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Posted: 8/17/2012 7:40:55 PM
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wetidlerjr
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Posted: 8/17/2012 7:54:18 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Right now I have a couple of rifles using Young coated carriers. I have 2 new builds going on that I need carriers for. Young is backordered on the carrier I want so I was wondering if anyone else knows of any in the same price range? Don't buy a "coated" carrier. Spend less money for a conventional one and, every now and then, take five minutes and oil/ clean it. Or not. 
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Posted: 8/17/2012 8:06:53 PM
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water.
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Posted: 8/17/2012 8:08:27 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 8:15:01 PM
[Last Edit: 8/17/2012 8:16:14 PM by SlowTA]
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus... 
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. |
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wetidlerjr
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Posted: 8/17/2012 9:44:42 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. That's nice but I wasn't commenting on what was "just fine" but simply suggesting using oil for "lubricity" after cleaning them would enable you to spend less money for a very small increase in time spent. Or not.
( Using soap and water is just another waste of time and money but, hey, it's YOUR money and YOUR time.) |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 9:50:44 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. They use dawn soap to clean off baby ducks in oil spills..it MUST be good enough for our weapon systems !! |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 9:55:10 PM
Originally Posted By seekwolf:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. They use dawn soap to clean off baby ducks in oil spills..it MUST be good enough for our weapon systems !! That shit is corrosive. It will melt asphalt. 
I just prefer not to have to worry about not getting it all out. No need to clean super thoroughly exists anyway. |
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Posted: 8/18/2012 12:37:46 AM
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. That's nice but I wasn't commenting on what was "just fine" but simply suggesting using oil for "lubricity" after cleaning them would enable you to spend less money for a very small increase in time spent. Or not.
( Using soap and water is just another waste of time and money but, hey, it's YOUR money and YOUR time.) Maybe its late but I guess I'm missing what you're going for here. Are you saying save the money and just use lubricant as a buffer to keep the carbon build up from sticking? Forgive me if I'm way off. Been a long day. Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By seekwolf:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. They use dawn soap to clean off baby ducks in oil spills..it MUST be good enough for our weapon systems !! That shit is corrosive. It will melt asphalt.
I just prefer not to have to worry about not getting it all out. No need to clean super thoroughly exists anyway. I clean like that very rarely. Normally a clean is a dry paper towel followed by more oil. It takes me all of 15 minutes to clean both rifles start to finish though. Normally do it will watching tv or teaching friends how the rifles work. No wasted time IMO. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 12:37:42 AM
I'm a fan of NiB BCG's. They work great suppressed, keeps going after the lube is all burned off and clean up easy.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 12:56:00 AM
In my opinion the only reason for a coated carrier is ease of cleaning. Otherwise I have found that as long as you keep them somewhat clean in the field and well oiled they all run solid.
Like a previous poster stated, a papertowel and oil will keep it running. Once the day, week is over and I am home or in the station then it gets a good soak, scrubbing, etc. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:14:48 AM
[Last Edit: 8/19/2012 2:18:45 AM by B44T]
Chrome was the original carrier finish as per design spec by Stoner.
I suspect lubricity, and wear resistance were the first and second reasons for the finish selection followed by corrosion resistance. Easy cleaning is probably an unintended side benefit. Maganese phosphate a.k.a parkerized finish was implemented later as a cost cutting measure. Imhe in similar conditions my chrome carriers require less cleaning and less frequently than the parkerized ones in the M16A1/A2/M4's I carried. Edit to add Don't let lack of plating or coating be a deal breaker. I have seen carrier with NO finish run fine when lightly lubed. Get what you want and maintain it accordingly. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:44:20 AM
Get what you want and maintain it accordingly.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:41:14 AM
Originally Posted By B44T:
Chrome was the original carrier finish as per design spec by Stoner. I suspect lubricity, and wear resistance were the first and second reasons for the finish selection followed by corrosion resistance. Easy cleaning is probably an unintended side benefit. Maganese phosphate a.k.a parkerized finish was implemented later as a cost cutting measure. Imhe in similar conditions my chrome carriers require less cleaning and less frequently than the parkerized ones in the M16A1/A2/M4's I carried. Edit to add Don't let lack of plating or coating be a deal breaker. I have seen carrier with NO finish run fine when lightly lubed. Get what you want and maintain it accordingly. Does anyone know why the 23&P reads that no chrome carriers are to be used on deploying rifles? Phosphate carriers only. Chrome carriers used for state side use only. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:52:48 AM
I know all the benefits to having a coated carrier. I'm looking for some place to buy one without a bolt for under $150. The place where I normally buy a carrier from is out and I wanted to deal shop before I pulled the trigger on one from Young directly.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:54:23 AM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. I use soak all my weapons in the bath tub when I shoot corrosive ammo like the china steel core water wont hurt a AR15! unless your as dumb _ _ _ and dont oil it after cleaning |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 10:56:47 AM
[Last Edit: 8/19/2012 10:58:25 AM by FMJ]
Originally Posted By B44T:
