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Posted: 10/16/2012 8:59:15 PM
[Last Edit: 10/16/2012 9:08:26 PM by Foo_909]
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- Palmetto State Armory Mid-Length A2 Profile Premium, 16'' CMV Chrome-Lined Stripped Upper
- Spikes Tactical M16 Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group
- Palmetto State Armory Premium Classic Lower Build Kit
- Palmetto State Armory Lower Receiver
- Palmetto State Armory Forged T7075 charging handle
- 20 Round MagPul P-Mag
- Troy BattleSight Rear, Fixed

Also since I took this picture I have removed the sling. This whole setup weighed right at 7.2lbs with magazine and the sling so without a magazine in it it may be right around 7.0lbs dead even. I was looking at options to help lighten it up. Other than the obvious get a pencil barrel (or upper cheaper when the go on sale) and save 4oz., which I don't really know if it would be worth it as far as how it will affect muzzle climb. What options are out there that are cost effective and DO NOT hurt reliability? I would also like to stay with a mid-length setup as I feel it runs much cooler and maybe a little less dirty and doesn't cost much in weight.

All opinions appreciated!
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:42:55 PM
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:49:52 PM
Agreed, reprofile the barrel. Might also consider changing the hand guards to something a little lighter.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:50:05 PM
Throw a SOPMOD or other heavier stock on there to help it balance better and "feel" lighter.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:51:41 PM
Magpul handguards and rear flip up? Other than that just a lighter barrel prob your only option
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:52:01 PM
It's already light in its current config. How much weight do you realistically think you are going save over what you already have?
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:57:49 PM
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's already light in its current config. How much weight do you realistically think you are going save over what you already have?


Agreed. Fully loaded (red-dot, white light, sling, 30rd mag) should easily get you to 10lbs (which is absolutely fine). At that point, its more about balance and ergonomics which is why I'd recommend adding a heavier stock to help it feel lighter, and quicker handling...
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:58:07 PM
Originally Posted By N2CH_556:
Throw a SOPMOD or other heavier stock on there to help it balance better and "feel" lighter.


This or a heavy buffer. I went on a parts swapping frenzy on my two lowers swapping stocks grips and buffers cause I couldn't figure out why one felt so much lighter on the gun.. It ended up being the spikes t-2 buffer. Yes it actually made the gun heavier but it felt like a half pound lighter atleast cause it balanced it out so much better.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:03:10 PM
Really 7 pounds is not very heavy at all for a rifle. If there was a ton of optics and flashlights and stuff I would have suggested taking some of it off. But your weapon looks KISS already. Other than getting your barrel re-profiled to be lighter, there isn't much else you can do. If it is an HBAR barrel, then turning into a pencil barrel will save you about a pound of weight. But 6 pounds is about as light as you are going to get with an AR-15 rifle.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:14:39 PM
Magpul MOE adjustable buttstock. Light and no rattles at all. My M4gery has a light profile carbine length barrel as well. A2 upper it is lighter than my AK UF or my AK74. Even with 30 rounds feels light as a feather. Shoots real nice too.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:16:11 PM
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All right thank you all for the information and opinions, I don't have any complaints about the weight but just wondered if there were any options I was not aware of at this time. Is the MOE stock any lighter than the standard M4 stock? I can't imagine it is and the difference would be negligible if it is.

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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:32:21 PM
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's already light in its current config. How much weight do you realistically think you are going save over what you already have?



Once again I find myself echoing your thoughts....

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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:36:23 PM
Originally Posted By Stickman:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's already light in its current config. How much weight do you realistically think you are going save over what you already have?



Once again I find myself echoing your thoughts....



+1

You COULD have the barrel turned down to .625, replace the handguard/front/sight with lightweight tubular one and replace the buttstock with a CAR stock, but you have to ask yourself if it'd be worth it for a half pound.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:36:54 PM
Originally Posted By Stickman:
Originally Posted By warpig8654:
It's already light in its current config. How much weight do you realistically think you are going save over what you already have?



