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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:33:05 PM
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If you file on that thing and something happens later down the road, they more than likely won't take responsibility for the problem.

Let PSA fix their fuck up, and don't do anything to it before sending it back. Liability is a bitch, especially nowadays!
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Posted: 6/16/2012 5:41:30 PM
I was just wondering if PSA still has their 6 points of quality control?

Ha ha ... talk is cheap.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:03:15 PM
Have you tried a different mag?


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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:21:54 PM
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Originally Posted By woodsman556:
The 5th round from the right reminds me of one of the pieces of brass from the Colt kaboom thread that everyone said was run over by a lawnmower.


I had the same thought.



Wow, had he dropped the hammer on one of those rounds, he would have had a KB.

To the OP, don't fire that weapon again. Get it fixed. If you fire a round with the bullet pushed back into the case you will get an over pressure situation and could harm yourself.

I'm very surprised this didn't turn out to be a PSA kaboom thread.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:36:50 PM
OP send it back to PSA. I had the EXACT problem with a new M&P15 T a few years ago.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 8:55:36 PM
The red circle and arrow show the problem very clearly:




There is a "ledge" that the bullet tips are hanging up on.

And it raises another question - is that a crack at the blue arrow?

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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:33:17 PM
mine is a new PSA as well. Is not perfect lined but I shot like 40 rounds of wapa .223 55g through it and it was fine, no jam. I haven't shot more since then. Your looks worse though but I should try shoot some more ... or you guys think if i could shoot those wolf ammo just fine, will I be fine like this?
Sorry for the pics, is from the cel and doesn't focus really well.

see the left side from the right ramp?



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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:44:37 PM
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Originally Posted By MikefromTX:
The red circle and arrow show the problem very clearly:

http://www.mrossnet.com/Arfcom.jpg

There is a "ledge" that the bullet tips are hanging up on.

And it raises another question - is that a crack at the blue arrow?


The blue circle is not a crack. It looks like marks made by the bolt assembly hitting the extension ramp ring. There's a similar mark on the right, but you can't see it in the image because of glare.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:50:30 PM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
mine is a new PSA as well. Is not perfect lined but I shot like 40 rounds of wapa .223 55g through it and it was fine, no jam. I haven't shot more since then. Your looks worse though but I should try shoot some more ... or you guys think if i could shoot those wolf ammo just fine, will I be fine like this?
Sorry for the pics, is from the cel and doesn't focus really well.

see the left side from the right ramp?

http://i49.tinypic.com/2mea35l.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/102tiy8.jpg


Extension doesn't look aligned correctly like the OPs. Untill you put a few more rounds through it, it's too soon to call it good to go. The 40 rounds isn't even two mags. But if it hasn't had a problem yet, so far so good. Don't get all hypochondriac'd because one gun from the manufacture has an issue.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 9:55:39 PM
ivanotano, what mags are you using?
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Posted: 6/16/2012 10:00:21 PM
Originally Posted By LutzNutz:
ivanotano, what mags are you using?


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Posted: 6/16/2012 10:22:39 PM
DItto

Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By LutzNutz:
Here's a shot of the ramps. If you look, you can see that the feeds aren't symmetrical.

I only tried Tapcos since that was all I had with me. It happened with both of my Tapco mags.

I figured it was the mags, since the loading issues I've had with other firearms usually boil down to mag issues. I didn't want to order a bunch of mags without a second or third opinion though.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/711/rampss.jpg

and the jammed cartridges:

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6118/cartss.jpg


It's not the mags... That upper needs to go back to PSA. The extension ramps are not lining up with the upper properly. The bullet is jamming in the little hole between the upper and extension and getting stuck. It should be a smooth transition between the bottom of the ramp on the upper and the top of the ramp on the barrel extension. Email PSA about it. Send them the pics.


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Posted: 6/16/2012 11:01:30 PM
OP, is the Tapco mag the only one you tried?

