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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:09:00 PM
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:10:45 PM
Yes, yes and yes.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:11:38 PM
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 9:13:26 PM by foursixty]
When was the last time you ever saw anything that had metal parts working against other metal parts that ran without oil NOT cause problems. That is just asinine to me. Of course it cause premature wear. You may run yours for a while like that...not saying you can't or it will fail immediately. But metal parts need oil. It's that simple.
edited to add: It would be almost equivalent to drain the oil from your vehicle and drive everywhere. Just asking for it in my opinion. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:21:01 PM
Originally Posted By foursixty:
When was the last time you ever saw anything that had metal parts working against other metal parts that ran without oil NOT cause problems. That is just asinine to me. Of course it cause premature wear. You may run yours for a while like that...not saying you can't or it will fail immediately. But metal parts need oil. It's that simple. edited to add: It would be almost equivalent to drain the oil from your vehicle and drive everywhere. Just asking for it in my opinion. Agreed, I don't think anyone in their right mind would try to drive a vehicle at a consistent 100MPH for 30miles without oil, would like to see how that turns out but obvious what would happen. Same thing with moving metal parts in a FIREARM/LETHAL WEAPON/GUN with BULLETS that might malfunction and cause a boo boo. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:26:17 PM
I tried it with one of my rifles years ago. It worked ok, but it didn't function as well as it did wet. They just work better with oil. And I'm pretty certain you would see accelerated wear over time.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:36:27 PM
When I carried a pistol for a living alot of us carried our guns "dry". By that I mean it only had a light covering of oil. This kept crap from building up in it, seat lint from driving the car, etc....
We hit the range once a month and prior to shooting we lubed em up like normal. Before leaving, we cleaned em ready for carry, or dry if you will. Then fired a few rounds to check for functionality. I hunt with my guns "dry", but wouldn't think of hitting the range and shooting a good bit without adding more lube. Just me. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:36:42 PM
The analogy to a vehicle is a little off, as an engine operates tens of thousands of times a minute. A firearm MAY see 10-20k rounds, or firing cycles in its entire LIFE.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:41:15 PM
Well from my standpoint I shoot alot everything works better lubed especially AR15s.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:44:05 PM
Originally Posted By battlestick:
When I carried a pistol for a living alot of us carried our guns "dry". By that I mean it only had a light covering of oil. This kept crap from building up in it, seat lint from driving the car, etc.... We hit the range once a month and prior to shooting we lubed em up like normal. Before leaving, we cleaned em ready for carry, or dry if you will. Then fired a few rounds to check for functionality. I hunt with my guns "dry", but wouldn't think of hitting the range and shooting a good bit without adding more lube. Just me. I feel like there is an issue that needs resolving if you train with your weapons in a different condition than you would use it to defend your life. I'm a big believer in training replicating reality as much as possible, that's why I hate indoor gun ranges where you stand squared up in a lane and shoot a stationary target without thoughts of cover or movement. I'm not saying that your weapons are anything less than fully functional when carried "dry," but I would shoot them like this at the range, too. A few shots for function doesn't cut it, a couple hundred does. Just my thought. To the OP, a few drops of lube takes half a second, I'd just do it. The AR is a reliable platform and I'm sure yours works great, but it's so easy to add a few drops through the ejection port. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:45:45 PM
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 9:46:10 PM by sinlessorrow]
Originally Posted By Blain:
The analogy to a vehicle is a little off, as an engine operates tens of thousands of times a minute. A firearm MAY see 10-20k rounds, or firing cycles in its entire LIFE. really? yes the AR-15 needs lube, dont believe me? go check out Vietnam, or better yet go check out what happened to the people who didnt lube their rifles at the start of the war |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:47:23 PM
Originally Posted By foursixty:
When was the last time you ever saw anything that had metal parts working against other metal parts that ran without oil NOT cause problems. That is just asinine to me. Of course it cause premature wear. You may run yours for a while like that...not saying you can't or it will fail immediately. But metal parts need oil. It's that simple. edited to add: It would be almost equivalent to drain the oil from your vehicle and drive everywhere. Just asking for it in my opinion. +5 |
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Pain
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Posted: 5/6/2012 9:59:51 PM
Originally Posted By Blain:
Is that an issue? Causing any premature wear and tear on parts, or just increasing potential malfunctions? That's just dumb. Lightly oil it, because if you need it one day, you want it to cycle don't you? |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:17:56 PM
Is this guy f––king with us...I think he just asked this question to get a rise out of everyone. Read the instructions. Lube moving parts.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:27:21 PM
Mine is lubed just short of dripping w/ EWL 2000. 1000 rounds in a weekend down the bbl. I'd bet your life your unlubed AR woun't do that. This must be a leading question because someones bored or hasn't read anything. Ask Pat Rogers.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:30:32 PM
Originally Posted By natas66:
Is this guy f––king with us...I think he just asked this question to get a rise out of everyone. Read the instructions. Lube moving parts. to maybe steer this in a more productive direction, how much lube is really needed? I'm in the process of ordering my first ar and before this i had a mini-14, which i would clean, then lightly oil, and wipe down with an oil cloth. generally speaking, will that be enough for an ar? |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:33:01 PM
Originally Posted By derek58:
Originally Posted By natas66:
