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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:23:14 AM
THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Also will this cheek riser work with a charging handle? I'm using a 4 position stock? I can pull the charging handle back but I'm not sure if this will interfere. Currently watching youtube vids on how to deal with common AR15 malfunctions. I still need to save up for a ARMS rear BUIS. Also I did the conversion myself on the Saiga 12. PSA Complete upper 16" carbine Spikes Lower (Spider) BCM BCG BCM C/H Mod 4 Magwell grip CASV clone Raddlock button Magpul AFG MOE stock Cheeck Riser DPMS LPK DPMS buffer tube PMAG 10/30  _MG_2386 by defconskylude, on Flickr  _MG_2384 by defconskylude, on Flickr  _MG_2380 by defconskylude, on Flickr  _MG_2381 by defconskylude, on Flickr |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 2:16:58 AM
Will it pull back far enough to chamber a round? It doesn't look to me like it would, and are you sure you need the riser? If I had one I would be looking right over the top of the optics... but that's for me personally.
Also, do you have three hands?  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:22:08 AM
I avoid the magwell as a grip, it works for some shooting but if your rifle lets go, it will eff up your hand because the k-b goes through the magwell by design. Many rifles are designed this way from bolt guns to ARs.
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cosmos556
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:31:57 AM
Originally Posted By CFCNC:
Will it pull back far enough to chamber a round? It doesn't look to me like it would, and are you sure you need the riser? If I had one I would be looking right over the top of the optics... but that's for me personally. Also, do you have three hands? 3 hands... *snort*. OP, what will you use for a rear sight? I'm slightly concerned where you mention you're going to the range next weekend while mentioning you're saving for a BUIS. I see you won't be mating a carry handle for iron sight shooting, so I am curious. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 7:32:18 AM
Looks cool.
I expect in about 2 months you will have it completely stripped down with a different rail system and an emphasis on HSLD. You could easily knock some ounces off that rifle. Also don't support knock offs please. Buying a budget Chinese rail system is one thing but clones are basically thievery and you should support the fantastic companies like VLTOR out there by buying original products. VLTOR deserves your money, China doesn't. Congrats on the bang stick, need a range report! |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:24:58 AM
Originally Posted By CFCNC: Will it pull back far enough to chamber a round? It doesn't look to me like it would, and are you sure you need the riser? If I had one I would be looking right over the top of the optics... but that's for me personally. Also, do you have three hands? ill find out when i go to the range if i can chamber a round. it feels comfortable extended to the fullest right now. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:25:48 AM
Originally Posted By ErikS: I avoid the magwell as a grip, it works for some shooting but if your rifle lets go, it will eff up your hand because the k-b goes through the magwell by design. Many rifles are designed this way from bolt guns to ARs. i see what youre saying. im going to be purchasing a .22 CMMG conversion kit so i can use the magwell grip with that. |
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evlblkwpnz
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:30:03 AM
I've always wanted a Saiga 12.....
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:31:38 AM
Originally Posted By cosmos556: Originally Posted By CFCNC: Will it pull back far enough to chamber a round? It doesn't look to me like it would, and are you sure you need the riser? If I had one I would be looking right over the top of the optics... but that's for me personally. Also, do you have three hands? 3 hands... *snort*. OP, what will you use for a rear sight? I'm slightly concerned where you mention you're going to the range next weekend while mentioning you're saving for a BUIS. I see you won't be mating a carry handle for iron sight shooting, so I am curious. im looking at a ARMS 40L since i read it fits perfectly. still reading the archives for any other alternate solutions to the rear sight. i figured i can shoot it without the rear sight just to have some fun. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:33:40 AM
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz: I've always wanted a Saiga 12..... the Saiga 12 was my first gun that i purchased after watching sons of guns. lol ::flame suit on:: joined saiga-12.com to get some good information on how to do the conversion. some of the peeps at the range were amazed when they saw the S12 |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:37:18 AM
Originally Posted By durabo: Looks cool. I expect in about 2 months you will have it completely stripped down with a different rail system and an emphasis on HSLD. You could easily knock some ounces off that rifle. Also don't support knock offs please. Buying a budget Chinese rail system is one thing but clones are basically thievery and you should support the fantastic companies like VLTOR out there by buying original products. VLTOR deserves your money, China doesn't. Congrats on the bang stick, need a range report! whats an HSLD? i have a bunch of 10/22 conversions using airsoft stocks and accessories so when i find a real CASV in the used section, ill be swapping it out. i dont how to do a range report yet. im still reading up and learning the technical stuff. all i know that people shoot 5 rounds and measure the groupings at different distances and based on the bullet grains used. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:41:14 AM
