 blackhawk400
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:10:57 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT any other perfect fit complete guns out there? i ask because i'm reccomending one for a friend of a friend and i'd hate for it to disappoint him. 
(i'm using the word "disappoint" here because i dont what word to use. i'd buy one in a second) my buddy just got a PWS pdw pistol and to me it wasn't anything i'd write home about. i think his BCM 14.5 is above and beyond the pdw. |
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Matt_B
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:26:28 AM
I've got PSAs, DDs and Colt and they all look good to me in terms of fit and finish. I've heard Colts aren't known for consistently good fit or finish but mine's fine for me. I guess I have low standards.
You might be better off slowly teaching your friend that the quality of a rifle's fit and finish doesn't affect its accuracy and reliability. If it still matters to him, his best bet is to buy a rifle in person so he can inspect it and avoid disappointment. |
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EdgecrusherXES_45
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:38:10 AM
My RRA was tight, matching and near perfect. That lasted only a little while once I started shooting and moding it.
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BillyJack
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:41:44 AM
My S&W was nearly perfect. Couldn't find a scratch or blem on it. My 2 Spike's lowers were perfect also, Well, until I smacked the crap out of the finish when installing the LPK. Now it has a nice blem down the side! Guess the difference is that it's MY blem...
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PredatorWhacker
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:41:53 AM
Poor fit and finish is the exception, not the rule with the majority of AR manufacturers out there. Even Colt. I'd be more concerned with selecting a manufacturer with a reputation for using quality parts that reliably function first. Fit and finish second. But you can have both. Any of the major players put out a good rifle.
Being you are in FL. I'd say check out Spikes. I have a few of their rifles and they are immaculate in function, fit, and finish. Probably a bit of a wait right now. Haven't checked in awhile. If you want to really make sure your friend is happy all the way around, check out Noveske. Other than that, the only way to be sure is to get your hands on the rifle before buying. |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:50:49 AM
You're in Fl.
Check out Knights Armament Company (KAC) Everything you could want in an AR and more. Too much money? Get the Colt...... ....... look around for a good price |
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Krylancelo
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:52:18 AM
Do you want a gun to showcase and display or do you want a gun to shoot? Or some mixture of both?
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dukhnt
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:52:28 AM
Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Poor fit and finish is the exception, not the rule with the majority of AR manufacturers out there. Even Colt. I'd be more concerned with selecting a manufacturer with a reputation for using quality parts that reliably function first. Fit and finish second. But you can have both. Any of the major players put out a good rifle. Being you are in FL. I'd say check out Spikes. I have a few of their rifles and they are immaculate in function, fit, and finish. Probably a bit of a wait right now. Haven't checked in awhile. If you want to really make sure your friend is happy all the way around, check out Noveske. Other than that, the only way to be sure is to get your hands on the rifle before buying. Not true. You don't have to hold the larue you will be buying to be sure it will be perfect. All the great things you have heard about larue are true. |
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Matt_B
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:56:17 AM
Originally Posted By dukhnt: It's literally impossible for anything man-made to be perfect. That's a standard no one can live up to, even Larue. You can be considered the best and still not be perfect. Not true. You don't have to hold the larue you will be buying to be sure it will be perfect. All the great things you have heard about larue are true. |
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Woody600
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Posted: 8/17/2012 10:58:09 AM
All these F&F threads make me want to throw my rifles down my driveway. "Yes, I understand that this car has only a 500 mile warranty on it, but how's the paint? Is it perfect?"