Is this guy f––king with us...I think he just asked this question to get a rise out of everyone. Read the instructions. Lube moving parts. to maybe steer this in a more productive direction, how much lube is really needed? I'm in the process of ordering my first ar and before this i had a mini-14, which i would clean, then lightly oil, and wipe down with an oil cloth. generally speaking, will that be enough for an ar? i put a good amount on mine, you cant overlube the AR after a few shots what is not needed gets slung off out the ejection port. for the AR i would def do more than just a wipe down with oil, i like mine to have 4 drop on the cam pin, 4 drops on the gas rings(through the gas vents) and 2 drops per bolt carrier rail |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:36:02 PM
Originally Posted By Blain:
The analogy to a vehicle is a little off, as an engine operates tens of thousands of times a minute. A firearm MAY see 10-20k rounds, or firing cycles in its entire LIFE. Not meant to be a perfect analogy. Meant to be as broad as possible so you could get a clue. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:37:39 PM
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By derek58:
Originally Posted By natas66:
Is this guy f––king with us...I think he just asked this question to get a rise out of everyone. Read the instructions. Lube moving parts. to maybe steer this in a more productive direction, how much lube is really needed? I'm in the process of ordering my first ar and before this i had a mini-14, which i would clean, then lightly oil, and wipe down with an oil cloth. generally speaking, will that be enough for an ar? i put a good amount on mine, you cant overlube the AR after a few shots what is not needed gets slung off out the ejection port. for the AR i would def do more than just a wipe down with oil, i like mine to have 4 drop on the cam pin, 4 drops on the gas rings(through the gas vents) and 2 drops per bolt carrier rail none of that expelled oil gunks up the trigger group at all? and do you do this before storage, before cleaning, or does it not really matter? |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:39:40 PM
Originally Posted By Blain:
Is that an issue? Causing any premature wear and tear on parts, or just increasing potential malfunctions? No, nothing wrong with what you are doing. No reason to ever lubricate metal parts that move against each other. Keep doing what you are doing...I'm sure it will be fine  |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:43:52 PM
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 10:46:22 PM by sinlessorrow]
Originally Posted By derek58:
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By derek58:
Originally Posted By natas66:
Is this guy f––king with us...I think he just asked this question to get a rise out of everyone. Read the instructions. Lube moving parts. to maybe steer this in a more productive direction, how much lube is really needed? I'm in the process of ordering my first ar and before this i had a mini-14, which i would clean, then lightly oil, and wipe down with an oil cloth. generally speaking, will that be enough for an ar? i put a good amount on mine, you cant overlube the AR after a few shots what is not needed gets slung off out the ejection port. for the AR i would def do more than just a wipe down with oil, i like mine to have 4 drop on the cam pin, 4 drops on the gas rings(through the gas vents) and 2 drops per bolt carrier rail none of that expelled oil gunks up the trigger group at all? and do you do this before storage, before cleaning, or does it not really matter? nope, never had my trigger group have issues. i do use a screw driver wrapped in a cloth to wipe down the trigger group but no issues. now for lubing, i put it on after cleaning for storage, and its viscous so its moves so when i head out for the day when i know ill be using the rifle i make sure to put fresh lube on the points i mentioned and close the dust cover, that will last me the day, then i clean it and relube for storage. also note my preferred lubrication is a mixture of 80% ATF and 20% Mobil 1 Synthetic 5W-30. this offers rust protection, detergents to break up debris and gunk, and a very high temp resistance(around 600*F) it is also by far the safest lubricant you can get with a 0-1-0 MSDS. ETA: i also put a few drops on the charging handle rails like every 5,000 rounds or so, it generally doesnt need anything but if it starts feeling gritty hit it with some lube. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:46:18 PM
Geeze, this is a little extreme folks. Does anyone have any factual data on how long the specific parts will last unlubed? More than likely, there is enough lube being left behind just from lightly cleaning it. Not all ar's need to be dunked into a barrel o' lube to function. However, that being said, i run mine pretty wet.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:46:57 PM
Originally Posted By floater33:
Geeze, this is a little extreme folks. Does anyone have any factual data on how long the specific parts will last unlubed? More than likely, there is enough lube being left behind just from lightly cleaning it. Not all ar's need to be dunked into a barrel o' lube to function. However, that being said, i run mine pretty wet. I wouldnt call 16 drops of lube dunked(how much i use in mine) |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:51:38 PM
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 10:53:30 PM by Pain]
Originally Posted By derek58:, how much lube is really needed?
Lightly oil everything. Several drops (moderate) on the bolt / rings and carrier. The gun will shake off what it doesn't need. The oil flushes the crap out of the way. Lube keeps it cycling. Cleaning is not needed if you keep it lubed. |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:52:23 PM
thanks for the info guys! I've heard slip 2000 is pretty decent, and easy to obtain, so I'll likely use that, and find the amount that works well for my uses. but as you said, I'll likely be running it pretty wet.
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Posted: 5/6/2012 10:59:20 PM
[Last Edit: 5/6/2012 11:00:37 PM by floater33]
Originally Posted By sinlessorrow:
Originally Posted By floater33:
Geeze, this is a little extreme folks. Does anyone have any factual data on how long the specific parts will last unlubed? More than likely, there is enough lube being left behind just from lightly cleaning it. Not all ar's need to be dunked into a barrel o' lube to function. However, that being said, i run mine pretty wet. I wouldnt call 16 drops of lube dunked(how much i use in mine) Agreed, my post wasnt meant for you specifically. I make sure all my rifles will cycle and lock back on empty mags even with low powered ammo, when dry. If they dont, i tinker with them. I just feel better about them knowing they will run that way(dry) if they dont, i personally, think something is wrong (undergassed, buffer too heavyetc etc) Edit- typing from my phone sucks |
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Posted: 5/6/2012 11:01:45 PM
Originally Posted By Pain:
Originally Posted By derek58:, how much lube is really needed?
Lightly oil everything. Several drops (moderate) on the bolt / rings and carrier. The gun will shake off what it doesn't need. The oil flushes the crap out of the way. Lube keeps it cycling. Cleaning is not needed if you keep it lubed. I also like to keep mine real clean, maybe that has a lot to do with it. |
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