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
Originally Posted By durabo:
Looks cool. I expect in about 2 months you will have it completely stripped down with a different rail system and an emphasis on HSLD. You could easily knock some ounces off that rifle. Also don't support knock offs please. Buying a budget Chinese rail system is one thing but clones are basically thievery and you should support the fantastic companies like VLTOR out there by buying original products. VLTOR deserves your money, China doesn't. Congrats on the bang stick, need a range report! whats an HSLD? i have a bunch of 10/22 conversions using airsoft stocks and accessories so when i find a real CASV in the used section, ill be swapping it out. i dont how to do a range report yet. im still reading up and learning the technical stuff. all i know that people shoot 5 rounds and measure the groupings at different distances and based on the bullet grains used. High Speed, Low Drag |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:51:52 AM
Originally Posted By texags06: Originally Posted By defconskylude: Originally Posted By durabo: Looks cool. I expect in about 2 months you will have it completely stripped down with a different rail system and an emphasis on HSLD. You could easily knock some ounces off that rifle. Also don't support knock offs please. Buying a budget Chinese rail system is one thing but clones are basically thievery and you should support the fantastic companies like VLTOR out there by buying original products. VLTOR deserves your money, China doesn't. Congrats on the bang stick, need a range report! whats an HSLD? i have a bunch of 10/22 conversions using airsoft stocks and accessories so when i find a real CASV in the used section, ill be swapping it out. i dont how to do a range report yet. im still reading up and learning the technical stuff. all i know that people shoot 5 rounds and measure the groupings at different distances and based on the bullet grains used. High Speed, Low Drag thanks. im just doing paper targets. i dont have any plans to take classes or competition. |
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Raven4031
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Posted: 6/22/2012 11:57:51 AM
Nice stick. Welcome to the club.
I see you have received a healthy dose of criticism on some of your add-ons, so I won't hit on those again, but the best thing you can do is get out there and shoot it. As you do, you will learn what you do and do not want on the rifle. Personally, I would get that BUIS ASAP and if it means selling the magwell grip, riser and rail to do it, I would. Right now, you have an ineffective weapon, with several add-ons that you may want, but can't currently use. Get that sight and you will have an effective weapon. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 12:04:52 PM
Originally Posted By Raven4031: Nice stick. Welcome to the club. I see you have received a healthy dose of criticism on some of your add-ons, so I won't hit on those again, but the best thing you can do is get out there and shoot it. As you do, you will learn what you do and do not want on the rifle. Personally, I would get that BUIS ASAP and if it means selling the magwell grip, riser and rail to do it, I would. Right now, you have an ineffective weapon, with several add-ons that you may want, but can't currently use. Get that sight and you will have an effective weapon. thanks yes i agree. i wont use the magwell grip when i shoot .223's. but i will use the magwell grip to shoot .22's ya ill get a BUIS with my next paycheck. |
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cosmos556
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:16:43 PM
[Last Edit: 6/22/2012 1:18:15 PM by cosmos556]
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
i figured i can shoot it without the rear sight just to have some fun. A function check is always good, but it's more fun to hit a target. You shouldn't need a full paycheck to save up for a BUIS. Have you considered a MaTech BUIS? They run about $40-$50 in the EE and can have elevation adjustments for 100-600 yards. ETA: A quad rail I like is the Knight's Armament M4 RAS. They run about $100 on the EE or $150 as "blems" directly from KA, and it's a pretty solid rail that locks into the barrel nut. I'd be much more comfortable with it than a replica of another rail. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:29:18 PM
Originally Posted By cosmos556: Originally Posted By defconskylude: i figured i can shoot it without the rear sight just to have some fun. A function check is always good, but it's more fun to hit a target. You shouldn't need a full paycheck to save up for a BUIS. Have you considered a MaTech BUIS? They run about $40-$50 in the EE and can have elevation adjustments for 100-600 yards. ETA: A quad rail I like is the Knight's Armament M4 RAS. They run about $100 on the EE or $150 as "blems" directly from KA, and it's a pretty solid rail that locks into the barrel nut. I'd be much more comfortable with it than a replica of another rail. im looking for cheaper backup sights that will fit and found a few under $100. ill check out the matech buis. thanks for the recommendation. found a KAC 600M MICRO FLIP REAR SIGHT BLACK for like $60-80. although im not sure if its airsoft or if its real.  |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:30:45 PM
wow this matech looks good. so this will take up 1 slot with CASV?