Chrome was the original carrier finish as per design spec by Stoner. I suspect lubricity, and wear resistance were the first and second reasons for the finish selection followed by corrosion resistance. Easy cleaning is probably an unintended side benefit. Maganese phosphate a.k.a parkerized finish was implemented later as a cost cutting measure. Imhe in similar conditions my chrome carriers require less cleaning and less frequently than the parkerized ones in the M16A1/A2/M4's I carried. Edit to add Don't let lack of plating or coating be a deal breaker. I have seen carrier with NO finish run fine when lightly lubed. Get what you want and maintain it accordingly. I was told the chrome carriers caused problems in nam. then they switch Anyways never had any problems using standard carriers Full or Semi |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 11:14:51 AM
Originally Posted By FMJ:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. I use soak all my weapons in the bath tub when I shoot corrosive ammo like the china steel core water wont hurt a AR15! unless your as dumb _ _ _ and dont oil it after cleaning That's the thing, I don't see a reason to take a chance. Why create a condition that requires perfection to fix, when the condition isn't needed. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:14:51 PM
[Last Edit: 8/19/2012 2:18:52 PM by bigedp51]
Originally Posted By madcratebuilder:
Does anyone know why the 23&P reads that no chrome carriers are to be used on deploying rifles? Phosphate carriers only. Chrome carriers used for state side use only. Ten major post production changes were made in 1967 to the M16A1 to reduce jambing and stoppages, (BCG) lightened firing pin, parkerized bolt and carrier, new firing pin retaining pin and new buffer. The chrome would flake off the early BCG and these ten changes were "BEFORE" the chamber was even chromed. Bolt carrier finish altered from electrolyzed to chrome plated interior/parkerized exterior to reduce jambing and stoppages . These older chrome carriers are still in the inventory and are still being used on the older Air Force M16 rifles and are not to be used in combat. Page 225-226  |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 2:49:42 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I know all the benefits to having a coated carrier. I'm looking for some place to buy one without a bolt for under $150. The place where I normally buy a carrier from is out and I wanted to deal shop before I pulled the trigger on one from Young directly. Try here: http://www.architects15.com/SearchResults.asp?Search=young Sorry the link's not "hot".... I have ordered from them before and have been pleased. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 3:26:37 PM
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. I'm sorry but wtf RU talking about? |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 3:27:10 PM
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By FMJ:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. I use soak all my weapons in the bath tub when I shoot corrosive ammo like the china steel core water wont hurt a AR15! unless your as dumb _ _ _ and dont oil it after cleaning That's the thing, I don't see a reason to take a chance. Why create a condition that requires perfection to fix, when the condition isn't needed. I guess I'm confuse, are you saying that you are for or against the chrome coatings? And thanks for the link. They have some great prices on the m16 carrier I want it's just too bad they are out of stock.. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 3:29:43 PM
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Right now I have a couple of rifles using Young coated carriers. I have 2 new builds going on that I need carriers for. Young is backordered on the carrier I want so I was wondering if anyone else knows of any in the same price range? Don't buy a "coated" carrier. Spend less money for a conventional one and, every now and then, take five minutes and oil/ clean it. Or not.
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Posted: 8/19/2012 6:47:25 PM
Originally Posted By RUTGERS95:
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Right now I have a couple of rifles using Young coated carriers. I have 2 new builds going on that I need carriers for. Young is backordered on the carrier I want so I was wondering if anyone else knows of any in the same price range? Don't buy a "coated" carrier. Spend less money for a conventional one and, every now and then, take five minutes and oil/ clean it. Or not.
+1 Again, reading comprehension. I have my reasons for wanting a Coates carrier and am looking for one as such. But that also doesn't delve I to why it's bad aside from cost which from what I've seen is a negligible amount of difference. |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 6:50:54 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By RUTGERS95:
Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Right now I have a couple of rifles using Young coated carriers. I have 2 new builds going on that I need carriers for. Young is backordered on the carrier I want so I was wondering if anyone else knows of any in the same price range? Don't buy a "coated" carrier. Spend less money for a conventional one and, every now and then, take five minutes and oil/ clean it. Or not.
+1 Again, reading comprehension. I have my reasons for wanting a Coates carrier and am looking for one as such. But that also doesn't delve I to why it's bad aside from cost which from what I've seen is a negligible amount of difference. there is no reading comp issues here, what he said still applies. The reasons you gave simply do not warrant the added price for one which is why he said what he said and I agreed. Do what you want, I've got toys with all the latest and greatest in them but does't mean I didn't overspend...........as you will shortly |
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Posted: 8/19/2012 6:53:16 PM
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
Originally Posted By Dan_Gray:
Originally Posted By SlowTA:
I oil and clean my rifles just fine. I don't use the chrome carriers for better lubricity. I use them because it makes cleaning them a hell of a lot easier with soap and water. Soap and water is probably not the best thing to use. I personally use NiB because they don't jam as hard as phosphate. Why would soap and water not be the best thing to use? I've used it for a couple years now on my 5.56 rifle with the aforementioned carrier with zero problems. I also used it on my old 5.45 Adams arms upper with zero issues either, even shooting only corrosive Russian surplus...
ETA One of the uppers I am building is another 5.45 upper but is a DI setup this time instead of piston. Thats a large reason I want a coated carrier, for corrosion resistance. soap and water is probably the best thing to use as it's chemical properties breat down corrosive agents faster and seperate the oils/greases better than most agents. In fact, one of the best things to do with corrosive ammo is to spray some soapy water down the throat till you can get home an properly clean it |
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