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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:32:29 PM
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Medicfrost
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:34:41 PM
I like the looks of the magwell grip, but am afraid of what would happen to my hand if I fire a hot load, and get a kaboom, hence i stick with AFGs and VFGs.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:34:56 PM
I like my arm straight or close to it... AFG for me
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dcs12345
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Posted: 6/27/2012 4:48:55 PM
I prefer to have my hand farther out on the handguard. It seems to help me control the muzzle when swinging target to target.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:27:18 PM
Originally Posted By dcs12345: I prefer to have my hand farther out on the handguard. It seems to help me control the muzzle when swinging target to target. Same here. I don't use an AFG or VFG however as they tend to get in the way when shooting from barricades or other obstacles. I just fully extend my arm and use rail ladders as a reference point. |
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:47:56 PM
same i run my AFG farther up toward the end cause i like too get a grip far down on the rail
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EdgecrusherXES_45
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Posted: 6/27/2012 5:50:25 PM
AFG for me ... Gripping the magwell seems unnatural to me.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:24:31 PM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 6:24:59 PM by Evile]
The magwell is not a grip if you get a kaboom its pain time. Use the afg
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Posted: 6/27/2012 6:33:47 PM
In my kaboom, I was unfortunately holding the magwell. It burned my hand and forearms pretty good. No telling what would have happened if the receiver blew apart. I would stick to a safer distance from the explosion zone
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:03:50 PM
I didn't realize with modern ammunition that chamber and headspacing was such a huge deal still.
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Posted: 6/27/2012 7:16:13 PM
[Last Edit: 6/27/2012 7:17:04 PM by OlCrow]
Originally Posted By undone11091: Usually a ammo problem.I didn't realize with modern ammunition that chamber and headspacing was such a huge deal still. There are plenty of examples posted in these forums, here's just one. Where would your thumb be using a magwell grip?  |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 8:36:19 AM
I've got Mako magwell grips on all three of my ARs, love 'em. I've tried the arm fully extended grip with a Troy VFG, and while Troy makes a nice VFG it just didn't work for me at the range, I prefer to keep my elbows close to my sides, I'm just more accurate. Also tried moving the VFG as far back as possible, that was better but I had to completely remove the upper for cleaning as it no longer pivoted fully when I pulled the rear pin. I think mako's changed their design, the first one I bought a few years ago for my RRA lower covered up the serial # and had to be dremeled a bit for a good fit, but the last two I purchased within a year, one for another RRA and one for a Plum Crazy lower. Both of those had cutouts for the serial # and fit without mods. All my PMAGS will slightly rub enought that they don't drop free on release, but a little sanding will take care of that. None of my metal mags have that problem.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:25:27 AM
Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:33:46 AM
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:05:46 AM
Originally Posted By srob7001:
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. I'm guessing if the rifle blows up, it's not covered in the warranty lol |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:08:22 AM
Originally Posted By srob7001: Originally Posted By Marksman14: Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. You have missed the point. It has nothing to do with being Tier 1...it has to do with what is safe as you have noted yourself. In my opinion the Mako grip looks like lipstick on a pig. It's not needed in the first place since you can use a magwell grip without it. It's for people that think it makes them cool, not the other way around. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:22:13 AM
[Last Edit: 6/28/2012 10:22:46 AM by srob7001]
Originally Posted By OlCrow:
Originally Posted By srob7001:
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. You have missed the point. It has nothing to do with being Tier 1...it has to do with what is safe as you have noted yourself. In my opinion the Mako grip looks like lipstick on a pig. It's not needed in the first place since you can use a magwell grip without it. It's for people that think it makes them cool, not the other way around. My point was that a class is not needed to know things about what works and what doesn't work when shooting your rifle. Everyone always talks about taking a class like if you don't you don't know what you are talking about. A class would be fun, but it's not needed for most of us who only shoot at a range, either sitting, standing, or prone. Common sense tells me not to hold the magwell because of possible kabooms whether a sleeve is on it or not, not a class. Just like it tells me not to grab a hot barrel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:27:01 AM
Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES_45:
AFG for me ... Gripping the magwell seems unnatural to me. Same here. |
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OlCrow
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:27:52 AM