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:37:22 PM
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
wow this matech looks good. so this will take up 1 slot with CASV? http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/public/GXSdJr1OB6UsVq8Gp_A9Z1cCQodLHDlyhR6ehd_rANEzszvlUcc1l83se09sNbZEX1FsRBUO6CNmySKsroynugsVhFS-AZ5s5bPmidZRckuEgSoiOlecTqut8h54ChQvP919kQ_vRvqqHpalPFIPmz_bM5qmbjlUIqGHam2Ldxk If my memory is serving me right, it should fit your rifle. I don't remember how far forward it goes (not by my rifle right now) but as I recall it's pretty minimal. I'd browse through and buy one off the EE and mount it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2012 1:49:44 PM
Originally Posted By cosmos556: Originally Posted By defconskylude: wow this matech looks good. so this will take up 1 slot with CASV? http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/public/GXSdJr1OB6UsVq8Gp_A9Z1cCQodLHDlyhR6ehd_rANEzszvlUcc1l83se09sNbZEX1FsRBUO6CNmySKsroynugsVhFS-AZ5s5bPmidZRckuEgSoiOlecTqut8h54ChQvP919kQ_vRvqqHpalPFIPmz_bM5qmbjlUIqGHam2Ldxk If my memory is serving me right, it should fit your rifle. I don't remember how far forward it goes (not by my rifle right now) but as I recall it's pretty minimal. I'd browse through and buy one off the EE and mount it. i emailed the guy at EE for the MaTech $45 shipped. thanks |
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evlblkwpnz
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Posted: 6/22/2012 8:33:18 PM
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz:
I've always wanted a Saiga 12..... the Saiga 12 was my first gun that i purchased after watching sons of guns. lol ::flame suit on:: joined saiga-12.com to get some good information on how to do the conversion. some of the peeps at the range were amazed when they saw the S12 It is my favorite 'fun weapon' platform, period. There's just something about it.... |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 9:24:38 AM
Pssst...
I know you're just trying to be helpful, but the Matech won't fit behind a CASV... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 10:28:12 AM
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
Originally Posted By Raven4031:
Nice stick. Welcome to the club. I see you have received a healthy dose of criticism on some of your add-ons, so I won't hit on those again, but the best thing you can do is get out there and shoot it. As you do, you will learn what you do and do not want on the rifle. Personally, I would get that BUIS ASAP and if it means selling the magwell grip, riser and rail to do it, I would. Right now, you have an ineffective weapon, with several add-ons that you may want, but can't currently use. Get that sight and you will have an effective weapon. thanks yes i agree. i wont use the magwell grip when i shoot .223's. but i will use the magwell grip to shoot .22's ya ill get a BUIS with my next paycheck. Why the change in hand position between 5.56 and .22? Since you don't plan on using optics for some time, there's no sense in a folding BUIS...really at this point you're looking for "IS" since there is nothing to "BU". I'd go with a LMT, LaRue, or DD fixed rear. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:19:56 PM
Originally Posted By bassist: Pssst... I know you're just trying to be helpful, but the Matech won't fit behind a CASV... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile thanks yep i just found out after reading a thread in the archives. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:26:05 PM
Originally Posted By Trumpet: Originally Posted By defconskylude: Originally Posted By Raven4031: Nice stick. Welcome to the club. I see you have received a healthy dose of criticism on some of your add-ons, so I won't hit on those again, but the best thing you can do is get out there and shoot it. As you do, you will learn what you do and do not want on the rifle. Personally, I would get that BUIS ASAP and if it means selling the magwell grip, riser and rail to do it, I would. Right now, you have an ineffective weapon, with several add-ons that you may want, but can't currently use. Get that sight and you will have an effective weapon. thanks yes i agree. i wont use the magwell grip when i shoot .223's. but i will use the magwell grip to shoot .22's ya ill get a BUIS with my next paycheck. Why the change in hand position between 5.56 and .22? Since you don't plan on using optics for some time, there's no sense in a folding BUIS...really at this point you're looking for "IS" since there is nothing to "BU". I'd go with a LMT, LaRue, or DD fixed rear. a few guys said not to use the magwell grip when shooting a .223 because it might blow off my hand due to a possible kaboom. i like the looks of a folding rear sight. |
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Posted: 6/23/2012 6:33:55 PM
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
Originally Posted By Trumpet:
Originally Posted By defconskylude:
Originally Posted By Raven4031:
Nice stick. Welcome to the club. I see you have received a healthy dose of criticism on some of your add-ons, so I won't hit on those again, but the best thing you can do is get out there and shoot it. As you do, you will learn what you do and do not want on the rifle. Personally, I would get that BUIS ASAP and if it means selling the magwell grip, riser and rail to do it, I would. Right now, you have an ineffective weapon, with several add-ons that you may want, but can't currently use. Get that sight and you will have an effective weapon. thanks yes i agree. i wont use the magwell grip when i shoot .223's. but i will use the magwell grip to shoot .22's ya ill get a BUIS with my next paycheck. Why the change in hand position between 5.56 and .22? Since you don't plan on using optics for some time, there's no sense in a folding BUIS...really at this point you're looking for "IS" since there is nothing to "BU". I'd go with a LMT, LaRue, or DD fixed rear. a few guys said not to use the magwell grip when shooting a .223 because it might blow off my hand due to a possible kaboom. i like the looks of a folding rear sight. I understand and agree with what others have said, but my point is why even do a magwell grip in the first place? To me it makes no sense to have two separate grips on the same rifle. |
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