I'd also be concerned about neck tension on that ammo. Surprising how far the bullets are getting pushed in the case.

Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.

That being said, don't shoot that rifle or ammo anymore till you get things figured out. Definitely dangerous. If you saw the recent Colt blow up thread you can see what happens when things go wrong. Whatever the cause.

Hope you get it resolved quickly.

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Posted: 6/16/2012 11:45:28 PM
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Neck tension for .223/5.56 ammo is not high enough to stop the bolt slamming forward with the force of the recoil spring from pushing the bullet deep into a case like that!.

Most 55gn loads are seated not to very far from the ogive of the bullet, making it even easier to push the bullet that far into the case. Even with a tight crimp.

I've had probably hundreds of mil spec rounds do the same thing from malfunctioning weapons. Mil spec ammo is crimped AND sealed.

I wouldn't worry to much about the ammo. I think things are getting way to far read into here..


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Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.


Wow, are you serious man? Way to go on callin the new guy a POS! Your user title says "Not a fanboy of anything". Are you sure about that?

To the OP; Welcome to ARFCOM!
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:24:00 AM
Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.


The upper isn't marked (see PSA's product page stating such) but here's pictures of the barrel stamp and marked lower with my user name. I can't authenticate it more than that. I'm not here to bash PSA and I don't have a secret agenda; I went with them because I heard good things about their product and I wanted to support a company in my home state.



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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:40:24 AM
It's very hard to troubleshoot from pictures. Im thinking bad magazine.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 12:47:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Glock031:
It's very hard to troubleshoot from pictures. Im thinking bad magazine.

I agree, although the feed ramps could be cleaner.
The rounds are being fed too low.
I would bet that a good mag, feeding at the desired angle, would take the sloppy ramps out of play.

I still would like to see the OP send it back to be fixed by the builder.

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Posted: 6/17/2012 1:28:52 AM
Originally Posted By LutzNutz:
Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.


The upper isn't marked (see PSA's product page stating such) but here's pictures of the barrel stamp and marked lower with my user name. I can't authenticate it more than that. I'm not here to bash PSA and I don't have a secret agenda; I went with them because I heard good things about their product and I wanted to support a company in my home state.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6229/20120617000143.jpg
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4065/img3123m.jpg





why yours says PSA and mine says Palmetto??
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Posted: 6/17/2012 2:17:11 AM
Originally Posted By xtreme762:
Neck tension for .223/5.56 ammo is not high enough to stop the bolt slamming forward with the force of the recoil spring from pushing the bullet deep into a case like that!.

Most 55gn loads are seated not to very far from the ogive of the bullet, making it even easier to push the bullet that far into the case. Even with a tight crimp.

I've had probably hundreds of mil spec rounds do the same thing from malfunctioning weapons. Mil spec ammo is crimped AND sealed.

I wouldn't worry to much about the ammo. I think things are getting way to far read into here..


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Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.


Wow, are you serious man? Way to go on callin the new guy a POS! Your user title says "Not a fanboy of anything". Are you sure about that?

To the OP; Welcome to ARFCOM!


I'm aware that even cartridges with proper neck tension or crimp can do that. Seen it myself also. Also have seen much worse feedramps than that work just fine. Takes two seconds to do a push test on those cartridges to make sure there isn't a problem and avoid blowing some other rifle up because someone assures him not to worry it about and just disregard the possibility.

As for your other concerns, I could care less what you think. Don't recall calling him a "POS". I have my reasons for asking. Sorry you are reading more into it.

OP, as I said, I wasn't trying to imply you weren't being truthful. I thought I was fairly clear on that but maybe not. I apologize if it seemed that way. Not my intention.