Originally Posted By srob7001: Originally Posted By OlCrow: Originally Posted By srob7001: Originally Posted By Marksman14: Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. You have missed the point. It has nothing to do with being Tier 1...it has to do with what is safe as you have noted yourself. In my opinion the Mako grip looks like lipstick on a pig. It's not needed in the first place since you can use a magwell grip without it. It's for people that think it makes them cool, not the other way around. My point was that a class is not needed to know things about what works and what doesn't work when shooting your rifle. Everyone always talks about taking a class like if you don't you don't know what you are talking about. A class would be fun, but it's not needed for most of us who only shoot at a range, either sitting, standing, or prone. Common sense tells me not to hold the magwell because of possible kabooms whether a sleeve is on it or not, not a class. Just like it tells me not to grab a hot barrel. I never took a class and didn't recommend it, I use common sense and 30+ years experience shooting AR's. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 10:31:24 AM
Originally Posted By OlCrow:
Originally Posted By srob7001:
Originally Posted By OlCrow:
Originally Posted By srob7001:
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. You have missed the point. It has nothing to do with being Tier 1...it has to do with what is safe as you have noted yourself. In my opinion the Mako grip looks like lipstick on a pig. It's not needed in the first place since you can use a magwell grip without it. It's for people that think it makes them cool, not the other way around. My point was that a class is not needed to know things about what works and what doesn't work when shooting your rifle. Everyone always talks about taking a class like if you don't you don't know what you are talking about. A class would be fun, but it's not needed for most of us who only shoot at a range, either sitting, standing, or prone. Common sense tells me not to hold the magwell because of possible kabooms whether a sleeve is on it or not, not a class. Just like it tells me not to grab a hot barrel. I never took a class and didn't recommend it, I use common sense and 30+ years experience shooting AR's. Ok, that's why my original post was quoted to Marksman14, who did say take a class. I think we are both on the same page about the common sense thing and basing what works for a shooter with time spent behind a weapon. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 2:40:58 PM
Originally Posted By srob7001: . . . That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. This is one of the reasons I recommend quality factory ammo for ARs. The 5.56 and .223 isn't really forgiving when it comes to sloppy sizing or loading. Some guys shoot with a magwell hold. This is what they do and it is not really wrong. There are different methods, and generally not a right or wrong way. I have seen top-tier instructors who shoot with a magwell hold. I have seen top-tier instructors who do not. I have seen well-respected instructors teach other stances that have advantages, but also serious disadvantages.
I do not shoot with a magwell hold, and we do not teach it in our courses, but we do have students who shoot that way. We do not make them change. We do ask that they try the stance that we teach.
If I shot with a magwell hold (I used to quite a bit, as there are big advantages in accuracy for a designated marksman with a non-free-floated barrel, which far outweigh the very slight possibility of a KB) I would use the MWG. It speeds reloads, and it provides a layer of tough, somewhat flexible material between my hand and the magwell in case of a KB to absorb the shrapnel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 3:38:57 PM
[Last Edit: 6/28/2012 3:39:23 PM by srob7001]
A Colt recenly kabooom'd with factory Hornady ammo.....it happens.
If someones likes the mag hold that's ok with me, I just don't prefer it. I don't trust any ammo enough to go with the mag hold, there is always a possibility of it happening. I actually used to use the mag hold, until I saw my first pics of a kaboom. I enjoy playing guitar too much to even risk that. Not knocking your product at all. Never used it, but if it helps others than that's all that matters. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 5:42:26 PM
You don't need either. Just my .02.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 5:46:28 PM
Originally Posted By echofivekilo: You don't need either. Just my .02.  Congratulations, you win this thread. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 7:49:40 PM
Originally Posted By OlCrow:
Originally Posted By srob7001:
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Take a class from any respectable trainer and that mako grip will end up in the trash. Maybe OP doesn't need to be a Tier 1 civilian. We don't all need or care to take classes. If all he is doing is shooting at the range, then what's the point of a class? That being said, I don't like the mag hold due to possible kabooms. My hands are pretty important to me. You have missed the point. It has nothing to do with being Tier 1...it has to do with what is safe as you have noted yourself. In my opinion the Mako grip looks like lipstick on a pig. It's not needed in the first place since you can use a magwell grip without it. It's for people that think it makes them cool, not the other way around. Why fix something that aint broke? Mag well grip is just for you to spend money on their product and in the end will not benefit the shooter in any way. The lower receiver works just fine as a VFG for me. As for an actual VFG, which I prefer, I run a Tango Down VFG as far forward on my rail, mostly to steady my hand when using my mounted light. |
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Posted: 6/28/2012 9:22:34 PM
[Last Edit: 6/28/2012 9:24:35 PM by Direct-Drive]
Originally Posted By undone11091:
I didn't realize with modern ammunition that chamber and headspacing was such a huge deal still. Focus on modern ammunition, any ammunition. Kabooms happen. If/when my kaboom happens I won't be holding the magwell. Edit: That "MWG" looks like pig lipstick to me as well.  |
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