Once again I find myself echoing your thoughts....



+1

The only thing i thought of was a 14.5 cut. Take into consideration the distribution of the weight. Weight on the end of the barrel might be X.Xoz, but with leverage taken into account it feels like more.

Realistically, get stronger. That's about as light as a rifle gets.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:38:07 PM
Get a 7.5" barrel
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:40:32 PM
Originally Posted By d5griffin:
+1

The only thing i thought of was a 14.5 cut. Take into consideration the distribution of the weight. Weight on the end of the barrel might be X.Xoz, but with leverage taken into account it feels like more.

Realistically, get stronger. That's about as light as a rifle gets.


It is not an expensive carbine, which is why I didn't throw out the idea of cutting the barrel and re-profiling. You are correct that a lighter barrel chopped down, or even going the SBR route would be lighter.

Weight to cost savings? Ehhhhh, probably not worth it, at least not to me. Then again I've got more than my fair share of AR15s....


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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:46:39 PM
.625 barrel contour with an MI SS gen 2 rail (or carbon fiber hand guard) and low profile gas block should save a bit. After that you pretty much have to get out a mill and start shaving stuff.
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Posted: 10/16/2012 10:53:40 PM

^ doing something like that might help...
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Posted: 10/17/2012 12:00:14 AM
You could take a little weight off by using Magpul carbiine hand guard and MOE stock. Maybe even the MBUS rear sight. Other than that, you are pretty featherweight as is.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 12:04:52 AM
Take off the hand guards, D-ring, and remove the front hand guard backet. Wear a kitchen mit on front hand while firing.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 12:05:50 AM
Send me your rifle and I will get you this in return problem solved.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 12:15:51 AM
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People are real douchebags on here if you want anything light. Here are some helpful answers.

Get a heavier buffer/stock, but don't get a longer stock or it'll feel heavier. Weight close is light, weight far away is heavy. Leverage. I see your stock is quite extended. Try shooting it fully collapsed. Nose to charging handle. Shorter is lighter.

Contour the barrel down will save a lot. Chop it to 14.7 or 14.5 while you're at it. You can go down to .625, .575, .560 or even .550 contour.

Get rid of the front sight post and get a carbon tube, or an NSR rail, with a low profile gas block (.625 of course).

Get front and rear MBUS. Better yet, just put on a H1/T1/RMR on the back and forget irons.

Do this and it'll be very, very light.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 12:32:34 AM
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Do those handguards have double heat sheilds? if so you that may be effecting the rifles balance.. A set of old fashioned tapering hand guards with a single set of heat sheilds would reduce weight and the feeling of the gun being front heavy.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 12:46:02 AM
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Originally Posted By Scuds03:
Take off the hand guards, D-ring, and remove the front hand guard backet. Wear a kitchen mit on front hand while firing.


Hahaha I almost spit my drink out, that's the best idea I've heard so far.

Guys I'm not saying the rifle I have built is heavy at all, I was just looking at suggestions for saving a few ounces here or there.

It actually feels pretty balanced to me as it is but yes it does have the double heat shields.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 7:05:06 AM

Originally Posted By Foo_909:
Originally Posted By Scuds03:
Take off the hand guards, D-ring, and remove the front hand guard backet. Wear a kitchen mit on front hand while firing.


Hahaha I almost spit my drink out, that's the best idea I've heard so far.

Guys I'm not saying the rifle I have built is heavy at all, I was just looking at suggestions for saving a few ounces here or there.

It actually feels pretty balanced to me as it is but yes it does have the double heat shields.

Losing a few ounces at the cost of losing practical capability isn't really worth it. For example, the sling isn't really dead weight.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 8:47:11 AM
Originally Posted By Tire:

^ doing something like that might help...


Yup..... rifle can't weight much more than 7-8 pounds.

Are you just trying to make it as light as possible or do you actually carry it around all day and need it lighter?
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