federal M193, Prvi Partizan M193, Wolf 223 steel cased 55gr, Black Hills 223 remanufactured 75gr) for the test.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 11:54:21 AM
While these torture test don't necessarily reflect a more common real world scenario like getting sand in the receiver; it's definitely a torture test.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:13:48 PM
Its nice to see equipment getting serious use. 90% of the parts produced end up on rifles that see very light use. Ar15's are so robust even my lowest end stuff looks like it only gets handled by the history channel firearms expert who wears white cotton gloves.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:21:47 PM
Originally Posted By zzzspacezzz:
Must be nice to have money to throw away like that.


You say throw always i say it would have be fun to do it myself.

Thanks for the test op.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:22:59 PM
Was that their hammer forged barrel ?
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:26:53 PM
Originally Posted By Alexville:
Was that their hammer forged barrel ?


No. I wish it was though. I'm curious to know how much of a difference it would make.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 12:47:53 PM
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I wonder if 1k rounds of semi auto=500 rounds on full auto?
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