There have just been several recent issues with PSA products and if they don't have their shit together, which it's starting to look like, I'm going to hold off recommending them to friends. I thought they were past this but maybe not. There are other places to deal with where this isnt a concern. But with the internet making it so easy to make things appear other than it really is, as has often been done, just wanted to make sure this wasn't one of those instances. There are a few people out there with an agenda and it would be easy to do. Speaking with several others, I'm not alone wondering this. I haven't had a problem with their rifles but almost every order I've made has had some mistake. They are quick to make it right but it's beginning to seem obvious someone isn't paying attention there. Mistakes are starting to seem more like the rule than the exception.

Again, sorry if my request seemed accusatory. As I said, I had my reasons for asking. Almost didn't because I figured somebody would overreact. They did. (not you) Thank you for posting the pic. Appreciate it.

Take care

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Posted: 6/17/2012 8:28:19 AM
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OP, contact CS via email or send an IM.

The bullet tip should hit the ramp in the center of the extension cutout, above the barrel extension/receiver seam. If your cartridges are hitting the center lug, they are way off course.

We test fire every upper to check function and feeding. Feedramps that do not line up perfectly with the upper can be a function of the receiver machining and barrel extension tolerance stacking.

Those feedramps look to be at the limit. We will gladly remove that variable from the equation for you.



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Posted: 6/17/2012 9:00:04 AM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
Originally Posted By LutzNutz:
Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.


The upper isn't marked (see PSA's product page stating such) but here's pictures of the barrel stamp and marked lower with my user name. I can't authenticate it more than that. I'm not here to bash PSA and I don't have a secret agenda; I went with them because I heard good things about their product and I wanted to support a company in my home state.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6229/20120617000143.jpg
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4065/img3123m.jpg



http://i45.tinypic.com/14xp4wi.jpg

why yours says PSA and mine says Palmetto??


Different lot numbers, different day of the week, different barrel suppliers, different guy on the stamping machine, PSA ordered a different stamp code. Take your pick.

Cool to see a PSA guy come in this... place. I'm sure they will take care of the OP.

Let's see... New guy comes with issue on gun. Forum responds with possible diagnosis. Fix is contact manufacture for repair. Purse swinging starts. Manufacture shows up before the next working day since thread started, offering to make it right... I see more purse swinging in this threads future followed by fan boy manufacture smearing, personal attacks, non-tech discussion, and the inevitable... System Message (that no longer contains a message).

This thread is nearing the end. IBTL.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 9:28:43 AM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
Originally Posted By LutzNutz:
Originally Posted By PredatorWhacker:
Can you post a pic of your entire rifle showing PSA logo? Not suggesting you are BSing us so please don't be offended. There have just been a couple first time posters posting pics claiming an issue with a PSA upper but when asked to post a pic showing the PSA stamp on the receiver or barrel stamp they mysteriously stop posting. It would help us hold PSA accountable. They need to make some changes if this is happening.


The upper isn't marked (see PSA's product page stating such) but here's pictures of the barrel stamp and marked lower with my user name. I can't authenticate it more than that. I'm not here to bash PSA and I don't have a secret agenda; I went with them because I heard good things about their product and I wanted to support a company in my home state.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6229/20120617000143.jpg
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/4065/img3123m.jpg



http://i45.tinypic.com/14xp4wi.jpg

why yours says PSA and mine says Palmetto??


Could be that your barrel is CHF and the OP's isn't. Other than that, as clickbangbang said. No telling, but they are both from PSA.

OP, keep us updated.

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Posted: 6/17/2012 9:33:42 AM
Originally Posted By MikefromTX:
The red circle and arrow show the problem very clearly:

http://www.mrossnet.com/Arfcom.jpg


There is a "ledge" that the bullet tips are hanging up on.

And it raises another question - is that a crack at the blue arrow?

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Yall need to read the thread - MikefromTx already found the problem - its the ledge behind the feed ramps.

Those ramps are fine.
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Posted: 6/17/2012 10:27:25 AM


How does anyone get their rifle that clean???

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http://i49.tinypic.com/102tiy8.jpg

How does anyone get their rifle that clean???

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My guess ... never fire it!

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