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Posted: 10/26/2012 1:01:24 AM

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Okay, I am new to AR-15s and I don't actually have one yet but plan on buying myself one for Christmas with the Christmas bonus my company gives out. The first question is, what would make a good "entry level" AR-15? I have several in mind and want to know if they would fit the bill. The first one is the Bushmaster M4A3 Patrolman's Carbine and the other is the Colt LE6920 Carbine. I also am interested in the M4-A3 Patrolmans Carbine Quad Rail. I have heard that Colt and Bushmaster are both very good manufactures.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 1:04:23 AM
Get the Colt. More "up there" than entry level.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 1:11:49 AM
Originally Posted By Islandboy671:
Get the Colt. More "up there" than entry level.


I have a newer Bushmaster, and although I am more than pleased with it I would say get the Colt if you can afford it. It's the gold standard as far as ARs go. If you are looking to get mags, ammo, and maybe an optic then I would go with the Bushmaster as you will have more excess money to spend on accessories. Just my two cents.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 1:27:31 AM
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Can Colts accept M-16 and M4 Magazines? I just want to put a quad rail system on it eventually to put a Foregrip, and optics and such on it. I have a stupid question. Can a Colt accept Bushmaster accessories? Can any AR-15s on the market these days come with a Bayonet Lug?
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Posted: 10/26/2012 1:40:44 AM
Originally Posted By JMicheals1984:
Can Colts accept M-16 and M4 Magazines? I just want to put a quad rail system on it eventually to put a Foregrip, and optics and such on it. I have a stupid question. Can a Colt accept Bushmaster accessories? Can any AR-15s on the market these days come with a Bayonet Lug?


M4 is the military 14.5" that the Ar15 semi-auto is based on. Yes, any good quality ar15 maker makes their ar15 to a spec that will allow any accessory to mount up to it. As long as Bayo lugs are allowed in your area, almost every Ar maker out there has them.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 1:41:31 AM
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Posted: 10/26/2012 2:40:46 AM
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Personally, I think Colt is overpriced. There are several other companies who make literally the SAME EXACT rifle for a lot cheaper... you're paying for the name, that's it. But others will say Colt has "reliability", but refuse to give any answer as to why the other companies are not reliable with absolutely ZERO proof to back any bullshit they spew. If today was 1980... Colt would be the go-to-gun, but today.... not so much. Don't get me wrong..... they are far from "bad" rifles, just overpriced.

For an entry level AR, which is what you're looking for, I say go with a Palmetto State Armory 16' M4. They are well above entry level for a very good price with $$$ left over for ammo, accessories, and extra mags. I personally have a PSA 16' M4 and love it.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 2:53:00 AM
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/rifles/palmetto-state-armory/psa-pa-15-qms-tac-pack.html

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/rifles/palmetto-state-armory/psa-16-pa-15-moe-act-package-carbine.html

Those two looked pretty good and they are affordable. My Brother has a Bushy and he put some of the gear he brought back from Iraq on it so he recommended a Bushmaster.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 3:30:01 AM
Either of the PSA offerings would be a solid choice.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 4:02:47 AM
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http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-SA1

I also saw this one too. I read that Stag Arms has a Govt Contract so could a Stag Arms be an option? Some of them are under 1K so its also in my price range.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 4:06:29 AM
Originally Posted By JMicheals1984:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-BM90289

I also saw this one too. I read that Stag Arms has a Govt Contract so could a Stag Arms be an option? Some of them are under 1K so its also in my price range.


I own a SATG and like it quite a bit, but no, it's not at the same level as the PSA specs. STAG's parent company Continental Tool and Machine supplies some parts to Colt when needed, but they are not a steady supplier to the military (ie Colt, FN, or KAC).
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Posted: 10/26/2012 4:14:58 AM
Del-Ton rifle kits are my choice for 1st time buyers.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 4:15:20 AM
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So I guess I'll be getting either a Bushy or a PSA or maybe a Colt. I'll have to see what kind of money I will have. I like the M4 configurations personally. Edit: I like the feel of the M4 and like the carry handle.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 8:38:17 AM
Just bought my first AR, went with Stag model 3 flat top. All said and done $850.00 out the door. I am very pleased with it. Shoots great,fill great, looks great. On top of that , left me with money to buy the extras you will need. I would do it again without even thinking. The other ARs are great rifles, I agree.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 8:52:39 AM
Originally Posted By balloo93:
Either of the PSA offerings would be a solid choice.