 Priorities man.My RR was a pretty rifle. My Colts (all that I own now) are all shooters that still look pretty good. |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:03:37 AM
there are many good finishes out there. real challenge is getting good fit.
all mil-spec type forged upper and lower receivers won't provide perfect fit. there are several manufacturers fitting forged upper and lower but they still loose compared to machined upper and lower set. I have a RRA NM A2 that has matched upper and lower for tight fit but over time I feel looseness. once I got larue predetAR, I don't even pay attention to my other forged AR's any more. no experience with noveske. if your friend wants best fit and finish, he needs to go with custom builders or build himself starting with matching machined receiver set. |
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dukhnt
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:07:13 AM
Originally Posted By Matt_B:
Originally Posted By dukhnt:
It's literally impossible for anything man-made to be perfect. That's a standard no one can live up to, even Larue. You can be considered the best and still not be perfect.
Not true. You don't have to hold the larue you will be buying to be sure it will be perfect. All the great things you have heard about larue are true. Mark actually uses machines now instead of building each rifle by hand, sweat, and tears....so they are no longer man made, this allows them to be the best annnnd be perfect.  .
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LeonC
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:39:20 AM
As mentioned already Spikes or KAC if you wanted to keep it local.
Both make great rifles. |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:42:28 AM
Core 15 is there in FL also. They are nice and are a great rifle. Fit and finish is a fad term. Use it like its supposed to be and the scratches and other marks just add character and give you stories to tell about how they got there.
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Matt_B
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Posted: 8/17/2012 12:16:22 PM
Originally Posted By dukhnt: You're missing the point. A human makes the machines he uses, a human programs the machines and operates them. While I appreciate your rabid adorations of Larue products, let's drop the hyperbole. It's not possible for anything to be perfect by virtue of the fact the perfection is in the eye of the beholder. Originally Posted By Matt_B: Mark actually uses machines now instead of building each rifle by hand, sweat, and tears....so they are no longer man made, this allows them to be the best annnnd be perfect. Originally Posted By dukhnt: It's literally impossible for anything man-made to be perfect. That's a standard no one can live up to, even Larue. You can be considered the best and still not be perfect. Not true. You don't have to hold the larue you will be buying to be sure it will be perfect. All the great things you have heard about larue are true. . |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 5:21:00 PM
Nicest rifles I have seen are Daniel Defense and LWRC.
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LA_357SIG
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Posted: 8/17/2012 6:09:38 PM
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Meh... Every company puts out gems alongside turds. In the end, what does it really matter when it's time to pull the trigger?
Bushmaster A1'ish upper and a Charles Daly lower. Unless you are taking glamor shots with expensive equipment, I wouldn't worry about cosmetic issues except for Colt's trademark swirlmarks of awesomeness. |
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Posted: 8/17/2012 6:11:31 PM
RRA, BCM, Rainier and of course....larue. Not in any certain order
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Posted: 8/17/2012 6:14:39 PM
[Last Edit: 8/17/2012 6:20:21 PM by hallstar606]
Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES_45:
My RRA was tight, matching and near perfect. That lasted only a little while once I started shooting and moding it. same with my RRA. although christensen arms makes one of the smoothest and beautiful finished rifles i have ever laid eyes on. but never actually held one. |
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WileyCoyote
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Posted: 8/17/2012 11:55:31 PM
i like finish on CMMG rifles, satin teflon, wipes down easy, looks good ;)
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PredatorWhacker
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Posted: 8/18/2012 12:37:36 AM
Originally Posted By Matt_B:
Originally Posted By dukhnt:
It's literally impossible for anything man-made to be perfect. That's a standard no one can live up to, even Larue. You can be considered the best and still not be perfect.
Not true. You don't have to hold the larue you will be buying to be sure it will be perfect. All the great things you have heard about larue are true. Have to agree with this. When I mentioned Noveske it wasn't from experience of owning one. Just from reputation of the odds being good that the product will also be good. Much like Larue. But like Matt said, anything man made can have flaws. Much like the recent thread about a guys new LMT. I've seen a couple threads where guys got less than great Noveskes. I order almost all my rifles and accept what I get and have been lucky. In fact the most cosmetically flawed AR I've got has been one I got to handle before buying. Last one on shelf that had been fingered and banged around by everyone that walked through the door. Excellent rifle though. |
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