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Posted: 10/26/2012 8:57:06 AM
Nobody ever wonders if a Colt is as good as a PSA.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 9:00:08 AM
Get an SR-15. It'll be your last AR too.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 9:08:52 AM
bushmasters are far over-priced for what they offer, and no i'm not a colt fan boy, my first rifle was a bushmaster. great rifle, just overpriced for what it was. if you can afford a colt 6920, get it, if you'd rather use the extra money on ammo/mags/optics, get a PSA, theyre great also
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Posted: 10/26/2012 9:59:52 AM
Maybe I'm the only one, but of the 5 brands (S&W, Colt, DPMS, Olympic, Eagle Arms) of what I would consider "entry level" rifles that I have, the Colt is the worst when it comes to appearance. All of them function flawlessly so I have nothing to say about that side of the quality, it's the finish that I would consider "military grade". But when you look at the price of a Colt compared to other models of the same basic design, I think an entry level buyer would be better off buying a less expensive rifle with the furniture that they want.
This is just my humble opinion, but I would not buy another Colt if it were the last rifle on the shelf. And no, I'm not going to get rid of the one I have.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:01:33 AM
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The PSA M4 but open up our choices to include Daniels Defense, Windham, and Core 15. Take your time. Wait for sales especially the PSA daily and weekend sales.

And Doublestar...
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:11:58 AM
Originally Posted By Starky:
Maybe I'm the only one, but of the 5 brands (S&W, Colt, DPMS, Olympic, Eagle Arms) of what I would consider "entry level" rifles that I have, the Colt is the worst when it comes to appearance. All of them function flawlessly so I have nothing to say about that side of the quality, it's the finish that I would consider "military grade". But when you look at the price of a Colt compared to other models of the same basic design, I think an entry level buyer would be better off buying a less expensive rifle with the furniture that they want.
This is just my humble opinion, but I would not buy another Colt if it were the last rifle on the shelf. And no, I'm not going to get rid of the one I have.


Colt rifles come with built in personality Yes, I own one too and for the most part the fit and finish is spot on but it does have two birthmarks but silly me I like 'em
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:18:13 AM
If you ask me to recommend a "solid entry level" AR-15 I'm going to tell you to look at PSA, S&W, and Rock River. If you are asking what's the best deal around that combines value and quality I'd say look mostly at PSA.

There are many good brands out there and the prices will run the spectrum from $700 to $1700 just to get you in the door.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:23:17 AM
Seriously consider a Stag. They are fantastic rifles with the best customer support in the Biz IMO.

But as others said you can't go wrong with a colt or a PSA.

If you want mil spec features checks out Stags + package. Only an extra 100$
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:24:26 AM
Not trying to be a smart azz, but you should hold off on buying anything. Read this site as much as possible, and it wont be long before you will know the answers to all your questions and have a better idea on what manufacturers make rifles that will fit your needs. I believe this is the largest gun forum on the world wide web, lots of good info and the same questions get asked daily, so like I said take advantage of this FREE source of info and educate yourself. Don't rely on strangers to tell you what rifle to spend your hard earned cash on.
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:30:58 AM
OP, take a look at a Bravo Company gun.
Wicked windy, super far, a buncha mils, send it!
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Posted: 10/26/2012 10:36:18 AM
might as well get a higher end rifle to start with.

i bought a DPMS sportical for my first AR and LOVED it. but, i wanted something better so i got a sig sauer m400 which is also great.(i would recommend that as a first rifle)
then i sold the DPMS sportical upper and ordered a PSA upper...

moral of the story..start with a good rifle and you won't spend as much money!!
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